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MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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From my idiot right wing in-laws....

BUSH: GRAND STRATEGIST?

By Tony Blankley



The Boston Globe -- the respected, liberal newspaper owned by the New York Times -- ran an article last week that Bush critics may wish to read carefully. It is a report on a new book that argues that President Bush has developed and is ably implementing only the third American grand strategy in our history. The author of this book, “Surprise, Security, and the American Experience” (Harvard Press) to be released in March, is John Lewis Gaddis, the Robert A. Lovett professor of military and naval history at Yale University.



The Boston Globe describes Mr. Gaddis as "the dean of Cold War studies and one of the nation's most eminent diplomatic historians." In other words, this is not some put-up job by an obscure right-wing author. This comes from the pinnacle of the liberal Ivy League academic establishment. If you hate George W. Bush, you will hate this Boston Globe story because it makes a strong case that Mr Bush stands in a select category with presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and James Monroe (as guided by his secretary of state, John Q. Adams) in implementing one of only three grand strategies of American foreign policy in our two-century history.



As the Globe article describes in an interview with Mr. Gaddis: "Grand strategy is the blueprint from which policy follows. It envisions a country's mission, defines its interests, and sets its priorities. Part of grand strategy's grandeur lies in its durability: A single grand strategy can shape decades, even centuries of policy."



According to this analysis, the first grand strategy by Monroe/Adams followed the British invasion of Washington and the burning of the White House in 1814. They responded to that threat by developing a policy of gaining future security through territorial expansion -- filling power vacuums with American pioneers before hostile powers could get in. That strategy lasted throughout the 19th and the early 20th centuries, and accounts for our continental size and historic security.



FDR's plans for the post-World War II period were the second grand strategy and gained American security by establishing free markets and self-determination in Europe as a safeguard against future European wars, while creating the United Nations and related agencies to help us manage the rest of the world and contain the Soviets. The end of the Cold War changed that and led, according to Mr. Gaddis, to President Clinton's assumption that a new grand strategy was not needed because globalization and democratization were inevitable. "Clinton said as much at one point. I think that was shallow. I think they were asleep at the switch," Mr. Gaddis observed.



That brings the professor to George W. Bush, who he describes as undergoing "one of the most surprising transformations of an underrated national leader since Prince Hal became Henry V. " Clearly, Mr. Gaddis has not been a long-time admirer of Mr. Bush. But he is now.



He observes that Mr. Bush "undertook a decisive and courageous reassessment of American grand strategy following the shock of the 9/11 attacks. At his doctrine's center, Bush placed the democratization of the Middle East and the urgent need to prevent terrorists and rogue states from getting nuclear weapons. Bush also boldly rejected the constraints of an outmoded international system that was really nothing more than a snapshot of the configuration of power that existed in 1945. "



It is worth noting that John Kerry and the other Democrats' central criticism of Mr. Bush -- the prosaic argument that he should have taken no action without UN approval -- is rejected by Mr. Gaddis as being a proposed policy that would be constrained by an "outmoded international system."



In assessing Mr. Bush's progress to date, the Boston Globe quotes Mr. Gaddis: "So far the military action in Iraq has produced a modest improvement in American and global economic conditions; an intensified dialogue within the Arab world about political reform; a withdrawal of American forces from Saudi Arabia; and an increasing nervousness on the part of the Syrian and Iranian governments as they contemplated the consequences of being surrounded by American clients or surrogates. The United States has emerged as a more powerful and purposeful actor within the international system than it had been on September 11, 2001."



In another recent article, written before the Iraqi war, Mr. Gaddis wrote: "[Bush's] grand strategy is actually looking toward the culmination of the Wilsonian project of a world safe for Democracy, even in the Middle East. And this long-term dimension of it, it seems to me, goes beyond what we've seen in the thinking of more recent administrations. It is more characteristic of the kind of thinking, say, that the Truman administration was doing at the beginning of the Cold War."



Is Mr. Bush becoming an historic world leader in the same category as FDR, as the eminent Ivy League professor argues? Or is he just a lying nitwit, as the eminent former Democratic Party Chairman and Clinton fund-raiser Terry McAuliffe argues?
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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umm, and?

It is a grand strategy. It was conceived years before he took office and has been carried out pretty darn well.
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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it's ironic you people think bush is dum.

and then this story rains on your wedding.
 
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luelling

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I have read some articles that state Al Qaeda was losing support and not doing well and that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq helped boost their numbers and give them more international credit. If that was true then this grand scheme has helped the terrorists. I'll look later for the article.

I do say history will judge him....who knows I may eat my words ten years down the road (I don't like Bush)
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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I have read some articles that state Al Qaeda was losing support and not doing well and that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq helped boost their numbers and give them more international credit. If that was true then this grand scheme has helped the terrorists.
by 'grand scheme has helped the terrorists', do you mean going after bin laden & his ilk?

if so, then would you suggest going after him was a mistake b/c success (capture/kill) was not guaranteed?

and if resisting terrorism creates terrorists, what shall the response to terrorism be? understand them so that we may appease them?
 

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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I have read some articles that state Al Qaeda was losing support and not doing well and that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq helped boost their numbers and give them more international credit. If that was true then this grand scheme has helped the terrorists. I'll look later for the article.

I do say history will judge him....who knows I may eat my words ten years down the road (I don't like Bush)
The government always needs a threat that they are protecting us from, its how they get all the gullible sheep (i.e. Americans) to keep their eyes off of what the government is really doing...
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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The government always needs a threat that they are protecting us from, its how they get all the gullible sheep (i.e. Americans) to keep their eyes off of what the government is really doing...
like global warming?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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it's ironic you people think bush is dum.

and then this story rains on your wedding.
He is. He's a ****ing moron.

Having a strategy (grand or otherwise) doesn't make you smart. It DOES mean you have vision, and I don't think anyone would argue that Bush doesn't have vision. But neither of those is an inherent value judgement of intelligence or moral correctness (or relationship to reality).

There are some incredibly stupid strategies and there are some incredibly evil strategies. I haven't yet decided which one Bush's is, but I'm leaning towards stupid.
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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There are some incredibly stupid strategies and there are some incredibly evil strategies. I haven't yet decided which one Bush's is, but I'm leaning towards stupid.
in your own words, how would you best describe your understanding of the bush strategery?
 

-BB-

I broke all the rules, but somehow still became mo
Sep 6, 2001
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I do not doubt that he is implementing some "Grand Strategy" at all.
I just think his strategy is flawed. ;)

I can implement a anti-Veggie diet if I want. Doesn't mean I'm going to be healthy!!
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Considering how GRAND his strategy is, I would argue that it's going very well and is not stupid in the least.

I don't know if I agree with expanding the empire and installing a large military presence in enemy territory, but overall, it's going pretty well.
 

Zark

Hey little girl, do you want some candy?
Oct 18, 2001
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Reno 911
in your own words, how would you best describe your understanding of the bush strategery?

I'll take a stab:

Rove:
Lets use the politics of fear to make our corporate friends filthy rich and the sheeple more easily controlled.

Bush:
Uhh..... ok you seen my Etch a Sketch?
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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I'll take a stab:

Rove:
Lets use the politics of fear to make our corporate friends filthy rich and the sheeple more easily controlled.

Bush:
Uhh..... ok you seen my Etch a Sketch?
umm, just for the record, when people mention "Bush", that's really just synonamous with "Administration".

No one really thinks Bush is the genius mastermind behind the plan.
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
in Bush's own words, how would you best describe your understanding of the bush strategery?
Carl says let's create a culture of fear so that we can increase executive power tenfold, push our own political and social interests and reduce the seperation of the church and state. If I do what he says, he promises I will feel like less of a coke addict, alcoholic C level college student who shirks my responsibilities to the American Public who elected me at every turn!
 
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luelling

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by 'grand scheme has helped the terrorists', do you mean going after bin laden & his ilk?

if so, then would you suggest going after him was a mistake b/c success (capture/kill) was not guaranteed?

and if resisting terrorism creates terrorists, what shall the response to terrorism be? understand them so that we may appease them?
I was referring to his foreign policy towards all of the middle east (spread democracy wide and far and promote a more western style society or at least western friendly).

I think going after Bin Laden and invading Afghanistan was the right move. We could have put more people on the ground there, helped build a country and shown the muslims over there that we can help and that there are benefits to working with us.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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in your own words, how would you best describe your understanding of the bush strategery?
It's easier to describe his vision, because I think that's more coherent than his strategy and is clearly what drives his strategic decisions.

His vision is of Judeo-Christian unified and democratic world. It is without a doubt a grand vision. It is born of a belief that once people get a taste of his world, they will throw off the shackles of the one they currently know. And that same belief drives strategies that expect a tipping point that just won't come.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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It is born of a belief that once people get a taste of his world, they will throw off the shackles of the one they currently know.
If I was born into a world where I had a safety net so thick that tons of coke and booze and stupidity couldn't slow down my guaranteed success in life, I'd probably think the same way Bush does. There is nothing like a man who has the world handed to him and is convinced that he hauled himself up by his bootstraps...
 
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luelling

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...he hauled himself up by his bootstraps...
Thats comical!! I know your saying he thinks he did this, and I think your right, but it amazes me that someone given that kind of privileged up brining would think that. Hell if I was him, I would be the male Paris Hilton!! Famous for being famous, lots of random sex, booze, drugs, late night videos to brag about, it would be awesome. Why couldn't I be born a Bush, I have much to add to the family legacy
 
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luelling

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It is born of a belief that once people get a taste of his world, they will throw off the shackles of the one they currently know. And that same belief drives strategies that expect a tipping point that just won't come.
I totally agree. I think what he fails to see is that a lot of these people don't want the shackles off. I guess I would equate it to telling Christians to stop going to church. Most people over there want to live in a strict Muslim society in accordance with Allah. This will ensure their place in heaven. This is a guestimate on my part, but why else would the Taliban and the terrorist/militia organizations have such an easy time recruiting?
 

sanjuro

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As the Globe article describes in an interview with Mr. Gaddis: "Grand strategy is the blueprint from which policy follows. It envisions a country's mission, defines its interests, and sets its priorities. Part of grand strategy's grandeur lies in its durability: A single grand strategy can shape decades, even centuries of policy."
In some ways, Bush's strategy will shape US policy for decades to come. In that regard, it can be compared to Monroe, Roosevelt, JFK, Reagan...

However, I think this war has polarized the world against us, and decades to come, our status as a world power will be reduced.
 

Honus

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Oh there's a plan- it's called Manifest Destiny. And Bush is only one player in this game......

If Bush had a brain he'd take it out and play with it. Comparing Bush to FDR is ludicrous. During World War II, FDR said, "I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster".

Just follow the money folks.....
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro

Ever read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"? Much of the author's personal story reads like fiction but the events that we know did take place are pretty disturbing to say the least. Lots of good stuff about companies like Bechtel, Halliburton, United Fruit, etc.
 

Secret Squirrel

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Dec 21, 2004
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[snip]...and if resisting terrorism creates terrorists, what shall the response to terrorism be? understand them so that we may appease them?
Appeasing and understanding do not have to go hand in hand. Understanding one's culture is the best way to go about peacefully ending conflicts. One of the problems I see with Bush is exactly what Ohio posted:
ohio said:
His vision is of Judeo-Christian unified and democratic world. It is without a doubt a grand vision. It is born of a belief that once people get a taste of his world, they will throw off the shackles of the one they currently know. And that same belief drives strategies that expect a tipping point that just won't come.
It's delusional to think that you're way is best and that's that. If the administration had taken the time to learn about other cultures and build on that, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.

You can spread all the democracy you want, but it ain't gonna fix the underlying, seething resentment that was created while instilling all the "good stuff".

Resisting terrorism can be done without invading soverign nations and willfully imprisioning "enemy combatants" without trials, etc. That is what creates more terrorists...When death is a better option than perceived life, you have a problem.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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I totally agree. I think what he fails to see is that a lot of these people don't want the shackles off.
I actually disagree. I think there is a VERY significant portion of the population that DOES want the shackles off. Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan have all at times been very secular and progressive (or at least portions of the the population have been)... But a taste of Bush's world isn't the catalyst that will help them regain that. Bush is driven by his vision and not by pragmatism or any cultural or historical context. His strategies have strengthened the arguments of the extremist and conservative factions, and thus bolstered their numbers and their resolve. Moderates in these nations have lost their voice thanks to Bush, and at this stage I don't know what it will take for them to get it back.