[Toshi]

pnj: one good reason for both you and your wife to vote would be to lift up the pathetic voter turnout statistics a bit. perhaps politicians would pay more attention to us, the people, if we didn't seem so apathetic.

 

[ohio]

They walk talk crap and look like ducks.........

So they cannot be terrorists because they are from thier same country?

Perhaps my post was too long-winded. They are not terrorists because they are engaging military or police targets. The goal is a military one. Terrorism engages civilian targets with the psychological goal of creating terror and indirectly affecting political (not military) decisions.

I agree much came from outside...and their are tribal groups. All are using terror tactics to fight their battles.....with little regard for civilians.

The militant tribal groups are NOT using terror tactics. They are using guerrilla tactics. There is a huge difference.

The terrorists are the Islamic fundamentalists perpetrating the kidnappings/beheadings. This is a much smaller group, from the outside, with the goal of affecting American psychology. They couldn't care less about the Iraqi government, and will not be satisfied simply with US withdrawal.

 

[Changleen]

Good post

 

[fluff]

Very well written fluff.

Except one part bugged me...
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If you choose between Kerry and Bush you are choosing between an ideology that pays no more than lip service to 98% of the population (Republican) and an ideology that pays slightly more than lip service to that same 98% of the population (Democrat).
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The whole article tells me you are disgusted at politics as they exist in the world.....and rightfully so.

The part I seperated out tells me you are a disgusted at the political world LIBERAL. It is really a strongly opinionated statement and is little than the Yin to N8's Yang ) I thought that last bit was funny) That whole bit directly above is just more partisian babble.

But, all in all, the majority of the post I can relate to to a degree and I thank you for typing it.

If you've been paying attention Rhino you'd know that I'm left leaning though I consider myself a socialist rather than a liberal. And I stand by the part you didn't like. If you think that the Republican party cares more about the have-nots than the Democrats then you've swallowed the spin - hook, line, sinker and copy of Angling Times. neaky:

Here's one little example of the way the Republicans reward the haves (big business owners) and un-rewards the have-nots:

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By Greg Palast - www.gregpalast.com - a rather good website:

THE GRINCH THAT STOLE LABOR DAY FROM VETERANS
I know you won't believe this, but our President told a whopper in New York by Greg Palast An update of our report from last Labor Day.

Monday, September 6, 2004 - In celebration of the working person's holiday, Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao has announced the Bush Administration's plan to end the 60-year-old law which requires employers to pay time-and-a-half for overtime.

I'm sure you already knew that -- if you happened to have run across page 15,576 of last year's Federal Register.

According to the Register, where the Bush Administration likes to place its little gifts to major campaign donors, 2.7 million workers will lose their overtime pay*for a "benefit" of $1.53 billion. I put "benefit" in quotes because, in the official cost-benefit analysis issued by Bush's Labor Department, the amount employers will now be able to slice out of workers' pockets is tallied on the plus side of the rules change.

President Bush announced in his convention acceptance speech in New York this week that he was changing overtime rules to give workers "comp time" off, instead of pay. He forgot to mention that a couple of days before, on August 23, his Labor Department had already put in half the plan -- eliminating overtime pay for millions -- while failing to put into the regs one word about comp time. In the pre-September 11 days, we used to call what the President said, "lying."

Nevertheless, workers getting their pay snipped shouldn't complain, because they will all be receiving promotions. These employees will be re-classified as managers exempt from the law. The change is promoted by the National Council of Chain Restaurants. You've met these 'managers' - they're the ones in the beanies and aprons whose management decisions are, "Hold the lettuce on that."

NO OVERTIME IN BAGHDAD

My favorite of Chao's little amendments would re-classify as "exempt professionals" anyone who learned their skill in the military. In other words, thousands of veterans will now lose overtime pay. I just can't understand why Bush didn't announce that one when he landed on the aircraft carrier.

Now I should say that, according to Chao's press office, the changes will actually extend overtime benefits to 1.3 million burger flippin' managers. How does that square with the billion dollar "benefit" to business owners? Simple: The Chao hounds at the Labor Department suggest that employers CUT WAGES so that, added to the*new "overtime" pay, the employees won't actually take home a dime more.

I can hear the moaners and bleeding hearts saying this sounds like the Labor Department is telling Big Business how to evade the law. Yep, that's what the Department is doing. Right there on page 15,576 of the Federal Register it says,

"Affected employers would have four choices concerning potential payroll costs: ... (#4) converting salaried employees' basis of pay to an hourly rate that result in virtually no changes to the total compensation paid those workers."

And in case some employer is dense as a president and doesn't get the hint, Comrade Chao repeats, "The fourth choice above results in virtually no (or only a minimal) increase in labor costs."

For decades the courts have thrown the book at cheapskate bosses who chisel workers out of legal overtime by cutting base pay this way -- but now they'll have a new defense: Bush made me do it.

But then, there likely will not*be any cases against employers anyway since*Chao herself is supposedly the labor cop*whose job it is*to stop paycheck theft. She's well qualified for that job. Her resume reads, "Married to Republican Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky." I called her press office to ask if she qualifies for overtime, but they'd left the office early.

And there is good news for our sporting President. Word from the White House is he'll be golfing on the Labor Day weekend. Under Chao's rules he need not worry if he wants to replay that hole. "Exempt professionals" who cannot earn overtime - once defined as doctors, lawyers and those with specialized college degrees - will now include anyone who provides skilled advice ... like caddies ("You might try the other end of the club, Mr. President").

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Should you be fortunate enough to be within that other 2%, you could vote Bush to try and get a bigger slice of the pie, but you're fat enough already really, so why not try giving a **** about the rest of the world? (If you are in that 2%, wtf are you doing in this forum anyway?)

If, as is almost certain, you are in the 98% with the rest of us suckers, you may be a wannabe 2%-er and hence vote Buch in the misguided belief it'll get you a bigger slice of that pie, but given that the bigger slices are going to the 2% you are not part of, you'll just be screwing yourself as well as the rest of us.

So basically, if you're too blind to see the end of your nose, vote Bush. If you can see the end of your nose, vote Kerry.

yeah! it doesnt get any more true than that.

i like to listen to those US-ers who go around talking about how good the bush fiscal-irresponsability is. its like listening people going around screaming how good of a lover their latest rapist was.


there aint no free lunches in the universe.

specially for those 98%, they might save a few bucks, but in the end, its because they are getting a debt that will someday have to be paid, with interests and stuff. today or tomorrow, that deficit will have to be paid. and its cheaper to pay it now.

and if not paid with money, it will be paid with the blood of the meat-bullets soldiers of this country, who are usually mostly from that 98%, that are going to be sent to wars to regulate the markets, or better said, to regulate (reduce) the supply and to open markets in favor of those who lead the US.

intersting that people that go to the meat-grinder are usually the base of the pyramid in the US conservative US-interests-over-anything school of thought. yet, they feel like themselves in the top, like if they are part of the "US" in "US interests".

 

[Silver]

The militant tribal groups are NOT using terror tactics. They are using guerrilla tactics. There is a huge difference.

Not when you see the entire world in black and white, without nuance, there isn't.

By the way, I'm still waiting for the reclassification of the American Revolution as a terrorist uprising...to think we celebrate terror every year on July 4th...

 

[LordOpie]

fluff rules with his 2% post!

i like to listen to those US-ers who go around talking about how good the bush fiscal-irresponsability is. its like listening people going around screaming how good of a lover their latest rapist was.

holy sh:t :devil: you've been posting some good stuff lately

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

fluff rules with his 2% post!


holy sh:t :devil: you've been posting some good stuff lately

yeah, i dropped out of college, am back to the homeland. blood is pumping thru my brain again, alabama caused severe bloodclots.

 

[LordOpie]

yeah, i dropped out of college...

seriously?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

seriously?

yup, am thinking about openning my own business here in lima, and then travel to the US during the summers to finish college, or transferring next year to (hopefully) l´ecole polytechnique in france, if i cannot get enough to start the business i have in mind.

am a aerospace engineering major, and i dont plan to live in the US afterwards. Plus i cannot make a living out of AE in Peru. lol. so its kinda senseless to make it a priority, since its not gonna get my a job here anyway. plus i dont like living in the deep south.

anyway, it all depends on my capitalist, AKA mom. she pays the bills, and she has the last word.

and then they say southamerica is a machist society.