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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by jonKranked, Feb 11, 2019.
690 point engagement hubs.
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Quick engagement is very far down the list of my actual riding needs.
I am on a cheap low engagement hub now, for the first time in 14 years, and it doesn’t hinder my riding even a tiny bit.
I love bike marketing speak
Do some companies welcome new riders with clowns and spring loaded snakes in cans of peanut brittle?
No shit. Like, do my grips match the little crank booties? That's way more important to me. No no, you can't ride in tech if you don't have 11-billionty engagement points!
engage ALL the pointzZZZZZzZZSzSzSZS!1!!1111!!!
Of course not! That would be nonsense!
I9 makes awesome stuff. But unfortunately america is stupid and that's where they live. Therefore stupid.
Moar pointz moar betterz.
1 pawl at a time.
Whoa, my hub has twenty clickerz, will 670 more make me faster?
I’m currently on an x9 rear hub. Cost me $20CAD new.
It doesn’t sound cool, is lighter than my friends Onyx, but I’ve never had a really nice rear hub.
Are you all trying to tell me I’m not missing anything???
I call lizard shenanigans.
Have you ever felt the hopelessness of the universe collapse upon you and feel that a fancy mechanical trinket could fill the void that is your soul?
hey bud. how’s snowmageddon 2019 treating ya?
I’m a sucker for high engagement points hubs.
I loved my old Ringlé Abbah DH, DT440 and DT240 with 36 POE. Then I got a BMX hubs with 120 POE and an obnoxious Profile Elite with 204 POE. Last summer I got a RaceFace Vault with 120 POE on my mountain bike.
My conclusion is that 18 or is too few and feels bad for technical riding requiring ratcheting. 36 is the minimum for me, but still works well for mtb. 120 is plenty and feels super nice. 204 feels instantaneous, but not worth it at all, especially if it adds more drag. I have never tried one, but I’m sure a CK with 72 is plenty as well.
I'm so over noise.
I've run Kings for many years. The first pair I ever laced are still in action on a friend's bike.
I maintain the rear hubs as needed and my hubs are almost silent.
This I9 thing is cool in theory but not for me.
I detest noisy pawls but have never gotten to the point of replacing a hub because of it. Not sure whether quicker engagement would help my awkward riding or not.
Instant engagement, dead silent.
I find it helpful racing, if I'm hearing the noise, it means I should be pedaling.
People get out of my way much easier on the trail too, less yelling.
I am certain quicker engagement will not help your awkward riding. But some nerd who strava's the climbs will probably think you're hot shit
I can only imagine this sounds like your neighbors kid's tricked out Civic. So many bees.
And here I thought the arms race for freehub engagement was over
I honestly had to check the date in the article to make sure i didn't fall into a time warp and that article was from April first.
MOAR angry bees
Bikerumor actually has the best write-up I've seen on it so far.
Those are some real micro splines.
I normally like I9 stuff, and would totally consider them as an option, but I'm not sure about this one. After blowing up Shimano freebub bodies at least once a year, the year I destroyed three of them was the year I swore off pawl systems forever. I got a King hub and never looked back. I'm still on that same hub, I think it's ten years old now (good thing my current bike with 142 rear axle spacing has modern geometry, so I can keep it a while longer :/ ).
I don't know if it was Shimano pawls, or if all pawl systems suffer from the same drawback, but putting all that load through 2 or 3 tiny little pawls seems like a weak engineering solution to me. They're so small and dainty, how can they possibly put up with all that load for extended periods of time. I really like the King ring-drive system and how the engagement is more powerful the more torque you put into it.
This "solution" seems like a step back, particularly for people who ride in environments condusive to contamination. Those splines and pawl teeth seem so small and susceptible to collecting dirt and grime. Even my King hub, if I don't clean it at the end of the season can get gummed up in cold/damp conditions. I've been told it happens when the lube freezes with debris/dirt in the grooves of the ring drive causing it to slip. I could be wrong of course, I'm not an engineer, but this seems like a hub for clean environments. Like roads.
How many points?
I've been a fan of DT Swiss' star ratchet thingy. They aren't candy colored and don't sound cool though. On the up side they seem to work forever without any more than an occasional greasing.
My only issue with the DT swiss thing is that its too easy to loose parts all over the floor/trail when you take your wheel off.
Total arm chair engineer comment here, but is it a good idea to make the pawl smaller and only have one engaged at a time?
I purchased a set of onyx hubs earlier this year. Money aside, I can't understand why anyone would purchase anything else. They changed my solo riding experience.
In the PB article, it says:
i.e.: Flex is the new Shimz.
hmmmm... never experienced any issues like that.
Now you can't hear your heavy breathing over the BEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I find the standard i9 quite obnoxious.
Project 321 has a 216 poe that uses magnets inatead of springs, way quieter and less drag.
hopes for years. no issues, no desire to change, even to a local company. and screw their proprietary spokes.
I9 makes j-bend hubs too. I have a set.
I went Onyx for the new build.
I have always wanted some high engagement Hadley's and I9's after years of Hope and 18/36 point DT (I break 54 tooth ratchets)
After the TBI and now with the constant headache the idea of the angry buzz has gone from desired to repulsive.
I used to love backpedalling the Hopes to alert riders / hikers - guess now I'm gonna have to buy a bell - Any recommendations?