But the weeping mortar will live on to infinity.....
I watched an incovenient truth last night
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Why bathe? Just gonna get dirty and smelly again anyway......
Info for those who have not been 'saved again' by the CoGW...
Lots of links:
http://www.john-daly.com/index.htm
Lots of links:
http://www.john-daly.com/index.htm
well which is it? do you still believe yr previous post, or are you flip-flopping now?
The extreme views and oversimplification of the environmental debate are what i find offputting. I'm addicted to oil yet lead an environmentally balanced life overall (modest house, low consumerism, low impact business etc) yet the prius driver giving me the stink-eye thinks he's superior because he's saving gas on the 75mile commute from his 5000 sq/ft house packed with chinese made crap.
If the oversimplification puts you off, please don't oversimplify. Self-off-putting should only be done in private.
N8.
I'm sure you read this part at the beginning.
Read the thing will you? Their methodology is about as complex as a high school science project. They at least noted barometric pressure changes, wind etc but then they didn't control for them.
No wonder this thing keeps getting brought up. It provides a convenient number but it doesn't mean anything.
WTF do you keep bringing religion into this? It has nothing to do with it (other than being a convenient barb for you to utilize).
You're the one who voted for the current crusades. Maybe YOU should get right with Jesus? You may need to get a head start on the whole forgivness thing.
You and all of the other idiots who voted to murder Arabs and the planet.
I can sleep at night. Unfortunately so can you - sans conscience.
Dick.
But the MAJORITY of the rebuttals are either coming from backing with an interest to to debunk it, or like that Kreutz "paper".....completely lacking in proper methodology and arhaic as hell.
You keep going on and on about the need to believe in global warming, but you're little republican rah rah squad is doing the exact same thing with a much less convincing body of work to do so. I'll agree that there are plenty on your oposing political team that don't understand it either........but there's a sh1t ton more evidence for them to work with that was conducted on sound science. Not some lacky getting money from exxon who thinks he's a biologist.
just cuz you don't like how the message is delivered or by whom, doesn't give you permission to ignore the message.
ad hominem?
Sorry to come so late to the party all...
Oh, the irony. You and Kihaji are invoking the Creationist style of argument that no evidence will ever be enough to convince you that global warming (or evolution in the case of the Creationist) is real/caused by man/etc. For every "missing link" there are two more created by it say the Creationists. For every fact dug up in a complex system, there's always some room to insert your, "Well I'm not convinced" line of argumentation.
I completely agree.
In fact, what if Global Warming is real and there is benefits to it... I reference the Everglades in south Florida. The only ecosystem of it's kind that's being destroyed. A warmer, wetter planet would help such eco-systems.
But I don't really see how that helps man and since I'm selfish, I think we should try to minimize polution. Even if it does nothing for global warming, it'll make my lungs, blood, organs just a little cleaner.
Not if they're flooded with melted sea water...
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WINNER!
For the moment, belonging to the Church of Global Warming makes one socially accepted and gives its members a 'holier than thou' elistist attitude without really making them do anything other than profess belief in GW whether or not they actually understand the subject or not.
We already know the effects of pollution on such things as asthma, etc, which has definitely been caused by increased levels of man-made pollution.
I don't know the studies, but I'm guessing it's that pollution is bad for people as individuals, yeah?
that's why we should "prevent"/"fix" this so-called "global warming"... for the immediate benefit of me.
perhaps global warming has historically advanced mankind... for example the end of the ice age which brought about the dawn of modern mankind...
Sorry, I didn't make it clear that I was agreeing with you. I was saying that you are correct that at the very least, we could combat problems that we know are already associated with pollution levels.
perhaps.
In all cases in the past, the global warming/cooling has been from natural variability of the Earth. That's what you refuse to get. Yes, the Earth and the Earth's inhabitants will adapt to meet the natural changes of the planet. What we are seeing now, however, is man imposing change on the Earth, instead of the other way around, and at a much quicker pace than in any previous change.
the scientific record is not at all conclusive that man, other than naming it, created global warming
man never will conquer nature....
the earth shrugs and a quarter of a million people die in a tidal wave...
gonna stop tidal waves next?
Um, I wasn't necessarily agreeing with you as I feel both sides of the debate are equally at fault for misinformation.
There's no denying there has been and will continue to be damage due to civilization, it's an unavoidable by-product. IMO the key is finding ways to manage the damage without throwing the world on its head.
I see it as no different than trying to limit the very real damage bikes cause to trails. Yes it occurs but little considerations in technique can greatly reduce the overall effects.
The only good thing about global warming would be the wiping out of that whole part of the world..... Come on Katrina Jr.!
Well, I am not saying global warming doesnt exist... i am not a believer in it though. I say let the hardcore science stand or fall on its own merits then decide. The proof is in there someplace and eventually it will be understood.
until then, don't have a knee-jerk reaction to what the media says. their job is to create crisis.
along with that as well... don't believe a wanna be in power again ex-politician with an adgenda based film...
- ad hominem -
and the reverse argument is that those who do say are being paid by the CoGW...