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I.S.C.G. mounts different standard spacing for '05

TWISTED

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Have any of you heard about the new chain guide mount standard that is spaced a few millimeters larger?

This was new to me, when checking out an Iron Horse Sunday frame I thought there was a mistake because neither an e-13 or MRP iscg mount would fit.

Did I miss when this was talked about?
 
-dustin

-dustin

boring
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hmm...i thought it was predominantly for bmx bbs. guess i'll read up about it afterwhile.

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hm, well the site gives some info, but tech stuff, rather than supporting companies. no mention of it on IH's site, either.
 
Salami

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TWISTED said:
This was new to me, when checking out an Iron Horse Sunday frame I thought there was a mistake because neither an e-13 or MRP iscg mount would fit.
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The Sunday has the new chain guide mount? Or are you saying the ISCG adaptor won't fit?

This will suck ass if I have to buy a new boomerang.
 
The Kadvang

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I got the impression that one of the reasons for the new spacing was to avoid troubles with the new crop of external bearing BBs like Saint and Diaboulous, along with allowing full chainguide compatability for bikes with BMX BBs.
 
punkassean

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:rolleyes:

here we go again....

I understand that things are getting refined each year but I'm sick of the term "standard" being applied so loosely.

I hope my new Enduro has the old ISCG tabs so it works with my e.13...
 
TWISTED

TWISTED

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Yeah, all new. Maybe the new iscg '05 should be called by another name that does not include "iscg".

I guess it was a good idea that I started this thread.
 
Acadian

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first, maybe bike manufacturers should start applying the right standards. How many bikes out there claimed to have ISCG tabs, yet they were not to spec?
 
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Acadian said:
first, maybe bike manufacturers should start applying the right standards. How many bikes out there claimed to have ISCG tabs, yet they were not to spec?
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This was one of the main reasons for creation of a new/ revised standard.

The creation of ISCG05 was a collaboration industry-wide, with almost all of the companies involved in the DH and freeride markets having input. The standard itself has been finalized since April of 2003, and test guides have been built by several manufacturers. The Iron Horse MadCatz program raced on ISCG05 in 2004 for the entire season on their Sunday frames.

The companies involved included e.thirteen, Truvativ, Race Face, Shimano, Cannondale, Banshee, Iron Horse, Mountainspeed and many others.

There was a large open-forum meeting at Interbike 2003, where members of the cycling community gathered and discussed this new standard. For 2006, you will see a transiton by the frame and component manufacturers to ISCG05.

I have to run, ill type more later
 
John P.

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Acadian said:
first, maybe bike manufacturers should start applying the right standards. How many bikes out there claimed to have ISCG tabs, yet they were not to spec?
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One of the biggest problems is that the current standard is so ill-defined. Believe me, I wanted to switch everything over about as much as all of you (it's an inventory control nightmare), but the fact of the matter is that the current standard just doesn't work well.

As Dave mentioned, this isn't just one company force-feeding something for the hell of it. This was an entire segment of the bike industry sitting down and saying, "Alright, we've got a problem here, and we all need to work together to fix it to make better performing products."

Like any other necessary growing process, there are going to be bumps in the road during the transitional period, but in the end, the consumer is going to benefit with products that simply work better.

More to come on this.

John P.
 
punkassean

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John,

We know, it's just hard to swallow that your new $2,000+ 2005 frame will be obsolete soon or kind of already is...

Please don't think we don't appreciate the goal the industry is working towards (with the input of good companies like yours) of having true functional "standards". :)

I'm glad that my DRS will fit my new '05 frame and I guess that all that matters...
 
-dustin

-dustin

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John P. said:
Like any other necessary growing process, there are going to be bumps in the road during the transitional period, but in the end, the consumer is going to benefit with products that simply work better.
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there's an end? is the end near?

 
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dw

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The 2005's should be fine I'd think...
It is the 2004's and earlier that won't.
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They will all be fine for years to come. For 05, only a couple of companies will use the ISCG05, but for 06, most are planning to.

More to come later

Dave
 
leprechaun

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Hey i learned something on the monkey today(dances around the office)
There may be a way to re drill the holes on some boomerangs(?).
Funny the site doesn't show the specs.
 
Salami

Salami

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Well, I got the new boomerang today. The ISCG-05 SRS is on the left. The one on the right is from older Evil STS.




Now I just need the frame to hang it and the other parts on. :oink:
 
Jimmy_Pop

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i'll also add, it would be nice if these frame makers would design their frames around a particular crank/guide/BB combo and engineer all the kinks out it so atleast there is an initial combo/setup that works and is proven. No spacers, washers, grinding ETC. that's so ghetto and you should expect more from these $2000+ frames

Choosing to run another crank/BB/guide combos to be a modify as necessary ordeal.
 
TWISTED

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Jimmy_Pop said:
i'll also add, it would be nice if these frame makers would design their frames around a particular crank/guide/BB combo and engineer all the kinks out it so atleast there is an initial combo/setup that works and is proven. No spacers, washers, grinding ETC. that's so ghetto and you should expect more from these $2000+ frames

Choosing to run another crank/BB/guide combos to be a modify as necessary ordeal.
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Wouldn't it be nice if someone who designs and markets chainguides also designed a nice downhill frame? And it would really be swell if the same guy also was well informed about the new ISCG '05 standard. ;)
 
Buck Fever

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the links have been broken for quite some time. I inquired about this a few weeks ago on another forum. They were supposed to have been updated by now, but....
 
flymybike

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TWISTED said:
Wouldn't it be nice if someone who designs and markets chainguides also designed a nice downhill frame? And it would really be swell if the same guy also was well informed about the new ISCG '05 standard. ;)
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I designed the new MRP Sytem 3 and I design the Canfield Brothers Downhill Bikes. Yes I made sure that it fit without any modification. The Saint Crank set is more or less the standard and it will bolt up , no spacers, grinding etc.

However Dave, you said that Mountainspeed (MRP) was involved in the 05 standard. This is not true Dave. I would appreciate you sending me a e-mail with the 05 specs please. I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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flymybike said:
I designed the new MRP Sytem 3 and I design the Canfield Brothers Downhill Bikes. Yes I made sure that it fit without any modification. The Saint Crank set is more or less the standard and it will bolt up , no spacers, grinding etc.

However Dave, you said that Mountainspeed (MRP) was involved in the 05 standard. This is not true Dave. I would appreciate you sending me a e-mail with the 05 specs please. I would greatly appreciate it.
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Well thats odd that you are out of the loop Lance, but before Mountainspeed was sold to Eko, Josh Paris was quite involved in the standard. In addition, Josh and Tim from Eko sat down in a meeting with me personally AT the Ekosport booth at Interbike 2003 to discuss this very standard. We not only discussed and agreed upon the need for and advantages of a new standard, but also strategized about key implementation timelines.

Josh and Tim both went home with full ISCG05 drawing packages as well as CDs containing all drawings.

I believe that this was done before your time there?

Anyways, feel free to contact me anytime to discuss.

Dave
 
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TWISTED said:
Wouldn't it be nice if someone who designs and markets chainguides also designed a nice downhill frame? And it would really be swell if the same guy also was well informed about the new ISCG '05 standard. ;)
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You caught that I was talking about DW's e13 SRS and desiging of the Sunday, didn't you?

Dave I got a new digital camera (hint hint).
 
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dw

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TWISTED said:
Dave I got a new digital camera (hint hint).
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Believe me, I heard! why dont you put that thing to use and hook a brother up! You know my e-mail address...
 
Fury

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... so are there still ISCG boomerangs floating around for my '05, non ISCG-05 equipped frame?

It's gonna sound like I'm making a Starbucks order when I call my shop:

"I'll take an E13 SRS 104bolt 40tooth max ISCG mount chain guide... and please make sure it's ISCG and not ISCG05."
 
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dw

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Yes, the ISCG and ISCG05 will both be available, and there are seperate part numbers so there will be as little confusion as possible. If you ever do get an SRS with an ISCG back plateand you need an ISCG05 or vise versa, if the product is unused, we will switch it out. ISCG05 back plates are also available as a seperate item.

Dave
 
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