I think people "make it their business" when extremists push it on them?
But I'm still curious as to the reasoning behind the "meat is murder".
if meat is murder, then what are vegans?
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But I'm still curious as to the reasoning behind the "meat is murder".
I think of "meat is murder" as an an expression of an opinion. Or a Smiths album.
And I don't mean to say only meatasauruses "make it their business". For every time I've heard "just eat a steak you faggot" from the boys at the bar, I've heard the "oh you're a vegetarian too!" from some ditzy chick who instantly thinks we're kindred souls or something.
That must be rough.
Hm.
If someone noticed you had a mountain bike sticker of some kind on your bag/car/whatever and said, "Oh, you mountain bike? What do you ride?" would it bug you as much as the vegetarian thing?
And don't you just hate it when chicks hit on you? It really bugs me, too
Generally I have a lot more to talk about with a mountain biker than a vegetarian.Hm.
If someone noticed you had a mountain bike sticker of some kind on your bag/car/whatever and said, "Oh, you mountain bike? What do you ride?" would it bug you as much as the vegetarian thing?
And don't you just hate it when chicks hit on you? It really bugs me, too
And I've never tried to parlay the vegetarian chick thing into a score, but I doubt it would work. And I have a GF that probably wouldn't appreciate it.
Plus, they don't put meat in their body.
I mean I have friends who are vegetarians, and we sometimes talk about food, but we're not friends BECAUSE we're vegetarians.
Some of them do
You'd better translate that one. dhbuilder will never get it if you don't....Some of them do
uke:I'm friends with BMXman, but only *despite* the fact that he's a black vegan. I keep hoping he'll realize being black is really only a phase, and, well, I slip bits of turkey into his food when he's not looking.
meat is murder....
tasty, tasty murder.
tasty, tasty murder.
my friend said last week ... "if God didnt intend for us to eat meat then he wouldn't have made animals out of it" ... i thought that was classic
The way I heard it was "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of food?"
You doubt it would work?
"Yeah, I just can't eat meat. I can't imagine being responsible for the death of all of the wonderful animals we share our planet with. They're so great, you know? Animals just understand you."
Either you don't have much experience with women or you haven't fully thought out all the possibilities
That sort of stuff works on all chicks, not just the vegetarian ones.You doubt it would work?
"Yeah, I just can't eat meat. I can't imagine being responsible for the death of all of the wonderful animals we share our planet with. They're so great, you know? Animals just understand you."
Either you don't have much experience with women or you haven't fully thought out all the possibilities
well in my experience when I'm questioned about MTB's there is often a true interest...but when I'm asked about being Vegan it's often a challenge and the person feeling they need to "educate" me or prove me wrong...this happens about 90% of the time...DHm.
If someone noticed you had a mountain bike sticker of some kind on your bag/car/whatever and said, "Oh, you mountain bike? What do you ride?" would it bug you as much as the vegetarian thing?
And don't you just hate it when chicks hit on you? It really bugs me, too
90% of the time? And you haven't learned yet?
Ya know, fish is really good for the brain.
that's why I'm kind agressive about NOT talking about it....I'm sure I come off rude sometimes but enough is enough...D
A good burger will take the edge off.
Maybe I can shed a bit of light.
We humans have today the possibilities to feed our selves without having to eat meat. If it's not a nessesity, then it's just for pleasing once own ego. Animals don't have our choices, only those living on the island of Eden, the Phantom's island where all animals live in peace, can do so.
We are the master spieces on this planet. All animals are seen as lower standing creatures with very limited rights. They are here for our pleasure and need. Do you see any similarities to anything else?
If you look at all these sci-fi storys, that have come out as films or series, you will see another spieces invading our planet that is technically and intellectually superior to us. Like that 80's series "V" for instance. They conquered us so that they could exploit our natural resources, including us humans as food, just like we do here on earth with the animals (actually with humans too).
I remember that they had a shortage of natural resources and food on their planet as they, just like us, consumed above their assets. A big reason for our space journeys today are to find a new planet to empty of its natural resourses. When we run out of ours here, not only will we start dropping like flys, but the worst part is that our money will stop multiply; which is the core meaning of our system (and George Soros will lose his reason to live
). Have you given a thought on what will happen if we find an intellectually developed spieces on that planet? They might live good lives, have dreams and search for higher meanings of their existance just like us. Will we have the right to make Mc Alien out of them just because we have bigger guns than they have?
If a person says to another person that his strenght and abilites, that are superior to the other once's, makes him a being of higher value, then that makes him a fascist. Litterally. That is a fundamental part of fascist ideology.
Humans are opportunists, our greed has no end, animals aren't, they take what they need, and only because they need.
This is a lot more critisism than some of us can take. I've noticed many times that when **** gets too serious, people shut off and often get offended. I'm never on anybodys ass about their eating habits, but if they ask why I'm a vegetarian I say it's because of I mostly find the farming industry, the transportations of the animals and the slaughter houses overly cruel.
I point out that these animals haven't at least lived as animals before they became food, as they've been confined to an all to small indoor space all their lives. I compare food from the animal industry to food from wild animals like (rain)deer, elk and fish.
It is hard to talk about this without making people feel guilty and I always mention that to ease up the atmosphere a bit. When people ask I try to give them positive alternatives to force fed chickens, like saying one can choose to buy turkeys that have lived on an old style farm.
Some times when I know the people better and I know that they can take a bit more of the truth, I tell them about how a great percentage of the worlds poplulation is either starving or malnutritioned because of that arable land is being used to grow fodder, and that we can feed all of us if we eat less meat.
I want to recolect that it takes 7 times the land to feed an animal so that 1 person can later be fed, than if we would grow crops for human consumation.
Self critisism is not an easy thing, but if we can do it it evolves us like few other things.
There's one thing I've been thinking about and I hope both meat eaters and non meat eaters will speak their minds.
When I've been at someone elses house and they've offered me food, I haven't eaten any meat/fish. Of course, they ask me why I'm vegetarian and blablabla. Thing is, I feel bothered to talk about it as I'm afraid it's something that should be avoided as it might bother them and bring negative energy to the room.
What do you guys that are vegetarians/vegans do, shut up and eat what served but refuse seconds? And how would you meat eaters react if that happened at the table that you just served?
When I've been at someone elses house and they've offered me food, I haven't eaten any meat/fish. Of course, they ask me why I'm vegetarian and blablabla. Thing is, I feel bothered to talk about it as I'm afraid it's something that should be avoided as it might bother them and bring negative energy to the room.
What do you guys that are vegetarians/vegans do, shut up and eat what served but refuse seconds? And how would you meat eaters react if that happened at the table that you just served?
First, your previous post is way too friggin' long. Brevity is your friend.
As for what to do when someone serves something you don't eat, well, don't eat it. How is that hard?
I refuse to eat meat that was abused in the standard process of growing it. Like foie gras, that's just mean. The only true way to eat meat is by killing a wild animal. Since I don't do that, I have to draw the line somewhere, that's duck liver, veal and the like.
Whoa, I never noticed! Animals are just like chicks!
Ed: WHOA! "V" reference! Sweet!!!! Now I know why I have the urge to tear my rubber face off and eat raw hamburger.
We are omnivores - 2 million years of evolution can't be wrong. Our species succeeded for a reason - we are designed to be adaptable/flexible. Its easier to get your food from multiple sources and easier to balance your diet.
I would agree if you said in modern context, richer countries generally need to lower their animal based diet content, but eating everything is natural - there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing what nature intended us to do.
So you eat meat because it's easier??...lol ok well to each his own...but vegetarianism isn't hard at all...D
I just tell them I'm vegetarian and I eat what I can. If they ask why and are truly interested I will go into detail. It only happened the first 2 years or so. Now everyone knows so it never comes up...D
I was talking in general.
I eat everything because there is nothing wrong or unnatural about it - its how we evolved. To say it is wrong goes against evolution which can't be wrong.
If you interested in what the natural human diet is, this is the leading text on the matter.
Here is a good review of it from Amazon:
The answer to that is yes, well at least for my gf, she swallows. She just won't eat any animal by-products, she has to get her protein somehow:biggrin:
Hmm, vegetrain? Is that a vegetable locomotive? How many cabbages? Have you got a cow-catcher?
I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp, but just because you decide to follow a certain belief structure, that does not make it the only correct information on the planet. Just because you, or someone who agrees with you, claims that someone is the leading expert on something, does not make it so. And I still don't understand why people like you give a rat's ass what I eat. I believe eating meat is not healthy, and there are a million reputable sources that will back up my claims too. For you to keep spouting the same opinions over and over and calling them facts does not change anything.
That sounds a bit violent for a vegetrain. I think he rather has a device that gently lifts the cows up and whisks them away to a long-deserved vacation, far away from railroad tracks.
My train, on the other hand, has a meat grinder mounted on the front.
ok lets say I agree with you that eating meat is natural evolution (which I don't). You can't compare the hunter/gather days to the amount of mass farming that goes on today. It's just apples and oranges. Now if you went out and killed your own meat with your bare hands or a weapon you made then I have no problem with that.
Today that is hardly the case. Mass farming uses up to much land, involves cruelty and endless suffering of animlas, as well as aids in the spead or many diseases.....D
Yeah this text sounds real questionable to me compared to those pamplets you get at the health food store:
Humans have physiological traits not found in herbivores. Our species succeeded because we are omnivores. Evolution isn't something you can just forget in a generation or two, it doesn't work that way.
Also I never mentioned you or BMXman - I didn't direct it anyone in particular.
Still I gotta do what works for me dude. I literally haven't had so much as a case of the sniffles in 2 years. I'm in my best riding shape ever. I'm 40 years old and I still get ID'd for beer. If I'm malnourished, it sure feels great. On the other hand, most of my meatasaurus friends, who ride/work out just as much as me, and otherwise eat healthy, are constantly getting colds, flu, stomach bugs, etc. Coincidence? Maybe. But I'm gonna stick with what works for me.
As I mentioned above I would agree if you said most western countries have too much animal based foods in their diet.
I'll give some credence to BMXman in that modern large scale commercial farming - BOTH animal and plant - does have a range of detrimental effects.
However you can't give up the fact that we are, by nature, omnivores. You can't discount our evolution.