[Serial Midget]

What could possibly go wrong?

For me, facts is facts... I made far more money during the 8 Clinton years than I am likely to earn during the 8 Bush years.

Everything else aside... I like money and I want more.

 

[N8 v2.0]

you go girl!!!!

 

[$tinkle]

Everything else aside... I like money and I want more.

war is a pretty hot commodity these days. how exactly is hillary going to help with that?

i want a president who will bring back the good old days when it was ok to called the handicapped "cripples". we've even strayed from the correct usage of "idiot", which now has the word "profound" or "savant" attached to it. kinda polishes the turd, no?

 

[RenegadeRick]

war is a pretty hot commodity these days. how exactly is hillary going to help with that?

Iraq until 2013, baby. Plus Iran as a bonus.

Sounds awesome. lthumbsdown:

 

[LordOpie]

For me, facts is facts... I made far more money during the 8 Clinton years than I am likely to earn during the 8 Bush years.

Absolutely 100% true for me too.

During the Clinton years, I could land a job in my field within 24 hours that paid as well. During the Bush years, I was actually unemployed for 12-14 months in total, not consecutive, and at one point, I was washing pots and pans. The Bush economics suck.

 

[$tinkle]

Absolutely 100% true for me too.

During the Clinton years, I could land a job in my field within 24 hours that paid as well. During the Bush years, I was actually unemployed for 12-14 months in total, not consecutive, and at one point, I was washing pots and pans. The Bush economics suck.

since we're comparing dicks: my avg income during the clinton yrs was a quarter of my avg income for these ~6 bush yrs. also, i had crazy debt & no savings/retirement then, and have zero debt (save for house) & savings/retirement beyond those my age.

in 6 yrs i did this, & i'm not even a jew. what up, playa?

 

[LordOpie]

since we're comparing dicks: my avg income during the clinton yrs was a quarter of my avg income for these ~6 bush yrs. also, i had crazy debt & no savings/retirement then, and have zero debt (save for house) & savings/retirement beyond those my age.

in 6 yrs i did this, & i'm not even a jew. what up, playa?

I'm glad someone's eating off the fat of the war. You work for Halliburton yeah?





PS: mentioning my junk *shudder* and *puke*

 

[jimmydean]

Absolutely 100% true for me too.

During the Clinton years, I could land a job in my field within 24 hours that paid as well. During the Bush years, I was actually unemployed for 12-14 months in total, not consecutive, and at one point, I was washing pots and pans. The Bush economics suck.

Also, I ended my military career due to the impending direction it was headed under GWB as well.

Being a Vet used to be a selling point, now potential employers will "round file" a resume in a flash if Guard/Reserve is mentioned.

I don't see myself voting for Hillary though, but Obama would certainly help the world image of the US.

 

[kidwoo]

since we're comparing dicks: my avg income during the clinton yrs was a quarter of my avg income for these ~6 bush yrs. also, i had crazy debt & no savings/retirement then, and have zero debt (save for house) & savings/retirement beyond those my age.

But weren't you a smot poking bike messenger in the 90s?

 

[$tinkle]

But weren't you a smot poking bike messenger in the 90s?

thanks for not bringing up the spandex & wesley snipes biker cap

 

[Serial Midget]

but Obama would certainly help the world image of the US.

Yeah - Obama is a total hardcore lightweight.

 

[$tinkle]

Yeah - Obama is a total hardcore lightweight.

did you see him "dance" on ellen? *

he's obviously showing his white side.





*saw it on the Soup

 

[Serial Midget]

did you see him "dance" on ellen? *

he's obviously showing his white side.

Nobody does it like Boris...

 

[ire]

I'm voting for Rudy....I wanna see how many countries we can conquer in 4 years

 

[Serial Midget]

I'm voting for Rudy....I wanna see how many countries we can conquer in 4 years

What? They're running on the same liberal platform! I say vote for the one with the biggest balls!

 

[ire]

I say vote for the one with the biggest balls!

huh?

 

[stevew]

What? They're running on the same liberal platform! I say vote for the one with the biggest balls!

Hillary wins that easily.

 

[SDH]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Presidential policy has no or little effect on the economy especially the health of the markets which drive the economy.

Economic cyles usually run 3 to 7 years no matter who the president is...../was...........

Economics 201

 

[Reactor]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Presidential policy has no or little effect on the economy especially the health of the markets which drive the economy.

Economic cyles usually run 3 to 7 years no matter who the president is...../was...........

Economics 201

So...adding three or four trillion to the national debt, requiring the country to borrow that money and use taxes to pay interest on it for it, thereby sucking oh..200 billion additional dollars a year out of the national budget and causing us to not pursue an economic policy towards china and it;s currency manipulation because they own most of our debt and theyby losing millions of jobs to china, weaking the dollar, while simultaneously pursuing a war resulting in tripling oil prices doesn't effect the economy....


Just saying....

 

[$tinkle]

^^^ speaking of cherry-picking

 

[SDH]

So...adding three or four trillion to the national debt, requiring the country to borrow that money and use taxes to pay interest on it for it, thereby sucking oh..200 billion additional dollars a year out of the national budget and causing us to not pursue an economic policy towards china and it;s currency manipulation because they own most of our debt and theyby losing millions of jobs to china, weaking the dollar, while simultaneously pursuing a war resulting in tripling oil prices doesn't effect the economy....


Just saying....

Mixing apples and oranges

Let's go point for point

President does not unilaterally control the deficit/spending. Congress has the power of the purse, therefore Congress has much more effect on the spending, ie ear marks etc. increasing the deficit.

The reason we are losing millions jobs abroad is two fold, 1) we want cheap goods b/c the avg American has a insationable appetite for goods 2) the avg blue collar worker keeps pressing for higher wages, so companies must look abroad to remain competitive and produce the products for our appetite. We have met the enemy in losing jobs and the enemy is us.

As far as the weaking dollar, trade deficits is only one factor, lower interest rates is one of the primary facotrs. Lower interests rates on the cash markets shy away foreign investors on US currency therefore creating a surplus US dollars, weaking the dollar. In simple terms due to lower interest rates, no body wants to invest in our currency b/c the pay off is low. This knocks the luster off of the dollar and weakens it.

Oil prices increase b/c the dollar weakens. It is a vicious cycle.

Your last statement is contradictory, war is usually very good for an economy, puts a lot of money into the economy. Wait til the spending stops, then you will see a loss in jobs very similiar to when Clinton stopped the military spending in the early to mid nineties, remember how many people were out of work?

What people and the US public fail to realize is decisions made today are usually not felt for another business cycle (3-7) years, good or bad.

 

[Reactor]

Mixing apples and oranges

Let's go point for point

President does not unilaterally control the deficit/spending. Congress has the power of the purse, therefore Congress has much more effect on the spending, ie ear marks etc. increasing the deficit.

When a president's party controls both houses of congress, he veto's anything he doesn't like, and calls anyone who won't support his outrageous spending plan unpatriotic , the president does. The president has rode roughshod over the budget process for the last 6 years, proposing the budget, threatening congress, and involving us in a war that saps our budget, while sowing instability and fear in the world.

The reason we are losing millions jobs abroad is two fold, 1) we want cheap goods b/c the avg American has a insationable appetite for goods 2) the avg blue collar worker keeps pressing for higher wages, so companies must look abroad to remain competitive and produce the products for our appetite. We have met the enemy in losing jobs and the enemy is us.

And the president claims he'll veto any bill that reduced oil consumption while causing a war in the world's richest oil producing region..
Our trade imbalance is the largest factor in the weakening of the dollar. Oil and China are two of the largest factors. China is such a big factor because they manipulate their currency artificially to keep their prices as cheap as possible, driving American competitors out of business. We can't address their manipulation because we're in their debt.


Yes, and the commander in chief has had a great deal to do with it.

As far as the weaking dollar, trade deficits is only one factor, lower interest rates is one of the primary facotrs. Lower interests rates on the cash markets shy away foreign investors on US currency therefore creating a surplus US dollars, weaking the dollar. In simple terms due to lower interest rates, no body wants to invest in our currency b/c the pay off is low. This knocks the luster off of the dollar and weakens it.

Oil prices increase b/c the dollar weakens. It is a vicious cycle.

Your statement in nonsense, uninformed and shows a complete lack of analytical thinking. The dollar continually weakening because of china and oil deficits makes the dollar unattractive. To be attractive to foreign investment the interest rates would have to be astronomical, as the dollar is weakening at the rate of about 10% per year to the Euro for example. A European investor would want 15% or more interest rate just to get an effective 5% return rate. Would you like to see interest rates go up about 10%? or more? Is that at all realistic? No. You won't see external investment until the dollar becomes relatively stable limiting the risk of investing here. The deficit spending, oil and china trade imbalances must be addressed first, to halt the fall of the dollar.

Your last statement is contradictory, war is usually very good for an economy, puts a lot of money into the economy. Wait til the spending stops, then you will see a loss in jobs very similar to when Clinton stopped the military spending in the early to mid nineties, remember how many people were out of work?

Mixing apples and oranges. Wars that drive the government to the brink of bankruptcy usually result in a change of government. Either by external or internal force. You are basing your perception of war on a flawed understanding of war and what it means. This isn't a war it's an insurgency. We don't have an army of millions building huge amounts on new weaponry, instead we have a standing army using existing equipment, buying some replacement ammo. Hardly the huge stimulus you think it is. Of the money spent a lot of it is going out of the country to large multinationals, not staying within in the hands of workers on an assembly line, to be re-spent and invested.

 

[Serial Midget]

Hillary gives a great reach around.


I've heard.

 

[3D.]

I have an idea...

Hillbillry Clinton, Obama, and all the other fvck faces you see on your cable tv debate forum... don't vote for one of them.

 

[Silver]

You won't see external investment until the dollar becomes relatively stable limiting the risk of investing here. The deficit spending, oil and china trade imbalances must be addressed first, to halt the fall of the dollar.

Fun fact: The devaluing dollar has become the largest de facto default in history.

 

[Changleen]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Presidential policy has no or little effect on the economy especially the health of the markets which drive the economy.

Economic cyles usually run 3 to 7 years no matter who the president is...../was...........

Economics 201

I think you need 301...

 

[Changleen]

Congress has the power of the purse, therefore Congress has much more effect on the spending, ie ear marks etc. increasing the deficit.

Uhh, I think you should examine this statement more. Major policy is still largely determined by the prez is it not?

 

[Reactor]

I think you need 301...

I'm not sure he passed 201, yet.

 

[N8 v2.0]

meh.. the dollar was over valued hype anyway...

 

[SDH]

I think you need 301...

Oh, expert on US economy....................

Don't you live in a country that is considered a step above 3rd world?

 

[SDH]

Uhh, I think you should examine this statement more. Major policy is still largely determined by the prez is it not?

Nope, put that copy of the onion down................

Most policy is made by special interets groups and influence the prez and Congress. Congress can propose legislation for US policy as well and does.

You guys make the Prez up to be some despot. The US gov't does not work that way.

 

[ATOMICFIREBALL]

I'll go back in time & live in the 80's please !
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This world NOW sucks .
--Crappy music pretty much.
--Pansy liberal men who calls eveyone else a redneck.WTF is that .
--Padded playgrounds.
--30 million illegalls...No habla Espinola
--High gas prices..
--Wages are the same.
--Expensive War.( Just nuke em ! We only have 6000 ICBM's ! lol )
--U.N power play & trying to use the Global Warming hoax to do it.
--No liquer sold in my area.Have to drive 15 miles away. (Get with the times you old church going relics,dam it)!
--Eliteists'
--Pit Bulls
--TAXES
--Shaven headed ,butch,diesel dykes with stained white tank tops!!!

 

[Echo]

Oh, expert on US economy....................

Don't you live in a country that is considered a step above 3rd world?

slapped down by bachelor number 1, our contestent immediately goes after bachelor number 2

 

[firemandivi]

Democrats=take your money & give it to the poor
Republicans=take your money & give it to large corporations
either way you lose your money
Isn't government great

 

[SDH]

I'm not sure he passed 201, yet.

Since you are the expert is US economic policy and the finacial market's which drive the US economy, here is a test.

Interview anybody in the financial markets especially in the cash market and ask if the president's policy(s) grossly effect the US economy? Or rather is it based on interest rates?



PS
Your comments regarding the weaking dollar. Since we have a weak dollar that means that our goods are cheap overseas, therefore we should be making a killing selling our stuff over seas................how come this is not booming our economy? Selling our stuff to other countries.................

 

[narlus]

Nobody does it like Boris...

true words, my man...

 

[narlus]

Oh, expert on US economy....................

Don't you live in a country that is considered a step above 3rd world?

have you been to new zealand?

 

[SDH]

I'm not sure he passed 201, yet.

Since I am having a hard time passing 201 you may want to take this with a grain of salt.........

One major contributing factor that our economy is tanking is steeped in the false ecomonic boom of the late 90's. The boom was primary cause by the .com era and the flow of investment cash caused by the .com world wind. Investment cycles typically run 3-5 years, so since the .com era hit around 96-97 and then add 3 to 5 years which takes you to about 2001-2002. If you recall this is when the investment houses realized the emperor had no clothes on and started divesting in the .com's thus causing markets to fall and mutual funds heavily invested in technolgies to tank. Companies lost millions which effects there bottom line, which effects there ability to grow their business which effects employment rates. To keep stability, the fed lowered interest rates so companies can cheaply borrow money so the ecomony will not stall. This cheap interest and tanking markets drove up housing prices (people were investing in real estate rather than the markets), and were not curtailed by the gov't, once again another over inflated market that now is falling which will be effecting our economy today and in the future.

We are now paying for the over inflated booms that had no econimic substance (i.e .coms)

 

[firemandivi]

There are plus and negatives to the weak dollar.
Pro - it makes our products cheaper & increases tourism.
Con - it makes products from other countries more expensive and
countries that we have debt in like the 1.4 trillion China owns is now worth less money so they could sell our debt to someone else who could charge more interest.
All economies have highs and lows its called a cycle. No economy in the world could increase forever.

 

[SDH]

There are plus and negatives to the weak dollar.
Pro - it makes our products cheaper & increases tourism.
Con - it makes products from other countries more expensive and
countries that we have debt in like the 1.4 trillion China owns is now worth less money so they could sell our debt to someone else who could charge more interest.
All economies have highs and lows its called a cycle. No economy in the world could increase forever.

But this also pros and cons to a strong dollar. which is better? That is a debate that will continue forever.

Regarding economic cycles, agree 110%, that is what I was trying to explain above, regardless who the president is there is this thing called ecomonic cyles and they typically last 7- 9 years.