Immigration rallies

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  1. ire

    ire Turbo Monkey

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    I work in the Oregon Capitol, and there will be a rally right outside our building. Its kind of funny that they are fighting to become citizens, but all of their signs are in Spanish :crazy: Maybe they'll riot, that would be entertaining to see from my our building.
     
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  2. BMXman

    BMXman I wish I was Canadian

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    uh....nevermind
     
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  3. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    I wonder if they will be wearing badges.
     
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  4. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    See if you can get a deck built at your office or something.
     
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  5. ire

    ire Turbo Monkey

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    :rofl:

    I was actually hoping the roach coach would be out there, I'm hungry
     
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    throw a bunch of lotto tickets out the window for some firestarter
     
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  7. moff_quigley

    moff_quigley Why don't you have a seat over there?

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    I spit water down the front of my shirt because of this. Bwahahaha.
     
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  8. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    With that many mexicans, one should be along shortly.

    EDIT: Oh, that's what you were saying... me slow.
     
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  9. Upgr8r

    Upgr8r High Priest or maybe Jedi Master

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    They don' need no stinkin' badges
     
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  10. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    Ha! You and Westy make a good team.
     
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    When i see the banquet halls and colluseums on the news filled with brand new citizens waving flags, i'm truly proud of them and my country. I see all kinda of people in those crowns. Its not all Mexican, not even close. I feel like they have been vetted and earned my respect and i feel that they are loyal to America.

    But these damn Cinco de Mayo rallies full of takers really piss me off. I wish they would STFU, get to the back of the line, pay your dues, learn english and be loyal Americans. If you are not willing to do that, you need to be herded like the cattle you are are dropped off outside the country line.

    If they get in easy, they will not respect our country. Same theory as your parents GIVING you your first car or you having to earn and buy it yourself. Its the same thing.

    The naturalization process needs to be a difficult process to weed out the people who would not make good, productive citizens.

    Most of these people are not the building blocks you want as a foundation of a country. The sheer numbers of these takers is astounding. Most importantly is their lackadaisical attitude and unloyal attitude towards AMerica. These people dont give a shlt about America. They want to create Mexico on this side of the border. Their attitude will drown out your childrens voice in the years to come. Little bobby from the 'berbs will be learning english as a second language at this rate.

    All black, brown and white Americans need to take this matter seriously. Its truly F'd up.

    joel
     
  12. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Yeah! They should work for it like our ancestors did. Give us some pox blankets and call it a day.

    Like Reverend Wright said, unless you're a Native American, you're an immigrant too.
     
  13. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    Immigration Rally? Is that like 20 people jammed into an STI speeding for the boarder on a dirt road?
     
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    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    Except that indians had no formal govt, no formal claim to the land... big difference between immigrant and illegal immigrant.
     
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    i <3 this post
     
  16. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Yeah of course they didn't have a "formal" claim in the eyes of the people who draw up the formalities. :clue:
     
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    Westy the teste

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    Yep those injuns had no gubment, all just running around half neked like the heathens they were.
     
  18. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    God Bless jimmydean?

    no no no

    Gawd dayum jimmdean!
     
  19. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    Hey, they lost the war like every human 'civilization' on the planet has done to others or had done to them.


    I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between "illegal" and not.
     
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    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    It's funny you mention war, because I don't recall there actually being a "formal" one declared against "the indians."
    Most of the land grab came to fruition because settlers ILLEGALLY homesteaded on indian lands, and then the gov't later backed them up with firepower when they were confronted.
    Also, the constant reneges of "formal" treaties by the US gov't would pretty much be seen as illegal in any objective arena too.

    Just sayin'
     
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    and just how did they get it?

    also, just sayin'
     
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    well i was born in winchester, ma, so where exactly did i emigrate from?
     
  23. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    Yeah, umm, don't care.

    There is a formal and KNOWN process for entering this country.


    Hey look, that guy's boning an elephant.
     
  24. jimmydean

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    Because the reality is NOBODY owns land. You can claim the land, you can pay someone to say it's yours, but you can't own land.

    The Indians understood that concept.
     
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    imagine no possessions...

    edit: point is, if you can't own the land, you can't own the trees either. so how do carpenters morally conduct business? see where i'm going w/ that (or won't allow you to go w/ that?)?
     
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    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    You're missing the point... the difference is between illegal and legal immigrants.

    And...
     
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    Your moms womb and into America.....did you file the proper paperwork?
     
  28. ATOMICFIREBALL

    ATOMICFIREBALL DISARMED IN A BATTLE OF WITS

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    Indians were here first. Until the goofy British came over.

    Shoot the illegal mexican rally mob with a blowgun from your office window!:happydance: lol Nobody will ever know.
     
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    are you lumping eskimos/inuits w/ them too?
     
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    a riot didn't break out :plthumbsdown: stupid rallies
     
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    spincrazy I love to climb

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    Nothing like a thread like this to bring out that pent up rascism eh?
     
  32. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    Just coming back to Mexico in the 1800s:

     
  33. JRogers

    JRogers talks too much

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    Seriously.

    Some of you guys need to step back for a minute and remember that what America is has changed quite a bit since its creation. There's no underlying identity of "American" that we all need to think about hard enough so we can latch onto it. It's in flux and self-defined, constantly changing. Every time a new immigrant group comes in, there's resistance and fear. It happened with Eastern Europeans, Irish, Chinese and other Asians and now Mexicans and Central Americans.

    Also, regarding Indian land claims and all, there's all sorts of ways to justify genocide. Not that every Indian action was utterly innocent, but white Europeans came to the Americas, killed their way into power on a scale that Indian battles never reached before and then took the remainder and decided to treat them as second-class citizens for the rest of their lives. Great. Glad to see how awesome that worked out for Native Americans, who lost most of their religion, culture, language and population. Saying they had no "formal" claim to the land is absurd and imperialistic; as noted by someone else, the concept would have been unintelligeble to many Indians.
     
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    on that note, we actually were illegal immigrants in mexico before we took what is now known as texas.
     
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    I don't think anyone is justifying genocide. Indians were screwed over big time.
     
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    Ya know what, you're right. In fairness, we should give Texas back to Mexico.

    All in favor?
     
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    Let's trade Detroit to Canada for Vancouver while we are at it.
     
  38. Silver

    Silver find me a tampon

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    I got here legally, and I ****ing hate America...
     
  39. ire

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    Damn, looks like I'm moving to Washington

     
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    back then there was a great deal more ignorance & fear, yet it happened legally. today, while there is ignorance & fear, the greater concern is the capricious, flippant, cavalier, & selfish attitude of the illegal immigrants, whose numbers are stunningly excessive.
    not sure what you're saying here...is it that there are both good & bad natives (i agree), yet all europeans sought the natives' extermination (even implicitly)?
    do you think the white man held their hand & taught them a whole new concept known as land ownership/claims? essentially, your white guilt can be reduced to feeling sorry for any loser in a battle b/c they were out-armed, out-witted, out-numbered, out-educated, etc.

    but isn't it always this way?