[AngryMetalsmith]

So what SPECIFIC decisions as Govenor of Alaska scare you most?

She tried to have a librarian fired because she refused to ban books that Palin found inappropriate.

When she was mayor she made rape victims pay for the rape kit.....those things run about 2K.....

That's pretty sick.

you ought to at lest get it right before you let your insecurity build up..

Palin's police chief in Wasilla did that. She had nothing to do with it.


:yawn:

And who is the Police Chief's boss ?

Idiot !

 

[ohio]

i think you at least could have known she could have not known.

She either ..
A) Didn't know about even after it made headlines, which makes her an incredibly uninformed, ignorant executive, OR
B) She did know about it and couldn't do anything about it (surprising, since she certainly had people fired for much much less) which makes her a weak unsavvy executive, OR
C) She did know about it and condoned it which makes her a despicable excuse for a human, OR
D) She did know about and chose to look the other way because the chief was a friend, which makes her both unethical and despicable.

Take your pick.

 

[Cant Climb]

I am going to play along with this one.

Let's say Palin is a real, viable candidate for the Vice Presidency; let's say she is as qualified as Biden or Obama to be President.

Let her go on a round of interviews, starting with Meet The Press followed up by the O'Reilly Report, The Newshour with Jim Lehrer, and a townhall meeting with undeclared voters.

What I find despicable with the Republicans is their attempt to discredit the "Mainstream Media" as some poor representation of the American people. What they are really doing is sheltering Palin from being vetted by the most respected reporters in America and Bill O'Reilly.

I love to see a townhall format, so she can talk to the people directly.

When she does all of that, which McCain, Obama, and Biden have all done, then get back to me if she is as experienced as Obama.

Debates and initerviews don't really get to a canidates problem solving ability, however McCain has a track record. I like the fact that he takes in information and expertise and formualtes a plan. I may not agree with his plan but it is based on thought. I just think Obama has this same characteristic, i'm under the impression (mainly using his education as a barometer) that he too has these traits. Plus he appears to be one hell of a Statemans in the manner in which he carries himself, America has lost respect in the wolrd......

Once McCain took on Palin i stop digging deep. She is out of her element. Her responses at the debate were like she was reciting it from her homework the night before. If McCain croaks having her as the prez would be a disaster IMO. Does she even know how Washington or international politics work at all....?.....or even a little bit.....?......Obama, Biden, McCain know this stuff.....

 

[N8 v2.0]

She either ..
A) Didn't know about even after it made headlines, which makes her an incredibly uninformed, ignorant executive, OR
B) She did know about it and couldn't do anything about it (surprising, since she certainly had people fired for much much less) which makes her a weak unsavvy executive, OR
C) She did know about it and condoned it which makes her a despicable excuse for a human, OR
D) She did know about and chose to look the other way because the chief was a friend, which makes her both unethical and despicable.

Take your pick.

i am sorta thinking ur choices there might be kinda biased..

 

[Transcend]

i am sorta thinking ur choices there might be kinda biased..

Actually, it's simply a matter of "the truth hurts".

 

[binary visions]

i am sorta thinking ur choices there might be kinda biased..

What are your alternatives?

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Does she even know how Washington or international politics work at all....?.....or even a little bit.....?......Obama, Biden, McCain know this stuff.....

In the VP debate Palin stated that she is a washington outsider and does not know how things work. She also said, " How long have I been at this ? Five weeks ? ". Albeit that statement was in regards to her campaigning it is indicative of her inexperience and less than appropriate choice as a VP candidate.


Rest assured that if McCain and Palin do somehow end up in office that her ability to see Russia from parts of Alaska will give her front row seats for the fireworks when they start WWIII.

 

[syadasti]

I believe she knew about it.....or at least should have.

She can't handle the truth anymore either

Email from a family friend in Juneau last month:

JUST FOR THE RECORD
On Tuesday, Governor Sarah Palin's appointed Attorney General sent a letter to state Sen. Hollis French, the Democrat overseeing the "Troopergate" investigation, and asked that the subpoenas that were issued last week to complete testimony be withdrawn.
Attorney General Talis Colberg also stated the employees would refuse to appear unless either the full state Senate or the entire Legislature votes to compel their testimony.
Also on Tuesday, the McCain campaign rolled out what they're calling their "Truth Squad", which consists of former Palin spokesperson Meg Stapleton and a New York lawyer named Ed O'Callahan.

Just a month ago Attorney General Colberg came under questions for talking to potential witnesses ahead of special investigator Steve Branchflower. Both Palin and Colberg stated at the time he was gathering evidence to hand over to Branchflower for the investigation.
However today, four weeks later, both Colberg and Palin are questioning the validity of the investigation.

So just for the record, we'll share the actual truth with the Meg and Ed about this investigation so they'll know better next time:
Lawmakers seek outside inquiry of Monegan firing - KTUU-TV – July 18, 2008:
Some lawmakers are asking for more answers to the reasons Palin had for firing Monegan. Palin, in Wasilla for the Governor’s Picnic, said she would not fight such an effort to look into this matter by an independent investigator.
“We would never prohibit, or be less than enthusiastic about any kind of investigation. Let’s deal in the facts, and you do that via investigation,” Palin said.

Senate will look into Monegan firing - KTUU-TV – July 19, 2008:
While the governor said there is no need for an investigation from an outside investigator, she said she will answer any questions from lawmakers, media and the public.

Public Safety already headed in ‘new direction,’ some say - Anchorage Daily News - July 22, 2008:
The governor denies any wrongdoing, and says she welcomes any questions on the matter.

Palin under fire – Legislature appears poised to appoint investigator -Aftermath of Monegan Dismissal, Anchorage Daily News - July 22, 2008:
“I’ve said all along, hold me accountable,” Palin told reporters in Juneau. “And I’m telling the truth when I say there was never pressure put on Commissioner Monegan.”

Lawmakers move to investigate Monegan ouster, KTUU-TV – July 24, 2008:
The governor says she welcomes the investigation. “I have absolutely nothing to hide and am happy to answer any questions,” she said. “I’m happy to answer any questions between now and when they do conduct an investigation also.”
Gov. Palin said last weekend that she did not think an independent investigator was needed. “That being the route that they choose, then so be it,” she said. “I’m happy to comply, to cooperate. I have absolutely nothing to hide. No problem with an independent investigation.”

Hired help will probe Monegan dismissal - $100,000: Legislators vote to have independent investigator look into controversial firing - Anchorage Daily News –July 29, 2008:
“The governor has said all along that she will fully cooperate with an investigation and her staff will cooperate as well,” Leighow said.

Branchflower to investigate in Monegan firing - KTUU-TV – August 1, 2008:
“I’ve heard (Branchflower’s) name, or course, over the years in Alaska,” Palin said. “I know he’s a prosecutor, probably a heavy duty prosecutor, and so that kind of puzzles us why we are going down that road when we are very, very open to answering any questions anybody has of me or administrators.”

PRESS RELEASE: GOVERNOR TO TURN OVER FINDINGS - Office of the Governor – August 13, 2008:
Governor Palin has directed all her staff to cooperate fully with Branchflower.
Palin administration cooperating with investigator - KTUU-TV – August 15, 2008:
Lawmakers had wanted to know if Steve Branchflower needed them to issues subpoenas to require witnesses to talk to him about Gov. Sarah Palin’s decision to fire Monegan and about the actions of her staffers. But State Sen. Hollis French says the meeting was cancelled because there’s no need for subpoenas at this point.

Palin aide Frank Bailey placed on administrative leave - KTUU-TV – August 19, 2008:
“We figured, if there is an investigation going on with an unknown outcome – we don’t know exactly what (special investigator) Mr. Branchflower is going to conclude – that Mr. Bailey just needed to step away from the situation, although be available to the investigator,” [Palin spokesman] McAllister said. The governor’s office also says that Bailey will cooperate fully with the investigation.

Palin aide put on leave in firing flap, BAILEY: Official who made all inquiring about trooper taken “out of the mix.” - Anchorage Daily News – August 20, 2008:
Spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said that with Bailey still a state employee, Palin “can direct him to assist Mr. Branchflower, thereby fulfilling her pledge to Alaskans to cooperate fully with the investigation.”

Re: Governor Palin and Trooper Investigation - McCain Campaign Press Release – August 30, 2008:
Governor Palin is an open book on this – she did nothing wrong and has nothing to hide. As a reformer and a leader on ethics reform, she has been happy to cooperate fully in the inquiry of this matter.

Attorney challenges Monegan firing inquiry – Anchorage Daily News – September 2, 2008:
He [Governor Palin’s Lawyer Mr. Van Flein] said the governor’s office welcomes the inquiry and will cooperate. Palin has made repeated public statements that she’ll cooperate, and that hasn’t changed at this point, Van Flein says.

 

[vibiker]

She tried to have a librarian fired because she refused to ban books that Palin found inappropriate.

Golly, that sound like more left-wing blog propaganda to me. Any facts to back that one up?

 

[Transcend]

Golly, that sound like more left-wing blog propaganda to me. Any facts to back that one up?

It was posted on most major news sites about 3-4 weeks ago. She actually DID fire the librarian, but was forced to rehire her after public outrage. Everyone interviewed the librarian.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

tein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

ABC

In her first public statement since Palin was named the GOP vice-presidential candidate, Mary Ellen Baker said today, "I simply do not recall a conversation with specific titles," Baker told ABCNews.com.

Palin has acknowledged she twice raised the issue in 1996 of how books could be removed from the shelves, but said it was only a "rhetorical question" and that she did not ask for any books to be banned.

Palin's church at the time, the Assembly of God, had been pushing for the removal a book called "Pastor I Am Gay" from local bookstores, according to the book's author Pastor Howard Bess, of the Church of the Covenant in nearby Palmer, Alaska.

"And she was one of them," said Bess, "this whole thing of controlling information, censorship, that's part of the scene," said Bess.

According to coverage in the local newspaper, the Frontiersman, Palin asked the librarian at a meeting "if she would object to censorship even if people were circling the library in protest about a book."

The report quotes the librarian as responding, "I told her clearly I will fight anyone who tries to indicate what books can go on the library shelves."

The same week that Palin raised the issue she fired Baker (then using her married name Emmons) as librarian, claiming she was not "loyal" to the new administration and had supported Palin's opponent in the election. She said the dismissal was not connected to questions of censorship, and that she had dismissed all city department heads and told them they could re-apply for their jobs.

After a public outcry, Palin rescinded the dismissal of the librarian.

The local newspaper reporter who covered the controversy, Paul Stuart, claims he was later told by the librarian that Palin wanted three specific books removed from the library.

Times

Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.

Anne Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Golly, that sound like more left-wing blog propaganda to me. Any facts to back that one up?

you can wade thru all that or go straight to the heart of the matter on the liberal FactCheck.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time.

The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

 

[$tinkle]

whatever you do, don't click the link to this well sourced site: http://powerlineblog.com/

</fingers in ears>

 

[vibiker]

you can wade thru all that or go straight to the heart of the matter on the liberal FactCheck.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Hey, stop confusing this thread with facts.

 

[N8 v2.0]

whatever you do, don't click the link to this well sourced site: http://powerlineblog.com/

</fingers in ears>

wrong thread n00b

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3072725#post3072725

 

[ohio]

i am sorta thinking ur choices there might be kinda biased..

It may well not be an exhaustive list. Feel free to add another possibility.

 

[$tinkle]

wrong thread n00b

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3072725#post3072725

shades of gray.


that's right - i said it.

 

[ohio]

whatever you do, don't click the link to this well sourced site: http://powerlineblog.com/

</fingers in ears>

Sour grapes?

Statewide, Democrats are doing better than the GOP in new converts — even in traditionally Republican counties. There have been 218,749 newly registered Democrats in North Carolina since January — more than five times the 38,337 new Republicans, state records show. ...

I'd like to credit the Dems with this and congratulate them on finally being better than the Republicans at electioneering, but I think most of the credit for the surge (heh) goes to Iraq and Fannie Mae.

 

[$tinkle]

Sour grapes?

 

[N8 v2.0]

It may well not be an exhaustive list. Feel free to add another possibility.

you know very well you left off the 'loco sucks' option

 

[X3pilot]

Hey! vbiker is back!!

Now, somebody go get curtix and freightGOD..

 

[JohnE]

I agree with Sanjuro...IF she is qualified, why is the GoP hiding her from any real exposure to the media? Katie Couric lobbing softballs that she cant even make contact with just doesnt convince that she is even qualified to be a Cub Scout Den Mother, much less VPOTUS or even worse, POTUS after Johnny Mac strokes out...

Honestly, if the GoP had picked a more seasoned and experienced VPOTUS hopeful, maybe someone with some titles a little more intimimdating then Ms. Congenialty in their background, I maybe could have gotten on board. Maybe.

We are an international laughing stock now after 8 years of GWs idiocy, why continue the trend? Do you honestly think she would be taken seriously on the international stage?

 

[Westy]

I agree with Sanjuro...IF she is qualified, why is the GoP hiding her from any real exposure to the media? Katie Couric lobbing softballs that she cant even make contact with just doesnt convince that she is even qualified to be a Cub Scout Den Mother, much less VPOTUS or even worse, POTUS after Johnny Mac strokes out...

Honestly, if the GoP had picked a more seasoned and experienced VPOTUS hopeful, maybe someone with some titles a little more intimimdating then Ms. Congenialty in their background, I maybe could have gotten on board. Maybe.

We are an international laughing stock now after 8 years of GWs idiocy, why continue the trend? Do you honestly think she would be taken seriously on the international stage?

Rumour is that McCain really wanted to select Leiberman but the neocon crowd would have all voted for Obama just to spite him. He had to pick a highly functioning right wing retard to keep those few key people faithful to the current administration.

 

[JohnE]

My favorite rumour is that Karl Rove and the boys are deliberately throwing the election, because the Dems cant possibly repair GWs damage in 4 years alone. 4 years from now, new GoP candidate comes along, blames all teh crap on the sitting POTUS, the sheople agree, bam, GoP takes back the Oval Office...

 

[Defenestrated]

I was unaware that Palin had experience in governing on the Federal level. You know, being entrusted to represent more than say... a million people?

 

[JohnE]

620k, give or take a few in AK...

 

[Westy]

My favorite rumour is that Karl Rove and the boys are deliberately throwing the election, because the Dems cant possibly repair GWs damage in 4 years alone. 4 years from now, new GoP candidate comes along, blames all teh crap on the sitting POTUS, the sheople agree, bam, GoP takes back the Oval Office...

It certainly is a ****ty time to take the helm. But if things do recover a 2nd term is almost guaranteed. I'm more confident in Obama as pres than the Dems with a strong margin in Congress. I'd say his greatest challenge will be herding his own party.

 

[vibiker]

I was unaware that Palin had experience in governing on the Federal level. You know, being entrusted to represent more than say... a million people?

So the experience that the #1 guy has is "leading" his campaign of 2500 people, while the other tickets's #2 person oversaw over 20,000 state workers.

At least be honest why you dislike Gov. Palin or her views.

 

[Cant Climb]

I kind of thought at the time in 2004 the DEMS were throwing Kerry out there for slaughter and were planning on a landside for Hilary in 2008....maybe they had a guage on Obama even back then, i didn't see it though....

 

[Samirol]

So the experience that the #1 guy has is "leading" his campaign of 2500 people, while the other tickets's #2 person oversaw over 20,000 state workers.

At least be honest why you dislike Gov. Palin or her views.

I'll straight up say that Palin, from the debates and interviews, does not appear to know what the hell is happening in the world or anything about policy. That is extremely troubling.

The troopergate scandal is heating up, as more and more information is shown that she abused her power as governor, it doesn't exactly show that she is capable.

 

[Westy]

I'll straight up say that Palin, from the debates and interviews, does not appear to know what the hell is happening in the world or anything about policy. That is extremely troubling.

The troopergate scandal is heating up, as more and more information is shown that she abused her power as governor, it doesn't exactly show that she is capable.

She is the next incarnation of GWB. That is why she scares the hell out of me.

 

[Samirol]

She is the next incarnation of GWB. That is why she scares the hell out of me.

She is the evil of Dick Cheney without the competence

 

[vibiker]

I'll straight up say that Palin, from the debates and interviews, does not appear to know what the hell is happening in the world or anything about policy. That is extremely troubling.

The troopergate scandal is heating up, as more and more information is shown that she abused her power as governor, it doesn't exactly show that she is capable.

So Joe Biden is your idea of experience? The guy is either a liar or delusional. He has spent too much time down at Home Depot and Katie's Cafe (sorry, that place closed down 20 years ago).
So what if you have been in the Senate for decades. What good is experience if you are wrong. Wrong about the Constitution, wrong about Iraq.


As for Tazer-Gate, that will play out. None of us know right now, but it sure smells political to me.
BTW, do you HONESTLY think that Tazer-Gate is more important than
0bama's link to ACORN and Bill Ayers and Raila Odinga?

 

[Samirol]

So Joe Biden is your idea of experience? The guy is either a liar or delusional. He has spent too much time down at Home Depot and Katie's Cafe (sorry, that place closed down 20 years ago).
So what if you have been in the Senate for decades. What good is experience if you are wrong. Wrong about the Constitution, wrong about Iraq.


As for Tazer-Gate, that will play out. None of us know right now, but it sure smells political to me.
BTW, do you HONESTLY think that Tazer-Gate is more important than
0bama's link to ACORN and Bill Ayers and Raila Odinga?

Joe Biden has had a long, good, career in the Senate, and done a lot of good work. Iraq is going terribly right now, don't believe me, believe the Iraqis. The U.S and U.N is offering 1800 bucks, a free plane ticket, a job, a home, and 120 bucks a month to Iraqi refugees in Syria to return back. So far, there have been no takers.

Yes, Palin committed a clear abuse of power, Obama didn't do anything bad while in ACORN, his connections to Bill Ayers and Raila Odinga are desperate fishing attempts because they are down in the polls 11 points according to Gallup's daily tracking.

I wish the Weathermen blew up more buildings.

edit: There was a Republican majority that started the investigation, by the way.

 

[vibiker]

I wish the Weathermen blew up more buildings.

At least you are being honest.

 

[$tinkle]

I wish the Weathermen blew up more buildings.

which ones? dirksen? longworth? russel? hart? cannon?

more curious: you chose to write it in terms of an organization destroying structures for political reasons. would you be as understanding to someone who would care to bomb more abortion clinics?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

exactly why obama's minister j. wright is in the discussion maroon.

I'm actually kind of glad you missed my point.

 

[stevew]

 

[Defenestrated]

N 8 watches the Colbert Report un-ironically.

 

[$tinkle]

so i found this curious, but only now did it sink in:

When Sen. McCain is proposing tax cuts that would give the average Fortune 500 CEO an additional $700,000 in tax cuts, that's not sharing a burden.

And so part of the problem, I think, for a lot of people who are listening here tonight is they don't feel as if they are sharing the burden with other folks.

I mean, you know, it's tough to ask a teacher who's making $30,000 or $35,000 a year to tighten her belt when people who are making much more than her are living pretty high on the hog.

And that's why I think it's important for the president to set a tone that says all of us are going to contribute, all of us are going to make sacrifices, and it means that, yes, we may have to cut some spending, although I disagree with Sen. McCain about an across-the-board freeze. That's an example of an unfair burden sharing. That's using a hatchet to cut the federal budget.

I want to use a scalpel so that people who need help are getting help and those of us, like myself and Senator McCain, who don't need help, aren't getting it.

That's how we make sure that everybody is willing to make a few sacrifices.

he makes it sound like we all have a burden to bear, & that we're all going to tighten up the belt, but then he says he & mccain are going to actually bear the burden. so you get the credit for the burden, but you just don't actually having to pay anything.

this guy's good.

 

[syadasti]

this guy's good.

Palin isn't

&#8220;You said recently that higher taxes or asking for higher taxes or paying higher taxes is patriotic. In the middle class of America, which is where Todd and I have been all of our lives, that&#8217;s not patriotic.&#8221;

I only wish she had been asked: &#8220;Governor Palin, if paying taxes is not considered patriotic in your neighborhood, who is going to pay for the body armor that will protect your son in Iraq? Who is going to pay for the bailout you endorsed? If it isn&#8217;t from tax revenues, there are only two ways to pay for those big projects &#8212; printing more money or borrowing more money. Do you think borrowing money from China is more patriotic than raising it in taxes from Americans?&#8221; That is not putting America first. That is selling America first.

Sorry, I grew up in a very middle-class family in a very middle-class suburb of Minneapolis, and my parents taught me that paying taxes, while certainly no fun, was how we paid for the police and the Army, our public universities and local schools, scientific research and Medicare for the elderly. No one said it better than Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: &#8220;I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization.&#8221;

I can understand someone saying that the government has no business bailing out the financial system, but I can&#8217;t understand someone arguing that we should do that but not pay for it with taxes. I can understand someone saying we have no business in Iraq, but I can&#8217;t understand someone who advocates staying in Iraq until &#8220;victory&#8221; declaring that paying taxes to fund that is not patriotic.

How in the world can conservative commentators write with a straight face that this woman should be vice president of the United States? Do these people understand what serious trouble our country is in right now?

Whether or not I agree with John McCain, he is of presidential timber. But putting the country in the position where a total novice like Sarah Palin could be asked to steer us through possibly the most serious economic crisis of our lives is flat out reckless. It is the opposite of conservative.

And please don&#8217;t tell me she will hire smart advisers. What happens when her two smartest advisers disagree?

And please also don&#8217;t tell me she is an &#8220;energy expert.&#8221; She is an energy expert exactly the same way the king of Saudi Arabia is an energy expert &#8212; by accident of residence. Palin happens to be governor of the Saudi Arabia of America &#8212; Alaska &#8212; and the only energy expertise she has is the same as the king of Saudi Arabia&#8217;s. It&#8217;s about how the windfall profits from the oil in their respective kingdoms should be divided between the oil companies and the people.

At least the king of Saudi Arabia, in advocating &#8220;drill baby drill,&#8221; is serving his country&#8217;s interests &#8212; by prolonging America&#8217;s dependence on oil. My problem with Palin is that she is also serving his country&#8217;s interests &#8212; by prolonging America&#8217;s dependence on oil. That&#8217;s not patriotic. Patriotic is offering a plan to build our economy &#8212; not by tax cuts or punching more holes in the ground, but by empowering more Americans to work in productive and innovative jobs. If Palin has that kind of a plan, I haven&#8217;t heard it.