[LordOpie]

What's the negative issue with some sort of guest worker program?

Imagine if you needed 40 workers to harvest your crop for a month. You drive a bus down to the border, pick them up, give them room and board (obviously nothing fancy), a decent pay check and drop them back at the border when you're done.

Would it be that expensive to manage? Couldn't they make in that month of hard, 10 hour days for 25-30 days straight, what they make in nearly a year doing the same thing in Mexico? Then they can spend most of the year with their family in the land that they love and not worry about getting busted or paying some smuggler to get them here.

Isn't it a win-win? What am I missing?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

What's the negative issue with some sort of guest worker program?

Imagine if you needed 40 workers to harvest your crop for a month. You drive a bus down to the border, pick them up, give them room and board (obviously nothing fancy), a decent pay check and drop them back at the border when you're done.

Would it be that expensive to manage? Couldn't they make in that month of hard, 10 hour days for 25-30 days straight, what they make in nearly a year doing the same thing in Mexico? Then they can spend most of the year with their family in the land that they love and not worry about getting busted or paying some smuggler to get them here.

Isn't it a win-win? What am I missing?

I'm sure that it would be easier to "escape" from an orchard/ranch/etc. than try to walk across the desert...but I'm with ya in theory.

 

[LordOpie]

I'm sure that it would be easier to "escape" from an orchard/ranch/etc. than try to walk across the desert...but I'm with ya in theory.

I'm not advocating a slave system. They should be free to roam and spend money in the local economy.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I'm not advocating a slave system. They should be free to roam and spend money in the local economy.

Right...but what's to keep them there and not do what every other illegal does and jump ship and go get a full time gig somewhere else...then just have their family do the same thing...or pay for a coyote to get them across.

 

[LordOpie]

Right...but what's to keep them there and not do what every other illegal does and jump ship and go get a full time gig somewhere else...then just have their family do the same thing...or pay for a coyote to get them across.

A. Gotta start somewhere.
2. Some illegals really would prefer to live in Mexico and are here strictly for the money. Give them the resources to do just that.
#. Create a system that works for employers and then you can really fine/punish them for not following the system.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

A. Gotta start somewhere.
2. Some illegals really would prefer to live in Mexico and are here strictly for the money. Give them the resources to do just that.
#. Create a system that works for employers and then you can really fine/punish them for not following the system.

Hmmmm....i c. I must ponder.

 

[Slugman]

Since most Mexicans actually do not want to LIVE in the US, this is actually a great plan.

I hate to admit this publically - but Bush's plan is actually a good one.

 

[schweino1]

is not a good plan is just a copy of an old one called "bracero" program. people who lived in Mexico had special visas to work in the states.

 

[stinkyboy]

Yeah, most Mexicans would prefer to live in squalor with worthless plumbing with almost no chance at improving their lives.

 

[Slugman]

is not a good plan is just a copy of an old one called "bracero" program. people who lived in Mexico had special visas to work in the states.

Exactly - and they went home when the work was done. They didn't have to cross miles of rough/deadly terrain to get here. they didn't have to pay thousands of dollars for the trip, and they could go home without worrying about if they could get back in order to earn a wage.

Yeah, most Mexicans would prefer to live in squalor with worthless plumbing with almost no chance at improving their lives.

Although I know this a n8-esq troll...

Since the money they earn here goes a lot further down there, if they could legally come and go - they would be better off.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Isn't it a win-win? What am I missing?

am willing to bet most of them wont go back home, or will find a way to sneak out.

that is, unless you find some way to make them pay a "bond" if they do not return to mexico
but then, it would have to be a relatively high amount (5-10k maybe?) for them not to make economic sense to forfeit it by staying. but then again, mexicans wealthy enough to have that money for a bond wouldnt want to work those crappy jobs anyways.

 

[pinkshirtphotos]

with all these problems in china putting lead paint in toys, messing up dog treats, and toxic fabric wouldn't it make sense to put factories like this in mexico? either convince the mexican government to let us do that or invade their country and take over. that way the factories that produce goods for the states are closer. positive things that can happen from that? mexicans have plenty of jobs, companies can easily monitor their factories, shipping costs will go down, with less distance shipping less fuel is burned.

 

[LordOpie]

am willing to bet most of them wont go back home, or will find a way to sneak out.

Thing is, there's already like 11 MILLION illegals here. It's not like we're doing a good job.

with all these problems in china putting lead paint in toys...

great idea, but how about lining the border on the US side with those factories and letting those companies hire below minimum wage?

 

[$tinkle]

anybody been following the newark slayings of a couple weeks ago? not sure if i linked it, but have been following it. the thread-relative aspects are these:

nypost

August 23, 2007 -- The thugs who shot four college students in Newark reportedly preceded their sick attack by trying to sexually assault their two female victims.

The group of six assailants - who shot two men and a woman dead and wounded another woman - failed in their attempt at a sexual attack, and then decided to kill their victims, according to 1010 WINS radio.

Six suspects have now been charged in the Aug. 4 atrocity, in which the victims were blasted execution-style.

Yesterday, a family member of one of the slain victims, Iofemi Hightower, described the level of savagery of the attack. He said the thugs used a machete to hack their victims.

"They cut my niece's face off," said John McClain, who is Hightower's great-uncle, and the chaplain of the Newark Police Department. "They cut her from cheek to cheek. They left her head hanging."

McClain said the mortician told him he had to work for three days to put his grand-niece's face back together.

more here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/nyregion/20newark.html

as always, there's a silver lining: Immigration Checks Ordered in New Jersey

i know what you're thinking: "it's just a few rotten manzanas"

 

[blue]

A guest worker program will create an underclass (moreso than we have now) of immigrant laborers. That's totally what 'merica is about, y'know...

 

[LordOpie]

A guest worker program will create an underclass (moreso than we have now) of immigrant laborers. That's totally what 'merica is about, y'know...

WTF?

You're saying they would NOT make more money, have more benefits and more freedoms?

 

[blue]

WTF?

You're saying they would NOT make more money, have more benefits and more freedoms?

I'm saying that a guest worker program is not the solution.

Something along the lines of Ellis Island would be. However, they're brown...can't have that...

 

[fluff]

Do you not have unemployment in the USA?

 

[MMike]

Do you not have unemployment in the USA?

There's a chicken in every pot.

 

[Da Peach]

There's a chicken in every pot.

It's keeping them in there that takes most of the effort.