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If a black dude burns a cross in anther black dude's yard, is it a 'hate crime?'

N8 v2.0

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How about is he also burns his SUV too...???


Caddo school worker accused of burning cross in supervisor's yard
Kenneth Wayne Smith also accused of setting supervisor's vehicle on fire.
Shreveport Times | January 25, 2006 | Francis McCabe

A Herndon Elementary-Middle School maintenance worker is accused of setting his supervisor's SUV afire and lighting a cross in the man's yard.

Kenneth Wayne Smith, 45, of Gilliam has been booked into Caddo Correctional Center on one count of aggravated arson as a result of the incident Monday morning. His bond is pending.

Smith, who is black, apparently had a disagreement at work with his supervisor, who also is black, authorities said. Smith built two crosses, each two feet wide and three feet tall, and set the supervisor's SUV on fire as well as one of the crosses, Caddo sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Chadwick said. The other cross was leaned against the supervisor's residence in the 12000 block of Main Street in Gilliam but never was lit, she said.

Detective Kay Ward went to Smith's residence Tuesday after authorities learned that he and his supervisor had had a falling out.

Ward found two pieces of wood matching the wood used to make the crosses, Chadwick said.

Smith was charged soon after the wood was sent to the crime laboratory, which confirmed the match, she said.

Smith was interviewed but did not confess to anything, Ward said.

Smith most likely used the crosses to "take attention away from himself," Chadwick said. He was not charged with a hate crime
 

Old Man G Funk

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Nov 21, 2005
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You decide. Here's the definition of a "hate crime"

A hate crime is a criminal offense committed against persons, property or society that is motivated, in whole or in part, by an offender's bias against an individual's or a group's race, religion, ethnic/national origin, gender, age, disability or sexual orientation. (Definition developed at the 1998 IACP Summit on Hate Crime in America.)
Taken from here:

http://www.theiacp.org/documents/index.cfm?fuseaction=document&document_id=141
 

H8R

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Nov 10, 2004
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BurlyShirley said:
I really dislike hatecrime legislation.
I saw the title of this thread and I automatically thought it was you posting it. Except it would have been an original thought/question coming from you, not a paste-o-matic thread.
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
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Well, I daresay it wasn't a crime born of love...

But philosophically, I don't like "hate crime" type laws. When you do something bad to someone else, it's already a crime. The motive and such should be taken into account at sentencing, but I don't think it's necessary to have laws more biased towards one type of murder (foe example) than another.

Then again, a few more years in the slammer for someone who's done something heinous doesn't bother me all that much, either.

MD
 

MikeD

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Wow, apparently I missed "The Amish" once again telling it like it is to us all. Damn.

I almost went and started with him the other day when he was talking about the "Arabs" in Iran. But then I figured...why bother?

Maybe there's a custom title buried in his posts somewhere. Any nominations?
 

Silver

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MikeD said:
Well, I daresay it wasn't a crime born of love...

But philosophically, I don't like "hate crime" type laws. When you do something bad to someone else, it's already a crime. The motive and such should be taken into account at sentencing, but I don't think it's necessary to have laws more biased towards one type of murder (foe example) than another.

Then again, a few more years in the slammer for someone who's done something heinous doesn't bother me all that much, either.

MD
To be fair about Iran and Arabs, I'd guess that is a mistake that well over 50% Americans would make. Someone ought to do a poll :)

As for the hate crime thing, I agree with you. The one place where I can see it being useful is to counter the "That fag made a pass at me so I beat him to death" defence.

There's no guarantee that you get a couple of Rhodes scholars (or even semi-literate) people on a jury. Didn't one of the Robert Blake jurors said she voted innocent because it wasn't like on CSI?
 

The Amish

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MikeD said:
Wow, apparently I missed "The Amish" once again telling it like it is to us all. Damn.

I almost went and started with him the other day when he was talking about the "Arabs" in Iran. But then I figured...why bother?

Maybe there's a custom title buried in his posts somewhere. Any nominations?

I tried to let it go. thhought it was a bit much even for me.

As for a name how bout "that dude who just finished bonin your wife"
 

The Amish

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"My daddy was a nigger and all I got was this impaired thinky."
Thats prolly the funniest thing I've ever read here. I would totaly sport that name. Nice one
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
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Silver said:
I quoted low. Nothing makes an idiot feel happier than finding out that a lot of people agree with him.
That's why I didn't mention it in the first place...

Anyhow, that kinda describes politics in this country, no?

MD
 

sanjuro

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The Amish said:
I tried to let it go. thhought it was a bit much even for me.

As for a name how bout "that dude who just finished bonin your wife"

"that dude who just finished bonin a dude"