Why do you assume you're the only one contemplating it? Perhaps the rest of us have contemplated it, and decided, like we've all said, that having a nutjob pastor isn't grounds for determining a new or revised level of respect for someone. IMO, all pastors are nutjobs on some level. And almost all politicians claim to be of religious faith. Therefor I assume that all politicians have nutjobs for spiritual advisors. Obama is no different. Case closed.So nobody is going to take the time to contemplate the subject?
if you ask me, obama has exaggerated his devotion to religion because most dumbasses in this country think religious=moral. if i, for whatever reason, got into politics and eventually decided to make a bid for the presidency, i wouldn't have a chance of getting it. while i have no problem with people choosing to practice religion, i refrain from doing so because i think it's the cause of most problems in this world. too many people in this country have been so ****ed up by religion that they think those with different religions or none whatsoever aren't good people.Obama isn't anyone. McCain isn't anyone. These people want to be PotUS. Both of them have nutjob spiritual leaders.
Not all nutjobs have the same message. To ignore that message is to ignore a small part of a candidate's qualifications.Why do you assume you're the only one contemplating it? Perhaps the rest of us have contemplated it, and decided, like we've all said, that having a nutjob pastor isn't grounds for determining a new or revised level of respect for someone. IMO, all pastors are nutjobs on some level. And almost all politicians claim to be of religious faith. Therefor I assume that all politicians have nutjobs for spiritual advisors. Obama is no different. Case closed.
parsley's warcry isn't against muslim people, but the teachings of islam.Not all nutjobs have the same message. To ignore that message is to ignore a small part of a candidate's qualifications.
Big difference between McCain's advisor saying, "Kill all Muslims" -vs- "Gays shouldn't be allowed the right of marriage". Big difference.
comparing a pastor to a political advisor? with the exception of huckabee, that seems like apples and oranges to me.Not all nutjobs have the same message. To ignore that message is to ignore a small part of a candidate's qualifications.
Big difference between McCain's advisor saying, "Kill all Muslims" -vs- "Gays shouldn't be allowed the right of marriage". Big difference.
ffs, if you're not going to read the bible (or regularly attend church), at least read the mojones site, which accurately quoted parsely:Well, he said "God Damn America" big effing deal. I think we can already assume that Obama, in wanting to be president of it, doesnt actually hate it, and if he does, wants to make it better, and/or different. I didnt see anything particularly frightening there about killing Muslims like Mccains guy.
not quite the same as "pushing the jews into the sea", which is a popular sentiment by middle eastern arabs taken literally.I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.
It would definitely make them more interesting.What if McCain chose a Press Secretary who had tourettes?
but what about the assholes he's currently associated with?There are a lot of reasons I'm not qualified to run for president, but being associated with a bunch of assholes at various times during my life... that's really not disqualification criteria IMO.
I'm an independent that's on the fence, though leaning towards the dems mostly due to the christian right. The DNC continues to disappoint me and how they deal with the infighting will decide where my vote falls as of right now.last fall, i thought the gop was losing this election no matter what, now it seems that McCain cant help but win..
You should vote for your favorite this election, even if it's Ralph Nader or something.I'm an independent that's on the fence, though leaning towards...
I'm very much voting against invading Iran.You should vote for your favorite this election, even if it's Ralph Nader or something.
It's not like one of these three idiots is GWB, so you don't have to vote against this time around.
I'm not interested in 'sending a message', I want to get the person I think will be best 'right now' into office.You should vote for your favorite this election, even if it's Ralph Nader or something.
It's not like one of these three idiots is GWB, so you don't have to vote against this time around.
smart!I'm not interested in 'sending a message', I want to get the person I think will be best 'right now' into office.
I agree 100%, but I don't think McCain will be able to invade Iran in his first term between the lack of resources and lack of citizen support.I'm very much voting against invading Iran.
So, as an independent, you will never ever vote independent?I'm not interested in 'sending a message', I want to get the person I think will be best 'right now' into office.
The label itself is meaningless to me, it's all about content for me. I'm a political free agent.So, as an independent, you will never ever vote independent?
Right, but I'm just curious... you never have nor ever will vote 3rd party?The label itself is meaningless to me, it's all about content for me. I'm a political free agent.
I've voted third party before in local/state elections.Right, but I'm just curious... you never have nor ever will vote 3rd party?
then howsa bout these, which even have video to boot:Ooh, Fox News. Fair and balanced!
I just don't feel his pastor is crazy. He speaks his mind, but he's not nearly as bad (at least to me) as some or most TV evangelicals.then howsa bout these, which even have video to boot:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/13/jeremiah-wright-obamas-_n_91312.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/14/7476/75513/562/476405
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x105156
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/3
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/about-those-sermons/?st=cse&sq=jeremiah+wright&scp=2
and of course, the rest of the MSM (CNN, AP, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, Chicago Tribune, Washpost, yadda, yadda) has them as well.
I'll refer back to this quote:then howsa bout these, which even have video to boot:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/13/jeremiah-wright-obamas-_n_91312.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/14/7476/75513/562/476405
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x105156
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/3
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/about-those-sermons/?st=cse&sq=jeremiah+wright&scp=2
and of course, the rest of the MSM (CNN, AP, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, Chicago Tribune, Washpost, yadda, yadda) has them as well.
It's sad that campaigning has degraded to people researching each candidates' acquaintances, and looking for dirt on them. It's like "Well, we failed miserably at assailing Obama's character. Bring me a list of everyone he has talked to in the last 20 years!".
Me too.the unfortunate part is that so many are older/retired folks who sit in front of their email all day swapping these stupid chain emails. how do i know? i'm related to some of them.
unless a middle eastern country, not just terrorists from the middle east, attacks us. i have a feeling we won't invade any countries there again.I agree 100%, but I don't think McCain will be able to invade Iran in his first term between the lack of resources and lack of citizen support.
when has lack of citizen support stopped us in the past?I agree 100%, but I don't think McCain will be able to invade Iran in his first term between the lack of resources and lack of citizen support.
I sit next to one at work. We used to kind of be friends but every political conversation we have usually ends up with me calling him a ****ing moron. I don't have much of a problem with people having different opinions but he constantly gets super worked up over things he reads in easily dismissed chain emails. This country is screwed.an older family friend who lives in an assisted living joint ($$$) in NoVa ($$$) talks about how during election season, the busses pull up to take them to polling places ($$$).
funny, never seems to happen in the 'hood
million* man march??when has lack of citizen support stopped us in the past?
having racist maternal g-parents (since deceased), i can easily empathize with your p.o.v., but i wasn't influenced by them, and i'm not running for high office.The guys (Pastor) probably just like that crazy uncle you have that you drink beers with and fish along the banks of the river with. He can go on all night about how the world sucks, how he's a racist and how he hates cats. You can listen to his bull**** all night and chuckle even when you know your not a racist or hate cats because there is some good about'um too, and hope some day you can spark a chance for change in his evil thoughts. So you finish the case of beer and you drive home the next day. No big deal. See you next Sunday.
obama now has to do what he does best: tell us all: "don't worry; be hopeful". it may mean he has to ditch this guy, or just ignore what people say. at this stage of the game, i think most people's minds are made up. for the one or two voters he may lose over this issue, his devotees will dig in harder & campaign to get them replaced, plus a few more.