How much outrage was there? I don't remember too much. Just mockery, if anything.
I'm tired of Muslims claiming special rights
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or we wouldn't have such rampant anti-semitism if your people had done your part in dachau, auschwitz, treblinka, buchenwald, etc.
we all have a role to play.
There was mucho governmental condemnation, protests and even some frothing on this board.
Do you guys actually get any news over there?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6172889.stm
rush limbaugh is on 700 channels. does that count?
Only if your IQ is less than 3 figures.
how does initial minus sign factor into that?
If you have to ask...
So, no burning stuff down? No mass protests by swarms of Jews in front of Iranian embassies burning Ahimegisidnfa or whatever the **** his name is in effigy?
The difference is telling, isn't it? And you can't charge me with being a partisan for Christians or religious Jews...
(I didn't notice a condemnation for William Donohoe and the Catholic League...even though I'm sure they believe the holocaust happened. I guess that's probably because they wish that Hitler would have finished what he started...)
I agree, there is a huge difference in the scale and type of protest, the point that I was making was that it is not only Muslims that are offended by speech/writing.
The reasons for the difference in response may bear further discussion.
I thought THAT was the point of the thread?
EDIT: The response was, "hey, file criminal charges against this guy who crapped on our book."
Go to Austria and deny the holocaust then. Or simply forgive me for adding another dimension to the debate.
What does Austria have to do with NY, USA?
No more or less than the rest of the world that the US sees fit to treat as its backyard.
casting call for sound of music was in ny
WTF?
This situation happened in NY, that's where criminal charges should or should not occur.
See, in our country, you can toss the Quran in a toilet, you can submerge a crucifix in a fish tank of piss, you deny the holocaust.
So what did I miss that somehow made this a case of free speech in other countries?
So does this forum now allow reference only to US domestic events and issues? The point is that it is not only Muslims that 'demand' special treatment (globally).
We've previously established that free speech is a myth anyway; start yourself a website inciting assassination of the POTUS and see how quickly your freedom of speech evaporates.
BTW - it was a stolen Koran.
When did the rest of the world become relevant?
When you invaded/colonised it...?
but that seems to be cropping over & again in this thread, and others past. who else (globally) has made similar demands? (forgive my ignorance, rush won't read the daily mail to his minions on the air)
it's not protected speech, however. i believe we're collectively asserting "defiling" the koran is.
is this relevant to the charges?
Well, you can toss a Koran that you own into a toilet that you own. I'm perfectly fine with charging this guy with vandalism or mischief. After all, it's not his toilet. If he wanted to make a point about the Koran, he could have done it in a way that didn't make the janitor's day ****tier, y'know.
Israel for one? There are almost 6 million examples of Israelis or their supporters responding to any criticism of the way Israel behaves with charges of anti-semitism.
heaven forbid someone should come to the aid of those whiney jews who have to face the ongoing reality of terrorism (albeit declining) in a land space the size of new jersey.
has any legitimate threat come from anyone openly calling for the extermination of muslims and/or islamic nations?
I'd be ok with it if we weren't sending over the helicopters and bombs that they happen to be using to kill a bunch of kids. But, like I've said before, if you kill an Arab when he's young, he'll never grow up to be a terrorist. This is especially true of Iranians. (Think that worm is too obvious?)
For the second question: The PNAC? Also see: Iraq War 2003-Rapture.
Well, seeing how Silver has addressed part of your post I'll content myself with pointing out that if someone starts a thread singling out Muslims then it should not be surprising that someone else point out that Muslims are not unique in the context.
It's all about context, see?
wrt iran, you may have a point:
U.S. Set to Offer Huge Arms Deal to Saudi Arabia
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I don't have a problem with Muslims being offended by the cartoon; hell, I expect them to be. It's offensive.
The difference is that much of the Muslim protest focused not on opposing the content of his speech, but in expressing outrage that cartoonist was permitted to publish it it by his government, attempting to bully the government into censoring him, and calling for specific violence against the particular cartoonist, his publication, and the Danish government and populace.
In response to being offended at being typecast as violent, intolerant bullies.
Said the same thing myself before, but wanted to add an emphatic +1to this again. I'm more offended by his affronts to public property than any insult to any religion.
You're so disappointing. Iranians aren't Arabs. Of course, since our President still hasn't figured out that there is more than one kind of raghead, I guess it's one of them "academic" questions that only the eggheads worry about, right?
By the way, wasn't the whole gist of the PNAC basically that we needed to go **** up a country in the middle east somewhere to get the attention of all those Muslims? Didn't really matter which one, and since Saddam was now a bastard who wasn't our bastard, Iraq worked well as the demonstration case?
Sort of like the drunk Irish guy at a bar loudly telling everyone how he's offended by the stereotype of the drunk Irishman, isn't it? I do suspect the irony is lost on those type of folk.
I'm pretty sure that it was for demonstration purposes, but to establish a large, permanent US military presence in the ME.
Israel's not enough?
We're in agreement. However, they're not the first group to take it to the law, it's just that this is the first time (that I know of) that the law has acceded to the demands. So I'm pissed at the government, not the Muslims (who, limited to this NY geographic area, are no more or less whiney little bitches than many other groups).
There's a large US military presence in Israel?
OMG, here comes some Israel is the US's puppet. Wow, clever.
PNAC wanted more, a lot more.
Other way around...
So, if you're interpretation is correct, all that the PNAC signatories managed to do is kill more Americans than than Osama did, along with a number of Iraqi dead that has climbed into at least the six figure range.
Makes you wonder who the terrorists really are sometimes, doesn't it?
That's a dangerously limited viewpoint. A growing number of mainstream Muslims...not simply the [growing] violent fringe training in camps in the middle of nowhere to kill you...disavow any allegiance or loyalty to any particular Western government, and claim the only authority they answer to is the Koran and Sharia law, and that the only group to which they belong is the ummah.
Check out www.ummah.com...you'll see a lot of young, western-born Muslims, tech-savvy and intelligent, who think it's illegal for, say, the British government to exist and/or put Muslims on trial for bombing British soldiers abroad or citizens at home. The problem is that the consituency of the site isn't the fringe...this isn't like visiting the Aryan Nation forum and taking it to be mainstream white America's viewpoint. These are the views of a significant and growing portion of the worldwide Muslim population.
Can you break that down/make it clearer?
Follow the logic, assume all is true:
-- middle east is packed with terrorists
-- terrorists are funded/backed by 3-4 ME countries.
-- Eventually, those countries will join the war against the USA when those terrorists have weakened and spread US resources thin.
IF that's true, the the loss of human life was a justified expense in a pre-emptive strike.
Obviously, that's no where near 100% true, but that was the thinking behind PNAC.
just sayin'.
What's unclear about it?