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I'm not a fan of cut-and-run, but this is a great quote

Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by jimmydean, Nov 17, 2005.

  1. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Hawkish Democrat Calls for Iraq Pullout
    http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20051117/D8DUC3C81.html
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    Murtha, a Marine intelligence officer in Vietnam, angrily shot back at Cheney: "I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."
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    I agree 100%. It's one of the things that bothers me most about this administration. So much so, that I ended my military career for good.
     

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  2. Reactor

    Reactor Turbo Monkey

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    here's a good one...

    "The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion," Murtha said.

    That pretty much sums up the current administration.
     
  3. N8 v2.0

    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    I can relate to leaving the service because of the President.

    I left because of Clinton.
     
  4. reflux

    reflux Turbo Monkey

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    Why? I ask only because I'm not very familiar with what were his armed forces policies. Thanks.
     
  5. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    I got a real job during the Clinton years, so in a way, I left then too (active duty Navy).
     
  6. stinkyboy

    stinkyboy Plastic Santa

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    You didn't want a pay raise?
     
  7. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    I think he's afraid of BJs.
     
  8. ohio

    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    Nah, he cut down their size and funding pretty significantly. Something that, apparently, is far worse than sending them all to their deaths over a non-existent cause.
     
  9. stinkyboy

    stinkyboy Plastic Santa

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    I read that the Senate went into closed session 9 TIMES regarding the BJ and the blue dress, but it's outrageous for a Dem to close it down once regarding national security...
     
  10. DRB

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    All cuts started by Bush Sr.
     
  11. stinkyboy

    stinkyboy Plastic Santa

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    He cut overall spending, but the soldiers DID recieved raises. Let's not blur the facts.

    Has GWB given the soldiers anything? A raise? Body armor? An exit plan?
     
  12. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    But if it wasn't for don't ask don't tell they never would have let you in.
     
  13. Jabuttri

    Jabuttri Monkey

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    Has america ever had a good exit strategy for any war? we ran from viet nam and in world war 2 and korea we stayed after it was over.
     
  14. valve bouncer

    valve bouncer Master Dildoist

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    I suspect it will only take a large number of troops being killed in a single incident (troop transport shot down or such forth) before the calls to bring the troops become too strong to ignore. Sucks to be Bush I guess, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Can't say I feel sorry for him though, he was warned.
     
  15. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    Sucks to be Bush? Sucks to be an Iraqi. Going to war in Iraq was as bad idea, leaving while things are unstable is pretty much retarded.
     
  16. H8R

    H8R Cranky Pants

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    High goddamn five.

    I just blew hot chocolate out my nose you dick!

    :)
     
  17. sanjuro

    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    So why did you leave?

    President did not serve in military? (Bush in Nat Guard, never left country)

    President ineffectual when military force was required? (Iraq - 2000+ American soldiers killed)

    President lied? (Where are the WMD?)

    Or because you thought Clinton was weak on gays in the military?
     
  18. kinghami3

    kinghami3 Future Turbo Monkey

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    Is there any country that has a good exit strategy? Even in the case of an Augustinian just war, there's no good way out of that kind of situation.
     
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    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    I think the thing about Murtha's announcement is the battle for hearts and minds.

    I did not serve in the military, and one could say I might not understand the need for war. With that same thinking, John Murtha did serve and he has more right to speak than someone who has not fought in a war.

    Much of the Iraqi War has been PR. We went in because of our belief in WMD, not an actual attack. We continued fighting because the belief without America, Iraq would return to despotic rule.

    Now Murtha is changing this opinion, and possibly Americans can return as soon as possible.
     
  20. MikeD

    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    He offered the chance to be even more extra-patriotic by earning less combat pay. They of all people understand the sacrifices that need to be made during times of record profit for some private industries and gross government overspending.
     
  21. DRB

    DRB unemployed bum

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    Hey look the White House is using Reactor tactics...

    The White House responded a statement that recognized Murtha as
    and called it
     
  22. Reactor

    Reactor Turbo Monkey

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    Typical pro-war hypocracy.
     
  23. DRB

    DRB unemployed bum

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    Interesting that a fellow Republican gets it. Chuck Hagle said the following in a speech to the CFR.

    Thought I wonder if he has been reading his Teddy Roosevelt a little too closely...

     
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    Reactor Turbo Monkey

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    Yeah. They have learned that attacking the character of a medal wining war fighting veteran doesn't work so well. Now they praise the person but paint him as baffled, confused or supporting a misinformed, illogical position.
     
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    DRB unemployed bum

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    Can you say James Stockdale.
     
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    Reactor Turbo Monkey

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    He was one tough Son of a Gun. Tried to kill himself rather than be used in propaganda videos.
     
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    reflux Turbo Monkey

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    I asked N8 the same question on page one, must've accidently skipped over it...
     
  28. DRB

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    So US troops leaving Iraq is going to help the situation?
     
  29. Heath Sherratt

    Heath Sherratt Turbo Monkey

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    Not according to the Vote just taken in the House yesterday. 403-3 voting to stay until the government in stable. Democrats are now on the record as supporting the war. It just doesn't make any sense trying to split a nation at war. It's good that someone finally had the mind to make the politicians put their money where their mouths are. To pull out now would be irresponsible. Did his title say "intelligence officer"? Explain how pulling out now would be intelligent?
     
  30. DRB

    DRB unemployed bum

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    Is that what they did? It was an idiotic political stunt that would have had the troops pulled out and returned immediately. There was no debate. To call it support of the President's current policy is inaccurate. It actually seems very much like a GOP plan to do anything... not really a plan as much as a blind elephant being shot in the ass with a .22.

    The fact of the matter is that right now there is no exit strategy. There is no timeline of things that need to happen to get the troops home. Its rudderless right now and it seems that the policy is to leave our troops in harms way forever in Iraq.

    As for John Murtha. I'm pretty sure that I would take John Murtha's intelligence, experience and knowledge over yours everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Unlike some directing the overall policy of this war, he has actually been there and done that. I'm sure though that'll they will drag him thru the mud and try to ruin his reputation. Its about par for the course.
     
  31. Transcend

    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    You could have had you shipped off to iraq to die for no reason under your current president, bet that makes you wish you stayed in huh?
     
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    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    That isn't supporting the war, or it's policies...it is called being a responsible nation. you made the damn mess, now clean it the hell up.
     
  33. DRB

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    So apparently there is an exit strategy. It will apparently be entirely decided by the military commanders in the field.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10127021/

    But what will spark their decision? Reduced attacks? Operation readiness of Iraqi troops?

    So I take it back there is still no plan. Where the hell is my .22?