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ridetoofast

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http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html

INDIANAPOLIS | Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

David said a person arrested following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court system.

The court's decision stems from a Vanderburgh County case in which police were called to investigate a husband and wife arguing outside their apartment.

When the couple went back inside their apartment, the husband told police they were not needed and blocked the doorway so they could not enter. When an officer entered anyway, the husband shoved the officer against a wall. A second officer then used a stun gun on the husband and arrested him.

Professor Ivan Bodensteiner, of Valparaiso University School of Law, said the court's decision is consistent with the idea of preventing violence.

"It's not surprising that they would say there's no right to beat the hell out of the officer," Bodensteiner said. "(The court is saying) we would rather opt on the side of saying if the police act wrongfully in entering your house your remedy is under law, to bring a civil action against the officer."

Justice Robert Rucker, a Gary native, and Justice Brent Dickson, a Hobart native, dissented from the ruling, saying the court's decision runs afoul of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally -- that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said. "I disagree."

Rucker and Dickson suggested if the court had limited its permission for police entry to domestic violence situations they would have supported the ruling.

But Dickson said, "The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is unwarranted and unnecessarily broad."

This is the second major Indiana Supreme Court ruling this week involving police entry into a home.

On Tuesday, the court said police serving a warrant may enter a home without knocking if officers decide circumstances justify it. Prior to that ruling, police serving a warrant would have to obtain a judge's permission to enter without knocking.
 

Silver

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Like it matters from a practical purpose.

If you try to prevent them from coming in using force, they will taser or shoot you. If you shoot at them, they will kill you. In both cases, they will lie on the stand after the fact.
 

ridetoofast

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Like it matters from a practical purpose.

If you try to prevent them from coming in using force, they will taser or shoot you. If you shoot at them, they will kill you. In both cases, they will lie on the stand after the fact.
i think the earth is going to stop rotating about its axis...i'm in agreement with silver.
 

MikeD

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Interesting about the facts on the original case...the entry could be considered exigent circumstances depending on the specifics, and even though the husband said don't come in, if they had cause to believe the wife might be in danger, they could legally enter at that time without a warrant. Especially as he's not the only adult with control over the premises.

I guess since the case is about unlawful entry, though, they determined that this was not exigent. (if they'd merely been bickering/yelling without threats or physical contact and both entered the house willingly after or during the argument.)

More interesting and worrisome to me is the second point that the police can decide when no-knock warrants are appropriate. THAT seems way out of line; clearly a case for judicial review as no-knock should be way out of the norm.

When I was doing law enforcement stuff, we NEVER went into a home to arrest if at all possible to avoid it. (as an investigator, pretty easy to do--as a cop reacting to situations, not so much.) Always get him at work or on the way to/from his car. Cars and homes are where people keep guns and other bad stuff, and angry family members/associates hang out in homes. Get a search warrant on the home if you need it (you'd need one anyway if you wanted any evidence from the house) and execute it after you've got him in custody (and he'll give you the key to avoid having his door busted in.)