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daisycutter

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/us/27gas.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

(Had to cut down the article to be able to submit, for the whole article click above.)

The Waste Problem

The gas has always been there, of course, trapped deep underground in countless tiny bubbles, like frozen spills of seltzer water between thin layers of shale rock. But drilling companies have only in recent years developed techniques to unlock the enormous reserves, thought to be enough to supply the country with gas for heating buildings, generating electricity and powering vehicles for up to a hundred years.

So energy companies are clamoring to drill. And they are getting rare support from their usual sparring partners. Environmentalists say using natural gas will help slow climate change because it burns more cleanly than coal and oil. Lawmakers hail the gas as a source of jobs. They also see it as a way to wean the United States from its dependency on other countries for oil.

But the relatively new drilling method — known as high-volume horizontal hydraulic fracturing, or hydrofracking — carries significant environmental risks. It involves injecting huge amounts of water, mixed with sand and chemicals, at high pressures to break up rock formations and release the gas.

With hydrofracking, a well can produce over a million gallons of wastewater that is often laced with highly corrosive salts, carcinogens like benzene and radioactive elements like radium, all of which can occur naturally thousands of feet underground. Other carcinogenic materials can be added to the wastewater by the chemicals used in the hydrofracking itself.

While the existence of the toxic wastes has been reported, thousands of internal documents obtained by The New York Times from the Environmental Protection Agency, state regulators and drillers show that the dangers to the environment and health are greater than previously understood.

The documents reveal that the wastewater, which is sometimes hauled to sewage plants not designed to treat it and then discharged into rivers that supply drinking water, contains radioactivity at levels higher than previously known, and far higher than the level that federal regulators say is safe for these treatment plants to handle.

Other documents and interviews show that many E.P.A. scientists are alarmed, warning that the drilling waste is a threat to drinking water in Pennsylvania. Their concern is based partly on a 2009 study, never made public, written by an E.P.A. consultant who concluded that some sewage treatment plants were incapable of removing certain drilling waste contaminants and were probably violating the law.

The Times also found never-reported studies by the E.P.A. and a confidential study by the drilling industry that all concluded that radioactivity in drilling waste cannot be fully diluted in rivers and other waterways.

But the E.P.A. has not intervened. In fact, federal and state regulators are allowing most sewage treatment plants that accept drilling waste not to test for radioactivity. And most drinking-water intake plants downstream from those sewage treatment plants in Pennsylvania, with the blessing of regulators, have not tested for radioactivity since before 2006, even though the drilling boom began in 2008.

In other words, there is no way of guaranteeing that the drinking water taken in by all these plants is safe.

That has experts worried.

“We’re burning the furniture to heat the house,” said John H. Quigley, who left last month as secretary of Pennsylvania’s Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. “In shifting away from coal and toward natural gas, we’re trying for cleaner air, but we’re producing massive amounts of toxic wastewater with salts and naturally occurring radioactive materials, and it’s not clear we have a plan for properly handling this waste.”

The risks are particularly severe in Pennsylvania, which has seen a sharp increase in drilling, with roughly 71,000 active gas wells, up from about 36,000 in 2000. The level of radioactivity in the wastewater has sometimes been hundreds or even thousands of times the maximum allowed by the federal standard for drinking water. While people clearly do not drink drilling wastewater, the reason to use the drinking-water standard for comparison is that there is no comprehensive federal standard for what constitutes safe levels of radioactivity in drilling wastewater.

Drillers trucked at least half of this waste to public sewage treatment plants in Pennsylvania in 2008 and 2009, according to state officials. Some of it has been sent to other states, including New York and West Virginia.

Yet sewage treatment plant operators say they are far less capable of removing radioactive contaminants than most other toxic substances. Indeed, most of these facilities cannot remove enough of the radioactive material to meet federal drinking-water standards before discharging the wastewater into rivers, sometimes just miles upstream from drinking-water intake plants.

In Pennsylvania, these treatment plants discharged waste into some of the state’s major river basins. Greater amounts of the wastewater went to the Monongahela River, which provides drinking water to more than 800,000 people in the western part of the state, including Pittsburgh, and to the Susquehanna River, which feeds into Chesapeake Bay and provides drinking water to more than six million people, including some in Harrisburg and Baltimore.

Lower amounts have been discharged into the Delaware River, which provides drinking water for more than 15 million people in Philadelphia and eastern Pennsylvania.


“Hydrofracking impacts associated with health problems as well as widespread air and water contamination have been reported in at least a dozen states,” said Walter Hang, president of Toxics Targeting, a business in Ithaca, N.Y., that compiles data on gas drilling.

While Pennsylvania is an extreme case, the risks posed by hydrofracking extend across the country.

There were more than 493,000 active natural-gas wells in the United States in 2009, almost double the number in 1990. Around 90 percent have used hydrofracking to get more gas flowing, according to the drilling industry.

Gas has seeped into underground drinking-water supplies in at least five states, including Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and West Virginia, and residents blamed natural-gas drilling.

Air pollution caused by natural-gas drilling is a growing threat, too. Wyoming, for example, failed in 2009 to meet federal standards for air quality for the first time in its history partly because of the fumes containing benzene and toluene from roughly 27,000 wells, the vast majority drilled in the past five years.

But hydrofracking technology has become more powerful and more widely used in recent years, producing far more wastewater. Some of the problems with this drilling, including its environmental impact and the challenge of disposing of waste, have been documented by ProPublica, The Associated Press and other news organizations, especially out West.

And recent incidents underscore the dangers. In late 2008, drilling and coal-mine waste released during a drought so overwhelmed the Monongahela that local officials advised people in the Pittsburgh area to drink bottled water. E.P.A. officials described the incident in an internal memorandum as “one of the largest failures in U.S. history to supply clean drinking water to the public.”

In Texas, which now has about 93,000 natural-gas wells, up from around 58,000 a dozen years ago, a hospital system in six counties with some of the heaviest drilling said in 2010 that it found a 25 percent asthma rate for young children, more than three times the state rate of about 7 percent.

“It’s ruining us,” said Kelly Gant, whose 14-year-old daughter and 11-year-old son have experienced severe asthma attacks, dizzy spells and headaches since a compressor station and a gas well were set up about two years ago near her house in Bartonville, Tex. The industry and state regulators have said it is not clear what role the gas industry has played in causing such problems, since the area has had high air pollution for a while.

But the hazards associated with natural-gas production and drilling are far less understood than those associated with other fossil fuels, and the regulations have not kept pace with the natural-gas industry’s expansion.

Pennsylvania, Ground Zero

Pennsylvania, which sits atop an enormous reserve called the Marcellus Shale, has been called the Saudi Arabia of natural gas.

This rock formation, roughly the size of Greece, lies more than a mile beneath the Appalachian landscape, from Virginia to the southern half of New York. It is believed to hold enough gas to supply the country’s energy needs for heat and electricity, at current consumption rates, for more than 15 years.

Drilling companies were issued roughly 3,300 Marcellus gas-well permits in Pennsylvania last year, up from just 117 in 2007.

This has brought thousands of jobs, five-figure windfalls for residents who lease their land to the drillers and revenue for a state that has struggled with budget deficits. It has also transformed the landscape of southwestern Pennsylvania and brought heavy burdens.

Drilling derricks tower over barns, lining rural roads like feed silos. Drilling sites bustle around the clock with workers, some in yellow hazardous material suits, and 18-wheelers haul equipment, water and waste along back roads.

The rigs announce their presence with the occasional boom and quiver of underground explosions. Smelling like raw sewage mixed with gasoline, drilling-waste pits, some as large as a football field, sit close to homes.

Anywhere from 10 percent to 40 percent of the water sent down the well during hydrofracking returns to the surface, carrying drilling chemicals, very high levels of salts and, at times, naturally occurring radioactive material.

While most states require drillers to dispose of this water in underground storage wells below impermeable rock layers, Pennsylvania has few such wells. It is the only state that has allowed drillers to discharge much of their waste through sewage treatment plants into rivers.

Regulators have theorized that passing drilling waste through the plants is safe because most toxic material will settle during the treatment process into a sludge that can be trucked to a landfill, and whatever toxic material remains in the wastewater will be diluted when mixed into rivers. But some plants were taking such large amounts of waste with high salt levels in 2008 that downstream utilities started complaining that the river water was eating away at their machines.
 

stoney

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I'm still waiting for the nuclear comeback. The number of jobs itwould create to build the plants, while promoting a highly educated work force to run them... Alas, it is but a pipe dream.
 
Debunked in part here.

It's a shame about the problems with the fracking* process (the real ones, not the ones made up by environmental wackos). It's one of those situations where the regulations haven't caught up with the technology. And the ability of the industry to self-regulate is, well...highly suspect.

*edit: by "fracking" I mean the new technology of horizontal high volume slickwater hydrofracking, not the kind that's been used successfully and safely for decades.
 
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dante

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Debunked in part here.

It's a shame about the problems with the fracking* process (the real ones, not the ones made up by environmental wackos). It's one of those situations where the regulations haven't caught up with the technology. And the ability of the industry to self-regulate is, well...highly suspect.

*edit: by "fracking" I mean the new technology of horizontal high volume slickwater hydrofracking, not the kind that's been used successfully and safely for decades.
Oh yeah, totally unbiased, reliable source there.......

"Joint Landowners Coalition of NY"
 
Oh yeah, totally unbiased, reliable source there.......

"Joint Landowners Coalition of NY"
Perhaps they're biased, but who better to protect the interests of landowners than the landowners themselves? Surely you're not implying that the coalition members whose lands may be drilled upon aren't concerned about the quality of their drinking water, among other things?

Gasland is shallow, dated, fraught with inaccuracies and misrepresentations, and based more upon emotion than reason. Colorado DNR 's take here.
 

kidwoo

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Perhaps they're biased, but who better to protect the interests of landowners than the landowners themselves? Surely you're not implying that the coalition members whose lands may be drilled upon aren't concerned about the quality of their drinking water, among other things?
I would definitley imply that they're more about the money than all those annoyances you just listed.

Dear Natural Gas Supporters Everywhere,

Please send this email and the attached file to all pro-gas supporters possible. This is an event that we need as many pro-gas supporters to spread the word about as possible:

Landowners Coalition Hosts Public Community Forum


“Marcellus Shale in Our Community: What’s in it for All of Us”

offered to property owners and interested citizens.


The Joint Landowners Coalition of New York (JLCNY) is sponsoring a public meeting, titled “Marcellus Shale in Our Community: What’s in it for All of Us?” to help educate property owners, business owners and others on what to expect when expanded natural gas exploration comes to the Southern Tier.

The coalition will lead a panel of experts who will discuss such topics as: community tax revenue; the phenomenon of natural gas migration; the realities of water usage and chemical ingredients; the SGEIS; and economic and employment projections.





Serioulsy......that sounds about as grass roots as a teabagger rally. I mean, you know.....maybe you've got a point beleiving a 'debunking' those guys would put out. I kind of doubt it though after cruising their website.

How do you feel about earthquakes in arkansas?
 

syadasti

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How you can post progaganda from oil and gas interests and at the same time call out Gasland, it makes you look like a fool.

Besides the realities of poorly regulated (there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to exempt the process from pollution regulation via the Energy Policy Act of 2005) extraction process :

http://wri.eas.cornell.edu/gas_wells_waste.html

Natural gas is also not clean as claimed by the industry either and there is no significant body of peer reviewed science to prove fracking safety.

David R. Atkinson Professor of Ecology & Environmental Biology said:
We urge caution in viewing natural gas as good fuel choice for the future. Using the best available science, we conclude that natural gas is no better than coal and may in fact be worse than coal in terms of its greenhouse gas footprint when evaluated over the time course of the next several decades. Note that both the National Academy of Sciences and the Council of Scientific Society Presidents have urged great caution before proceeding with the development of diffuse natural gas from shale formations using unconventional technology. See:

National Research Council (2009). Hidden Costs of Energy: Unpriced Consequences of Energy Production and Use. National Academy of Sciences Press

and

Letter to President Obama and senior administration officials, May 4, 2009, from the Council of Scientific Society Presidents. http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/howarth/CCSP letter on energy & environment.pdf
Its also a fact that in a 5 year period from 2005-2009 the industry injected over 32 million gallons of diesel fuel directly into the ground. Not only is that illegal even under the Halliburton Loophole, but its a proven toxic pollutant.
 
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I would definitley imply that they're more about the money than all those annoyances you just listed.
Although I am not a JLCNY member, I don't believe that to be the case - many of the landowners in rural, heavily taxed, and economically depressed upstate NY will get a nice payout, but not nearly enough to leave dinner on the table and just move away. They're going to stay, breathe the air, drink the water, and deal with heavy industrial traffic on their already crappy roads. The prevailing atmosphere at the meetings I've attended (different coalition) has been concern about protecting real property rights and figuring out how not to get butt raped by the oil companies.

How do you feel about earthquakes in arkansas?
If they're caused by fracking fluid disposal in deep injection wells, I don't like 'em. Otherwise I'm ambivalent. For the record, I personally don't think deep injection is a good solution to the disposal problem.

How you can post progaganda from oil and gas interests and at the same time call out Gasland, it makes you look like a fool.
Gasland is propaganda too, but with fewer facts mixed in. I figured I'd let the two sources mix it up and let the discerning reader make the call.

Besides the realities of poorly regulated (there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to exempt the process from pollution regulation via the Energy Policy Act of 2005) extraction process :

http://wri.eas.cornell.edu/gas_wells_waste.html
Agreed. To restate my earlier post, the regulation has been unable to keep pace with the new technology. New York State, where 75,000 gas wells have been in production since the 1800's, has the strictest drilling laws on the books of any state, yet currently has no shalegas or horizontal fracking specific regulation. To advocate anything other than a cautious, studied approach would be foolhardy.

Natural gas is also not clean as claimed by the industry either and there is no significant body of peer reviewed science to prove fracking safety.
NG is cleaner than oil, though, at least in terms of CO2 emissions, and I'm not aware of any other viable US domestic energy source that can power the 18 wheelers and fleet vehicles that account for nearly a third of our total oil use.

Uh yeah, oil companies are definitely not to be trusted. Regulation and enforcement is critical.
 

kidwoo

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If they're caused by fracking fluid disposal in deep injection wells, I don't like 'em. Otherwise I'm ambivalent. For the record, I personally don't think deep injection is a good solution to the disposal problem.

That's definitely the argument floating around right now.


Although I am not a JLCNY member, I don't believe that to be the case - many of the landowners in rural, heavily taxed, and economically depressed upstate NY will get a nice payout, but not nearly enough to leave dinner on the table and just move away. They're going to stay, breathe the air, drink the water, and deal with heavy industrial traffic on their already crappy roads. The prevailing atmosphere at the meetings I've attended (different coalition) has been concern about protecting real property rights and figuring out how not to get butt raped by the oil companies.
But I mean come on......private landowners selling off their soul based on shltty information from the interests after their assets wouldn't exactly be unheard of you know....

Hell I grew up around appalachia and this story just spells coal differently.

I haven't seen gasland, but I do know I wouldn't trust a rebuttal from that site.
 

syadasti

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Uh yeah, oil companies are definitely not to be trusted. Regulation and enforcement is critical.
Then don't post their BS propaganda - they have much more clear motive to distort than Josh Fox does in Gasland. Regulation was at the very least somewhat adequate if enforced until corrupt politicians like Cheney exempted fracking for no reason other than short-term profit at the expense of local communities.

The GOP at this very moment are trying to gut the EPA and related laws for the same reason. Businesses and politicians that don't take the true cost of doing business in to consideration, which includes safe operating practices, not only fail to help the economy but are also heinous criminals.
 
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dante

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Gasland is propaganda too, but with fewer facts mixed in. I figured I'd let the two sources mix it up and let the discerning reader make the call.
Welcome to the Foxnewsification of today's "news" cycle. Two idiots shouting talking points at each other, and the idiot on the other side of the tv set gets to decide who's less unbelievable than the other guy.
 
Folks can shout "bias" and "propaganda" all they'd like, but it's a lame defense. Just like Fox News, it's not going to take the discussion anywhere worthwhile. Anyone with a dog in the fight has some bias I guess, but everyone wants to stay warm in the winter, no? You guys all heat, cool, cook, and drive with energy from 100% renewable sources?

Across the spectrum, some folks just want to cash in. Some, like me, think it is desirable to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and dependence on foreign oil as best we can. And some want to live in a fantasy world where everyone is net zero but somehow maintain all their comforts and conveniences.

One of the biggest anti-fracking blatherers I know berated me because my full solar photovoltaic array is tied to the grid. I backfeed and get a check from the power company every month. He said I should go off the grid like him, because he's not dependent on anyone! and only needs to run his diesel generator 5-10 hours a week to keep his shed full of lead acid batteries charged.

This guy is full of ****. And so are oil companies who claim that fracking is totally safe as it currently operates. Somewhere in between is the best solution.

There is promise that emerging fracking technoligies, e.g. recycling of water, using closed loop systems to limit VOC offgassing, or using propane or other media rather than water to frack, will significantly mitigate the environmental impact of the process. Who is developing these technologies? The oil companies of course. Why? Because it makes economic sense for them to do so. We get energy, they get money, the planet takes less of a hit. I'd love to hear any other currently viable solutions.

Or y'all can continue to bash that first link I posted, whichever.
 

kidwoo

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Just as a general rule, I don't trust a god damn thing any oil company ever claims with regards to safety or pollution. Given I spent a whole lot of my youth in the gulf of mexico so I'm a little chapped currently.

So I also don't feel any affinity towards those same companies embarking on yet another extraction technique that is more than likely going to cause some long term damage to the ground we all live on. Just because the material they're getting out burns a little cleaner than the predecessors, that doesn't mean their general practices in the past of doing whatever it takes to beat the previous quarter's returns are excused or that there's any reason to believe they'll act more responsibly.

So yeah I'm just here to bitch since I don't have the bazillions of dollars to implement a full hydro, wind, tidal and solar infrastructure.
 

dante

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Gastro, I went to your link that "debunked" the movie. Here is what I saw:

1) Gasland Director to Save Us All From Dangers of Energy Independence (www.hotair.com)
2) The Soros propaganda machine and shale gas (www.americanthinker.com)
3) Is Josh Fox chicken? (self-written article)
4) ANGA Statement on the Announcement that Gasland has been Nominated for an Oscar (statement from Alliance Natural Gas Alliance VP)
5) WHAT INFLUENCERS ARE SAYING ABOUT GASLAND

Ok, the last one was about the ONLY one that actually had *any* reliable 3rd party information in it, and what there was was badly misconstrued. They only provided links to the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Committee, and the rest you had to go google to find what the *actual* article said. Like this:

jlcny said:
“Fox’s defence for any lack of rigour was that he wanted to start a debate, rather than have the last word. But that doesn’t absolve him of the responsibility to thoroughly check his claims.”

Source: Financial Times, “Gasland: A Review,” January 18, 2011.
Notice how there's no link to the FT article. Maybe that's because the article ends with:

Fox has made a compelling film which should be watched by anyone interested in energy policy – but he could have made one of the most important environmental films of our generation.
So please, if you have actual, credible 3rd party "refudiation" of the facts, by all means, please share them. Posting a link to jclny and claiming that site has *any* validity without additional information is pointless.
 

daisycutter

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/us/02gas.html?scp=4&sq=frack&st=cse


As natural gas started to climb sharply about 10 years ago, energy companies faced mounting criticism over an extraction process that involves pumping millions of gallons of water into the ground for each well and can leave significant amounts of hazardous contaminants in the water that comes back to the surface.
Drilling Down

Carl Orso checked the progress as he offloaded wastewater from a natural gas drilling site at Eureka Resources, a wastewater treatment facility, in Williamsport, Penn.

So, in a move hailed by industry as a major turning point, drilling companies started reusing and recycling the wastewater.

“Water recycling is a win-win,” one drilling company, Range Resources, says on its Web site. “It reduces fresh water demand and eliminates the need to dispose of the water.”

But the win-win comes with significant asterisks.

In Pennsylvania, for example, natural-gas companies recycled less than half of the wastewater they produced during the 18 months that ended in December, according to state records.

Nor has recycling eliminated environmental and health risks. Some methods can leave behind salts or sludge highly concentrated with radioactive material and other contaminants that can be dangerous to people and aquatic life if they get into waterways.

Some well operators are also selling their waste, rather than paying to dispose of it. Because it is so salty, they have found ready buyers in communities that spread it on roads for de-icing in the winter and for dust suppression in the summer. When ice melts or rain falls, the waste can run off roads and end up in the drinking supply.

Yet in Pennsylvania, where the number of drilling permits for gas wells has jumped markedly in the last several years, in part because the state sits on a large underground gas formation known as the Marcellus Shale, such waste remains exempt from federal and state oversight, even when turned into salts and spread on roads.

When Pennsylvania regulators tried to strengthen state oversight of how drilling wastewater is tracked, an industry coalition argued vehemently against it. Three of the top state officials at a meeting on the subject have since left the government — for the natural-gas industry.

One executive at a drilling wastewater recycling company said that for all the benefits of recycling, it was not a cure-all.

“No one wants to admit it, but at some point, even with reuse of this water, you have to confront the disposal question,” said Brent Halldorson, chief operating officer of Aqua-Pure/Fountain Quail Water Management, adding that the wastewater contains barium, strontium and radioactive elements that need to be removed.

Mr. Halldorson emphasized that he had not seen high radioactivity readings at the plant he operates in Williamsport, Pa. He said he firmly believed in the benefits of recycling — to reduce the waste produced and water used and to help promote a shift toward natural gas, which burns cleaner than coal for producing electricity. “But there still needs to be a candid discussion, and there needs to be accountability about where even the recycled wastewater is going,” he added.

More than 90 percent of well operators in Pennsylvania use this process, known as hydrofracking, to get wells to produce. It involves injecting water mixed with sand and chemicals at high pressures to break up rock formations and release the gas. Between 10 percent and 40 percent of the water injected into each well resurfaces in the first few weeks of the process.

Many states send their drilling waste to injection wells, for storage deep underground. But because of the geological formations in Pennsylvania, there are few injection wells, and other alternatives are expensive. So natural-gas well operators in the state have turned to recycling.

“The technical breakthroughs that have allowed us to lead the nation in water recycling are complemented by a carefully orchestrated water-management system, involving a combination of on-site and off-site treatment, depending on specific geography and economics,” said Kathryn Klaber, president of the M

State and company records show that in the year and a half that ended in December 2010, well operators reported recycling at least 320 million gallons. But at least 260 million gallons of wastewater were sent to plants that discharge their treated waste into rivers, out of a total of more than 680 million gallons of wastewater produced, according to state data posted Tuesday. Those 260 million gallons would fill more than 28,800 tanker trucks, a line of which would stretch from about New York City to Richmond, Va.

While the total amount of recycling in the state is nowhere near the 90 percent that the industry has been claiming over the past year, the practice has undoubtedly been on the rise in recent months. The amount reported recycled in the past six months is roughly 65 percent of the total produced, up from roughly 20 percent during the 12 months before that. At least 50 million additional gallons of wastewater is unaccounted for, according to state records.

The fate of more of the wastewater is unknown because of industry lobbying. In 2009, when regulators tried to strengthen oversight of the industry’s methods for disposing of its waste, the Marcellus Shale Coalition staunchly opposed the effort.

“There is no other industry in Pennsylvania that is required to have a manifest system for residual waste,” industry officials argued, according to notes from a meeting on March 11, 2009, with state regulators and officials from the governor’s office. Under the proposed system, a manifest would have been required so that each load of wastewater was tracked from the well to its disposal, to verify that it was not dumped at the side of the road.

After initially resisting, state officials agreed, adding that they would try to persuade the secretary of Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection to agree, according to the notes. In the end, the state’s proposed manifest system for tracking was not carried out.

Three of the top state officials in the meeting — K. Scott Roy, Barbara Sexton and J. Scott Roberts — have since left their posts for jobs in the natural-gas industry.

The tracking system that was put in place requires monthly or yearly reports to the state from well operators indicating where their waste was taken, but offers no way for the state to guarantee that the waste actually reached the disposal sites.

The challenges of tracking all of the industry’s drilling waste and disposing of it will not go away soon. At least 50,000 new Marcellus wells are supposed to be drilled in Pennsylvania over the next two decades, up from about 6,400 permitted now.

Wells also create waste that is not captured by recycling, because operators typically recycle only for the first several months after a well begins producing gas.

Though the amount of wastewater decreases over time, the wells can continue to ooze for decades after they have been hydrofracked. There are regulations, however, that govern how gas wells are plugged and abandoned.

“This is important because as the well ages, the fluids that come up from it become more toxic, and the state or companies are even less likely to be tracking it,” said Anthony Ingraffea, a drilling expert and professor of civil and environmental engineering at Cornell.

State regulators predict that the heaviest burdens are still to come.

“The waste that flows back slowly and continuously over the 20- to 30-year life of each gas well could produce 27 tons of salt per year,” Pennsylvania officials wrote in new rules adopted last August about salt levels in drilling wastewater being sent through sewage treatment plants. “Multiply this amount by tens of thousands of Marcellus gas wells,” they said, and the potential pollution effects are “tremendous.”

In an interview on Sunday, John Hanger, who in January stepped down as secretary of Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection, pointed to these rules as some of the strongest in the country and cited other accomplishments during his term, including increasing inspections of drilling industry trucks, more than doubling his department’s natural-gas staff and improving well design requirements.

The natural-gas industry uses a number of methods to recycle drilling waste.

Some drillers have used recycling equipment at the well site or trucked the water to a dedicated recycling facility. The wastewater is filtered, evaporated and then distilled, to be used again at the well. Other companies add fresh water to the wastewater, to dilute the salts and other contaminants, before pumping it back in the ground for more hydrofracking.

Any sludge that settles from these various processes is taken to landfills, which in Pennsylvania are equipped with radiation monitors, or is sent to injection disposal wells.

But drilling experts say that virtually all forms of recycling still result in liquid waste that can be more toxic than it was after the first use.

“The wastewater that comes up from the well will likely increase to some degree in many contaminants such as salts and possibly radium and other radionuclides with each new fracking, but the data is very limited on this issue so not much is known,” said Radisav Vidic, an environmental engineering professor and drilling expert at the University of Pittsburgh. “There needs to be more data on this.”

Industry officials said there was no reason for concern about radioactivity levels in wastewater.
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“All of our reports indicate that this industry operates within the same standards set forth and observed by all water consumers in Pennsylvania,” said Matt Pitzarella, a spokesman from Range Resources-Appalachia, a part of the Range Resources natural-gas company.
Drilling Down

Articles in this series examine the risks of natural-gas drilling and efforts to regulate this rapidly growing industry.


Some energy companies have found more profitable options for getting rid of their drilling wastewater.

In West Virginia, for example, environmental regulators and highway officials last year announced plans for the state to start paying around five cents per gallon for gas drilling wastewater known as brine, which tends to be extremely salty, to melt ice on roads.

They planned to buy about 1.2 million gallons of the wastewater at more than 120 sites around the state and to buy more as needed.

West Virginia’s water and waste management director, Scott Mandirola, has said that he recognized that some Marcellus waste may have radioactive contaminants and that some of the waste could find its way to the state’s waters.
could not post more of the article out of space.
 

BurlyShirley

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Let me see if I have this straight:

Companies are pumping random chemicals into the ground, and in the process potentially releasing many other chemicals, radioactive materials, etc. and don't want any government oversight.

Some people concerned about the environment/ground water/effluent want somebody to look into making sure this is safe, like the EPA for instance.

We have people here defending these corporations because someone made a documentary they didnt like?
 
We have people here defending these corporations because someone made a documentary they didnt like?
I see no posts in this thread that defend oil corporations.

Some posters do apparently think that because the JLCNY link contained material obviously distributed and/or heavily influenced by oil interests, that the JCLNY is a minion of the industry. I can see how that may appear to be the case. However, I have first hand knowledge that it's not. My neighbors and friends number among the coalition members, and by banding together to fight the oil companies, they have developed bulletproof leases and are currently bringing suit against at least three oil companies to protect themselves and their property.
 

BurlyShirley

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All I really care about is that anyone harvesting natural resources does so with sufficient oversight. This includes storage/disposal of waste, cleanups after done, mitigation, etc. That lobbyists have succeeded in excluding the EPAs influence or otherwise skirting proper treatment, testing, etc. shows there's more going on than they want to pay for. That means WE pay the price while they make more money. It's really that simple. Any group supportive of such exploits by these corporations is being at best short-sighted and selfish.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
Thank the FSM the wife and I decided not to buy land out east.
East of Colorado Springs, past a landfill, a motocross track, a shooting range and scattered farms, is Rob DeMasters’ retirement nest egg.

A few years ago, he and his wife bought a five-acre parcel with a house large enough for their family to spread out, enjoy the view of Pikes Peak and revel in the quiet country living.

His intent: work from home doing automotive restoration. Help raise the couple’s children. And, in about 25 years, sell the property and ride his motorcycle into old age.

DeMasters now thinks his plan is threatened.

His nest egg, it turns out, is in the middle of what could be Colorado’s next oil and gas bonanza.

Landowners are being courted by energy companies that want to drill on their land, and drilling rights on huge swaths of state land, nearly 75,000 acres in eastern El Paso County, have been leased since 2007, as industry speculators look for the next big “play.” A few years ago, leases sold for less than $2 an acre. The last sale, in February, fetched $81 an acre.

New and controversial drilling techniques have opened up areas once thought bereft of gas and oil, and companies are increasingly looking at the Niobrara Shale formation, which undercuts much of eastern Colorado and parts of Wyoming, Kansas and Nebraska.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/oil-113957-companies-paso.html#ixzz1FvzCYssA
There is some great reading over @ the last bastion of journalistic integrity, ProPublica, on the "issue" of HydroFracking. Including interesting tidbits like:
adding new details from previously undisclosed government documents about the amount of radioactive water produced by drilling.........
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At the request of Vice President Dick Cheney, Congress exempted gas drilling from federal regulation in 2005. Since then, industry officials have successfully lobbied against calls in Washington to change the law, calls that have intensified in recent months with new attention on the issue.
Well since there have been no problems with deepwater drilling, coal mining, and wall street, we can all rest easy knowing the the natural gas industry will police itself. :twitch:
 

syadasti

i heart mac
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You can down load it every week on itunes if you...............never mind.
Its not free on Amazon or iTunes. Its free this week directly from the website. Its public radio, so I don't see why it isn't always free like PRI or NPR broadcasts.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
Its not free on Amazon or iTunes. Its free this week directly from the website. Its public radio, so I don't see why it isn't always free like PRI or NPR broadcasts.
It is free if your downloading the current episode, if you want to get older episodes you have to pay a whopping $0.99.