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Pesqueeb

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Ernie Ball Folk Nylon acoustic guitar plain strings are made of a solid nylon clear filament. Nylon produces rich pure treble tones with percussive attack. Ernie Ball folk nylon wound strings are made of 80/20 bronze wrapped around a multifilament nylon core.

I'm not familiar with this style of string but it looks like it does exist with bronze wrapped low strings, which still have a nylon core. This may be what's on your guitar now.

The issue is beyond fit. The string tension will be too high with a full steel set, so your guitar's neck will bend like mine, and eventually crack. That design is intended for the lower tension.
Is it possible to tell just by looking if the wound strings are nylon core? I wouldn't want to assume that anything I picked up off of FB for free was properly cared for.
 

StiHacka

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Is it possible to tell just by looking if the wound strings are nylon core? I wouldn't want to assume that anything I picked up off of FB for free was properly cared for.
The end will fringe if you pull on the bronze wire that's wound around it. The core is multiple threads like a cable.
 

jonKranked

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well the link
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Ernie Ball Folk Nylon acoustic guitar plain strings are made of a solid nylon clear filament. Nylon produces rich pure treble tones with percussive attack. Ernie Ball folk nylon wound strings are made of 80/20 bronze wrapped around a multifilament nylon core.

I'm not familiar with this style of string but it looks like it does exist with bronze wrapped low strings, which still have a nylon core. This may be what's on your guitar now.

The issue is beyond fit. The string tension will be too high with a full steel set, so your guitar's neck will bend like mine, and eventually crack. That design is intended for the lower tension.
Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. Like I said, complete noob to the world of guitars, at least beyond air guitar.
 

mandown

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a good listen for the music nerds. quite the history lesson.

the BB King doc was pretty good too.
 

Pesqueeb

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Had kind of a break through tonight. Still can't play that C for shit, but I did do a totally reasonable (for how long I've been playing, I guess) play along of Dead Flowers and Mad World. They were by no means perfect, I'm still only doing down strums on them, though I also managed a good play through of Three Little Birds doing D,D,UU,D, but I felt it. I played along, and it was rad. I want to do more of that.
 
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Changleen

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Both my kids (my son - the oldest - especially) have already expressed an interest in music. I want to stoke that interest because I think music is a great think for kids to learn and have an appreciation of. We have a basic casio keyboard they like too. I'm trying to teach him scales, with mild success thus far. At their ages (6 and almost 4) I don't have very high expectations, but having the exposure and interest at this age is something I want to nurture. Like I said, I have no experience playing guitar (or any stringed instrument for that matter) so this is a learning experience for me as well. The cost of investment was low, so I wanna see how things go, both for the kids and myself.
I promise you will have far better success if someone else (who is not their parent) teaches them.
 

Changleen

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As a bystander on this thread, I did enjoy the discussion of string types, but I want more discussion on the pickups and the guitar materials themselves, like the wood and whatever and how it affects the sound.
 

Pesqueeb

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Keep an eye on those GC bankruptcy sales that must be coming.
That's actually a great idea, I may roll down to the GC and throw some insulting offers around, see if they bite.
Serious question.

Is haggling expected during the purchase of a new guitar? I mean, I get if I'm looking at something used on craigslist, or in a pawn shop, but new? I just recently started "watching" a couple of Telecasters on Reverb and have gotten several almost immediate "offers" of 10ish percent off posted asking price. I'm not really in the market for probably several more months, best case, but is it expected that I counter with an even smaller figure? This kind of baloney is why I hang on to cars for 20 years.
 

6thElement

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Serious question.

Is haggling expected during the purchase of a new guitar? I mean, I get if I'm looking at something used on craigslist, or in a pawn shop, but new? I just recently started "watching" a couple of Telecasters on Reverb and have gotten several almost immediate "offers" of 10ish percent off posted asking price. I'm not really in the market for probably several more months, best case, but is it expected that I counter with an even smaller figure? This kind of baloney is why I hang on to cars for 20 years.
You can haggle anywhere for anything. They can only say no.

I used to do it all the time for electronics and ask if they'd knock money off for cash.
 

mandown

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Serious question.

Is haggling expected during the purchase of a new guitar? I mean, I get if I'm looking at something used on craigslist, or in a pawn shop, but new? I just recently started "watching" a couple of Telecasters on Reverb and have gotten several almost immediate "offers" of 10ish percent off posted asking price. I'm not really in the market for probably several more months, best case, but is it expected that I counter with an even smaller figure? This kind of baloney is why I hang on to cars for 20 years.
I’m not sure what the Reverb culture is. In the past, it hasn’t been uncommon to haggle on new gear with Guitar Center or similar chain shops. It’s possible with smaller operations too, but not as common in my experience. Sometimes the “deal” is that they’ll throw in extra stuff like a case or strings or a cable so you get a package deal.
 

Pesqueeb

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I’m not sure what the Reverb culture is. In the past, it hasn’t been uncommon to haggle on new gear with Guitar Center or similar chain shops. It’s possible with smaller operations too, but not as common in my experience. Sometimes the “deal” is that they’ll throw in extra stuff like a case or strings or a cable so you get a package deal.
A brief perusal of the GC website seems to suggest prices are on par with whatever I'm seeing on Reverb, which I guess implies haggling is expected at Reverb if that's the norm at GC. I emphatically detest shopping in such a manner. :disgust:
 

StiHacka

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Is haggling expected during the purchase of a new guitar? I mean, I get if I'm looking at something used on craigslist, or in a pawn shop, but new? I just recently started "watching" a couple of Telecasters on Reverb and have gotten several almost immediate "offers" of 10ish percent off posted asking price. I'm not really in the market for probably several more months, best case, but is it expected that I counter with an even smaller figure? This kind of baloney is why I hang on to cars for 20 years.
Very common. A lot of sellers are motivated to sell on Reverb and so offers and counter offers are the norm there. That said, I was never sent an unsolicited offer without having mine sent first. It's OK.
 

mandown

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I see tons of used stuff using the “over price” technique. List a $200 item for $499 and see what offers roll in, seems to be the SOP. I think people got sick of listing a $200 item at $180 for a quick sale and then having low-ballers show up offering for $150.

I’m sorry if the term low-ballers is insensitive ;)
 

Pesqueeb

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I've bought and sold 4 guitars on Reverb and have haggled on most of them. It's ok.
Post up links to the Teles you're looking at !
I wasn't so much questioning if it's a Reverb thing, as an industry/standard practice thing. As far as what I've been peeping, these are the two I was watching that I was offered price cuts on.

Offer was 1439 shipping included.
Offer was for 1349 shipping included.


And I wasn't in the market for another acoustic, but I stumbled across these and the attraction is strong, for purely aesthetic reasons.


I’m sorry if the term low-ballers is insensitive ;)
The plural implies you're not talking to me! :D
 

Pesqueeb

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I wasn't so much questioning if it's a Reverb thing, as an industry/standard practice thing. As far as what I've been peeping, these are the two I was watching that I was offered price cuts on.

Offer was 1439 shipping included.
Offer was for 1349 shipping included.


And I wasn't in the market for another acoustic, but I stumbled across these and the attraction is strong, for purely aesthetic reasons.



The plural implies you're not talking to me! :D
Was watching this one too, but so far, no attempts at a hard sell.

 

mandown

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Keep an eye out for Nash Tele models with light relic. I love their P and J bass models.

Give Reverend models a look too. My buddy’s cousin is the creator, and he’s been trying to get me into a Reverend for years. They’ve got some cool variations on classic themes, as well as some interesting signature models.
 

Nick

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Was watching this one too, but so far, no attempts at a hard sell.

I have a USA built version of that guitar (the red one in this thread). My $.02 is those Gotoh 510 bridges are finicky to get setup so unless you REALLY want a trem, find a fixed bridge and work on your vibrato. Mine is dialed now, but I can see it being a detractor for less obsessive tweakers.
edit: like this one.

I'm not ready to burn a Norwegian church down yet. :rockout:
"yet"
 

StiHacka

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I have a USA built version of that guitar (the red one in this thread). My $.02 is those Gotoh 510 bridges are finicky to get setup so unless you REALLY want a trem, find a fixed bridge and work on your vibrato. Mine is dialed now, but I can see it being a detractor for less obsessive tweakers.
edit: like this one.



"yet"
I had been avoiding floating tremolos like the plague until I got an ESP 7 string with a Floy Rose and it is the only guitar in my possession that absolutely definitely does not go out of tune, ever. The whole guitar is kick ass quality but the other ones need constant adjustments for temperature and humidity swings.
 

Nick

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Sure, because a floyd rose is double locking. My old floyds NEVER went out of tune either. I'd like another :D

The trem above is not locking.