What makes you want to vote for the Dim's canidate (John F'ing Kerry) anyways...???
If it's Kerry vs Bush how will you vote?
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I will probably end up voting for Kerry but only as I feel he is the lesser of two evils. If I did not feel like I was going to throw away votes I would probably write in for McCain or maybe the Libertarian candidate.
My closest match is:
Kerry with only a 61%
Kucinich 55%
Sharpton 48%
Boosh 37%
My closest match is:
Kerry with only a 61%
Kucinich 55%
Sharpton 48%
Boosh 37%
He just needs to do a few faceplants to mess up that pretty face.
Who is the taller candidate? I think historicaly the tallest of the final two candidates always win with the exception of Bob Dole vs. Clinton.
Well, Kerry's face alone is about 7ft 3", so I figure he's taller than Bush.
I voted for Bush last election (lesser of the 2 evils), and while I'm Libertarian in my views, I'll be casting my vote for Kerry this November. (Once again, lesser of the 2 evils)
yes, i think kerry is the lesser of 2 evils.
no wait, kerry is the lesser of 2 evils.
oh hell, let 'em duke it out: http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/
no wait, kerry is the lesser of 2 evils.
oh hell, let 'em duke it out: http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/
Originally posted by zod
Maybe you shouldn't have gone to college in the deep South........we're a little conservative compared to our brothers above the Mason-Dixon line.
Oh, and yes..... liberals are worse than the plague!
yeah i know, this place is a $hithole.
anyway,. i didnt want to attend college in the US in first place.
am kinda here by default
.i took english classes first in NYC. awesome place, but way too cold, then moved down here. huge mistake.
paris was my first choice. ah yeah! I love liberals, being a huge one myself. that and monaco f1, eurailpasses, and les gets
I will most likely be using my pretend vote on Kerry or Nader, and hoping the Electoral college votes against Bush.
Not that I think either of them could really do any better or worse than Bush. I just think it would be nice to have a president who at leasts pretends to care about people other than the upper class, and or corporations who line his campaign pocket.
Not that I think either of them could really do any better or worse than Bush. I just think it would be nice to have a president who at leasts pretends to care about people other than the upper class, and or corporations who line his campaign pocket.
i dont vote. not a US citizen.
in an american-patriotic way i'd vote for Kerry. He is, in a utilitarian sense, the best for the most within the US borders. like most democrat presidents have been.
and without any especulation in the future, just by looking at a present record, in a selfish way, i'd support Bush.
He is fvcking up the US economy so bad, that the dollar is collapsing at a rate i have never seen. and that its very good for south america.
for the first time since the 2nd world war my currency is stronger than the previously almightly US buck.
that means at this rate in a few years, i could import my biking stuff from the US for cheap!!!, yeahhh!!! (plus colateral damage, like weaker economic influence in the world and world prices).
in an american-patriotic way i'd vote for Kerry. He is, in a utilitarian sense, the best for the most within the US borders. like most democrat presidents have been.
and without any especulation in the future, just by looking at a present record, in a selfish way, i'd support Bush.
He is fvcking up the US economy so bad, that the dollar is collapsing at a rate i have never seen. and that its very good for south america.
for the first time since the 2nd world war my currency is stronger than the previously almightly US buck.
that means at this rate in a few years, i could import my biking stuff from the US for cheap!!!, yeahhh!!! (plus colateral damage, like weaker economic influence in the world and world prices).
so please, go ahead and support my bike habit. and american
imports habit. vote bush!
imports habit. vote bush!
yes, it would be nice.
Since 1989 Kerry has received $638,358, according to a study by the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-profit organization that analyzes Federal Election Commission campaign records.
Add to that reports that Kerrys largest contributor, the Boston law firm of Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Golovsky and Popeo, represents telecommunications interests and that he has carried its legislative water while interceding with government agencies on its clients behalf. And that Kerry sought SEC help for a woman with ties to the Chinese military and got a fund-raiser in return. And that Kerry supported a contracting loophole for American International Group insurance company, which repaid him with donations. And that Kerry recommended individuals for positions at federal home loan banks just before or after they gave him political contributions.
Were these interests not special?
Are the ACLU, the AFL-CIO, the People for the American Way, the Sierra Club, for that matter the entire complex of environmentalists lobbies, abortion backers, trial lawyers and other assorted Democratic constituent factions some how not special interests? What then? Generic interests?
He not only accepts special interest money, he leads the pack in the Senate in lobbyists cash.
So, tell me who you'd vote for again?
No sarcasm there bro, I really dislike the electoral college.
Show me a politician that hasn't sold their sold many times over in an attempt to gain office. I know each of them is as corrupt as the next. That is why I may go with Nader, he at least cares (or did at one time) about the average American.
Not that this makes it any better, but as stinkle pointed out ALL interests are special. Any legislation that is passed that is at all specific (that is, regarding any group of people smaller than the about 150 million) is going to be for "special interests."
It's actually a very effective system of politics, for those of you that have taken Govy or Poly Sci courses... and it is what our system has evolved into. Any legislator that DIDN'T listen or respond to special interests would be a terrible lawmaker. They would be completely ineffective and unable to vote on almost any matter, besides being completely unaware of the world around them.
An interest or a lobby is a group of folks that pooled their money because they have common needs and they want their voice heard. That's just smart leveraging of dollars, and it isn't only done by big businesses or the corrupt. It's done by anyone who needs a voice in politics.
Polticians love to spout off about "special interests," because they know the public eats it up. Everyone likes to think they're the majority and everyone else is a special interest. Suprise suprise, YOU are a special interest too.
edit: that being said, not all lobbies are good, and you can judge a politician by WHICH lobbies they have catered to, not whether ot not they've catered to lobbies. Those that have supported groups that align with their core beliefs are commendable. Those that have aligned with groups that simply offered up the most money, and/or mutually benefitted monetarily (e.g. gas/oil argument), should be dragged through the streets. A better record than who they HAVE accepted money from, would be whose money they've turned down, or who they voted against DESPITE a contribution... but I've never seen those statistics.
It's actually a very effective system of politics, for those of you that have taken Govy or Poly Sci courses... and it is what our system has evolved into. Any legislator that DIDN'T listen or respond to special interests would be a terrible lawmaker. They would be completely ineffective and unable to vote on almost any matter, besides being completely unaware of the world around them.
An interest or a lobby is a group of folks that pooled their money because they have common needs and they want their voice heard. That's just smart leveraging of dollars, and it isn't only done by big businesses or the corrupt. It's done by anyone who needs a voice in politics.
Polticians love to spout off about "special interests," because they know the public eats it up. Everyone likes to think they're the majority and everyone else is a special interest. Suprise suprise, YOU are a special interest too.
edit: that being said, not all lobbies are good, and you can judge a politician by WHICH lobbies they have catered to, not whether ot not they've catered to lobbies. Those that have supported groups that align with their core beliefs are commendable. Those that have aligned with groups that simply offered up the most money, and/or mutually benefitted monetarily (e.g. gas/oil argument), should be dragged through the streets. A better record than who they HAVE accepted money from, would be whose money they've turned down, or who they voted against DESPITE a contribution... but I've never seen those statistics.
and in what way do you think Kerry dropped the ball?
I thought his response was great. He's saying the invasion is in the past, let's move forward. There's a chance that even if we went to war for the wrong reasons that a greater good may come of it. What's wrong with that?
his evasive answers reveal just how clumsy he is on issues he has had time to prepare - or at least review DNC talking points. These are easy questions to take a decided stand on, especially when he has the opportunity to monday morning 1/4back it.
C'mon, he's pretty arrogant to think we should vote for him b/c it's "his turn". The only thing i know he stands for is that he's not bush.
and unfortunately, that may be good enough for a lot of folks.
that said, it's too nice to be inside
*whirrrrrr*
Wouldn't that be Bush's problem? I mean if someone can beat him on they basis that they aren't him, doesn't that mean that Bush screwed up pretty big?
No it just means that the liberal machine is working pretty well.
I don't get the whole "liberal/conservative media' thing. It seems that liberals like to rant about the conservative media, just as much as the conservatives like to blame the media for being too liberal.
Maybe it is some sort fo Jewish conspiracy, to draw attention away from them...
Friggin' Jews!
Maybe it is some sort fo Jewish conspiracy, to draw attention away from them...
Friggin' Jews!
Just take a good hard look at Bush and what he has done. Do you still want him in there again? None of us really care what the other says this is the internet. On that note I think bush is down right scary. He'll push the button no questions asked and worry about it later. :devil: 
umm, you're new, so you'll be surprised about this forum. We all care about what each other thinks, we try to understand each other and try to learn from each other. Well, everyone but $tinkle
:devil: I disagree about your button comment tho and I don't think Bush is all that scary.
I guess that there is something wrong with me since I didn't get a 100%, or even close.
Wow, check out this GEM of a quote from John Kerry I just ran across.
WTF is that?
WTF is that?
Damn good policy in my book...Originally posted by BurlySurly
Wow, check out this GEM of a quote from John Kerry I just ran across.
shameless kowtowing.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Wow, check out this GEM of a quote from John Kerry I just ran across.
the real john kerry.
foreign policy gone mad.
a setup to get b|tch slapped again.
a way to get those 100 or so kucinich swing voters
duh.