[Sir_Crackien]

just to let everyone know that this fork feel awsome! its not too heavy, even with the steel stactions. i don't have an exact weight but by the feel their number of 7.2lbs seem right. the fork when you push donw on it feel like soo much more than 170mm of travel. i cant really comment on the in the woods riding yet, but i did get to ride some skinnies and some small 2-3' drops on it and it feel very solid!

i should be able to get a couple good rides on it in the coming weekend

i will report back with more info later

 

[thaflyinfatman]

Excellentè, those forks look like they'd poo all over heaps of high-end forks IMO. TPC+ damping, sherman-esque lowers and crowns, and CHEAP. How could you lose!

 

[Rik]

Exactly right. I had a friend query me about new DC forks on the market, when I reccomended them he said "but I don't want a cheap fork", my reply was "find a fork that compares to it for less than double the price"... he was stumped.
They may have steel stanchions, hence the "oh they're cheap and crap" stigma, but it doesn't appear to have blown out the weight too much, which really would be their only downfall.

 

[Sir_Crackien]

Rik just to let you know that kingpin is only .4 lbs heavier than the slider plus. it is alos still lighter than anything marzocchi has in their line-up

 

[skeletor]

what is retail for it? i was thinkin bout pickin one up...

 

[jackalope]

^^
'bout $450-$500

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product.aspx?i=FK605A27

 

[Sir_Crackien]

skeletor just to let you know if your headtube is more than 150mm w/headset you will need to get the large crown. for some reason they have that measurement all wrong

so far i love mine

 

[skeletor]

im pimpin da yeti as-x. anybody kno what the stack hieght for dat bad boy is wit stock stem and headset?

 

[sanjuro]

Excellentè, those forks look like they'd poo all over heaps of high-end forks IMO. TPC+ damping, sherman-esque lowers and crowns, and CHEAP. How could you lose!

Not to poo on anyone's deal, so far there is a 3-for-3 for problems with Stances, including the Kingpin: blown seals with 10psi more pressure in the air assist, a broken rebound screw (which we have waited for 4 weeks now), and just slop on one of the OEM forks. Not to mention the recall...

This is all on new forks, obviously since Stance is a 2005 release.

You see these forks on a thousand new models this year because they are cheaper than DJ's and Junior T's. The thing with cheap Marzocchi's is they are still made in Italy (except for MX Comp and the EXR I believe), and the only thing cheap about them is the damping cartridge. The springs, seals, and stancions are all hi-quality.

This whole problem with the "Budget Alternative" is that it is starting to affect my opinion with the better Manitou. I was going to get a Sherman, but if the entire Stance line is poo...

 

[Sir_Crackien]

sanjuro actually the reacall effected all the fork EXCEPT the kingpin. i have not blown my seals and i have been running mine at 40 psi(the max) since i got it about a month ago. since then i have put it though its paces a little, nothing too stupid let, but all that i have to say is that some people have to be doing something very wrong to get it to break so easly.

a broken rebound srcew!?!? what the hell the rebound adj is the same as the old shermans. those don't just break, it had to be smacked super hard or something.

 

[dhmtbj]

Care to test something out for me...ride with it in cold weather and let me know if the performance goes to hell like my stance static. Thanks.

 

[Mattoid]

In my opinion my static is mediocre. Way undersprung and the heavier springs arent available yet. The air cap leaks slowly. In cold weather the thing completley freezes, however i enjoy this because it keeps it from bottoming under pedalling motions (i weight 190). Stiffness is nice, looks are nice, travel is smooth, but the product is very rough around the edges. And i cant stand how it bottoms out with like 35mm of exposed stantion, thanks alot "tire clearance upgrade," this "upgrade merely removes 20mm of travel off the advertised stroke. For the small price i paid i really shouldnt complain... but... a marzocchi DJ would at least work well out of the box, and in this case there doesnt seem to be anything i can do as the springs arnt being produced yet ITs not a bad fork, its just not the holly grail of DJ/street/park forks.


On a side note, i pushed down on crackiens kingpin at vans the other night and it felt really nice.

 

[sanjuro]

sanjuro actually the reacall effected all the fork EXCEPT the kingpin. i have not blown my seals and i have been running mine at 40 psi(the max) since i got it about a month ago. since then i have put it though its paces a little, nothing too stupid let, but all that i have to say is that some people have to be doing something very wrong to get it to break so easly.

a broken rebound srcew!?!? what the hell the rebound adj is the same as the old shermans. those don't just break, it had to be smacked super hard or something.

True about the Kingpin not being recalled. Just most of the other Stance lineup.

I should have been more specific, it was a hollow bolt which holds the right leg onto the rest of the fork. The rebound adjuster goes into the hollow bolt (which is why it is hollow). If it breaks, you are dependent on the other bolt to keep your casting from separating from the rest of fork. If nothing at all, the fork feels like crap since the damping cartridge is what attaches to the hollow bolt.

I should point out the bolt is reversed threaded, and I cannot be sure if the mechanic broke it during disassembly if he turned it the wrong way, or was it broken beforehand. Similiar to the old Marzocchi QR20 bolts, it is a bad design, because it is delicate where it should be stout. I do not think I want flimsy bolt holding my fork together.

And you might think, "oh, his mechanic probably broke the bolt, it is his own fault". Well, you might be right about that, but the now 4 week delay on a replacement part does not bode well for the Stance. The fact that it either has special bolts not used by other forks or that Manitou does not keep inventory available means long downtimes later on.

 

[TheMontashu]

sanjuro actually the reacall effected all the fork EXCEPT the kingpin. i have not blown my seals and i have been running mine at 40 psi(the max) since i got it about a month ago. since then i have put it though its paces a little, nothing too stupid let, but all that i have to say is that some people have to be doing something very wrong to get it to break so easly.

a broken rebound srcew!?!? what the hell the rebound adj is the same as the old shermans. those don't just break, it had to be smacked super hard or something.

I have seen that fork with the blown seel and its true if you raise the pressure 10 PSI above the max the seel will pop out

 

[Sir_Crackien]

dhmtbj i have riddin this fork when it was just above freezing(it might have been ever a few degrees below) and the thing felt fine. one thing i will note fill the fork up in the temp that you will be riding in. the air assit seems a little fickel with the air temp. other than that i have had no complants. it gets its full 170mm of claimed travel. one other thing i will say is that the kingpin uses TPC+ were as the others use the fluidflow system. this is way the kingpin feels so much better!

 

[Sir_Crackien]

TheMontashu but why would you ever up 25% more air in the fork than you should! the same would happen to most any fork with that much extra air.

sanjuro that is wierd about that bolt on the fork breaking. answer uses that bolt on many of their fork. just to let you knon there is a guy in the tech department named tyler. i had an issue with the wrong crown being shipped and he solved the problem ASAP.

 

[TheMontashu]

TheMontashu but why would you ever up 25% more air in the fork than you should! the same would happen to most any fork with that much extra air.

I didn't know i put to much air in the fork, sh*t that news to me that i even touched the damn thing

 

[ThePriceSeliger]

the stantions are really close together... i dont think there is much tire leeway... the bighits with come with a 2.3 tire and its tight... it a parking lot test the bike seemed really skinny and unstable because the fork is so SMALL!!! but it might just be me but im used to boxxers and super t's.

 

[bballboy388]

speaking of freezing forks i was riding around on my judy the other day and its so crappy i didnt even notice it wasent working untill my friend pointed it out b4 that i thought it felt normal haha

 

[ohio]

the stantions are really close together... i dont think there is much tire leeway... the bighits with come with a 2.3 tire and its tight... it a parking lot test the bike seemed really skinny and unstable because the fork is so SMALL!!! but it might just be me but im used to boxxers and super t's.

Hahahahaaaaahahaa. Are you trying to imply that the width of your fork has an effect on stability?

Outrageous comment of the day award.

 

[ThePriceSeliger]

i guess its just me

 

[Sir_Crackien]

on my kingpin i'm running a 2.6 kenda kenetic and it fits just fine. the fork has as much if not more clearance than last years boxxer (i use to own one). the fork is also stiffer than that boxxer could have ever though of being. one thing i will say the stanctions are kinda close together. but that is a not issue because you never turn that much anyway. from my experiance not even on some tight tunrs on latters.

 

[sanjuro]

TheMontashu but why would you ever up 25% more air in the fork than you should! the same would happen to most any fork with that much extra air.

sanjuro that is wierd about that bolt on the fork breaking. answer uses that bolt on many of their fork. just to let you knon there is a guy in the tech department named tyler. i had an issue with the wrong crown being shipped and he solved the problem ASAP.

One time I accidentally pumped the Marathon positive spring to 140psi (where it is suppose to be 40psi). No problems though...

And as for the wait, unfortunately, I talked with Tyler about this 4 weeks ago...

 

[-dustin]

the lack of stiffer springs would bug me more than anything else. maybe it's just me, but it seems a company should be ready with those as soon as the fork is released.

 

[TheMontashu]

the lack of stiffer springs would bug me more than anything else. maybe it's just me, but it seems a company should be ready with those as soon as the fork is released.

Whats worse than that is a company that didn't finish disigning there stuff and has to recal it

 

[vwmtnbiker]

Whats worse than that is a company that didn't finish disigning there stuff and has to recal it

whats worse is the company that just DOESNT recall it at all...

as far as cold weather performance i have noticed that mine (kingpin) is quite slow and stiff for the first 15 to 20 min of use in below 35 degree temps...after she warms up tho look out! as far as stability and turning radius i havent noticed any drawbacks from my previous z1 FR setup...tomorrow i shall be hitting the 'shed with it tho so that will be the true test. all in all tho, i dare you to find a better value at this price...it is what it is...if you expect a $500 fork to perform the same as your 888 or shiver DC youre crazy. and as far as parts go i have already had to get some new pinch bolts, crappy allen key stripped one out during torquing process, but answer had some to me within 2 bus. days

 

[TheMontashu]

cambria has super Ts for 500 wat did I jest find a better fork for the same price

 

[Bicyclist]

You can get Jr. T's for CHEAP and they would feel better and be way more reliable, and they aren't very heavy, either.

 

[Rik]

SSV feeling better than TPC? Hrm...

 

[dropmachine]

the stantions are really close together... i dont think there is much tire leeway... the bighits with come with a 2.3 tire and its tight... it a parking lot test the bike seemed really skinny and unstable because the fork is so SMALL!!! but it might just be me but im used to boxxers and super t's.

Perhaps its a bit of a mindgame with them beign so skinny, but it definately doesn't affect how stable they are. Did the change the bikes geo at all?

 

[Mattoid]

the lack of stiffer springs would bug me more than anything else. maybe it's just me, but it seems a company should be ready with those as soon as the fork is released.

yup, especiually saying i ordered the fork in june, and was told id have it 3 weeks later. All the sudden its november and my fork finally comes (after about a million phone calls) and then i find out the fork cant be dialed in even after waiting...

 

[Sir_Crackien]

tcp+ is way better than SSV. also on the super-T remark a couple of people that i know have had their super-T break at the dropout. for what reason i have no clue but they broke in the same spot. also the super-t has not real 20mm alxe setup.

 

[TheMontashu]

tcp+ is way better than SSV. also on the super-T remark a couple of people that i know have had their super-T break at the dropout. for what reason i have no clue but they broke in the same spot. also the super-t has not real 20mm alxe setup.

If you ever tighten the bolts on the dropouts not the ones one the axle but the funny looking ones they WILL snap. How is the 20MM drop ours “not real” so the drop outs are “imaginary” there but I think you mean its not a 20mil through axel, I don’t think there has been a problem with it so long as you follow the instructions.

 

[Sir_Crackien]

i meant a true through axle. the bolt on the super-t didn't snap but the lowers did. on where the second flap(the one that accually touches the axle) connects to the fork.

 

[vwmtnbiker]

cambria has super Ts for 500 wat did I jest find a better fork for the same price

well ok thats fair enough....not what i paid for mine but fair enough

as for cold weather performance im quite dissapointed...today it was like i was riding a 7" rigid fork for quite a while, and when it did 'warm up' a little it still only got about 3" of travel and thats with NO air in the chamber. and the rebound knob was useless, no difference one extreme to the next, slow as hell answer will be gettin a call on monday...hopefully they have an answer for this