In honor of the ICE raids, pray for our Nazi, manimal
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i read somewhere last night that using deterrents (such as tear gas) on asylum seekers violates some international laws, trying to confirm if this is accurate.
didn't say anything about them seeking asylum as refugees.
You know, Republicans had ample opportunity with both this president* and the former president to solve the issue by changing our laws so more people could be processed, allowed work visas, and then not be completely exploited by employers looking to skimp on taxes and insurance, but instead they refuse to do so because it drives racists morons their base to vote. These people on the border are desperate, and the US is doing everything in its power to prevent them from being able to request asylum or otherwise enter the country even semi-legally. Poverty and violence are not actual things you can use to apply for asylum but I doubt that most of these people even know that. I wonder how many of them are literate, frankly. Nope, these people shouldn't have tried to rush the border. But they are desperate, and when desperate people have nothing to lose, this kind of shit is what they do. There is no reason the US can only process 40 people each day. We've known these people were heading here for months, and yet nothing was done. It's all Faux news would talk about in the run of to midterms, so clearly Trump had heard about it. CBP could have added more staff to help the process. We also shouldn't be shooting tear gas canisters from the US into Mexico. This WHOLE situation could have been handled better, by literally everyone involved. But "Oh noez!" a dozen scary looking brown men wearing children's backpacks and carrying some rocks made a ruckus at a fence and now we need to treat San Yisdro like it's downtown Fallujah. Ignore the suffering all you want. Ignore the policy that made all this possible all you want. Dehumanize them all you want so that you can normalize and justify violence against people with literally nothing but what they have on their backs.
Can somebody throw me a ladder so I can get over 'squeeb's Rep wall?
Sure, they have no idea how things work....
This isn't a republican or a democrat problem, it's an american problem that both sides fail to act on.
This isn't a republican or a democrat problem, it's an american problem that both sides fail to act on.
I don't think you actually read that article.
Does that all read to you like shifty brown people who "know how things work" and are "taking advantage of the system", or maybe, just maybe, desperate people resorting to desperate measures?
Is that anything like "enhanced interrogation"?
How's that working out for HHS?
Now you can keep trying to frame the issue as some sort of both side-ism bull shit, or you can acknowledge that only one party, systematically refuses to engage in comprehensive, meaningful, immigration reform. And I don't mean some (R)douche attaches an "immigration policy" amendment to some spending bill and cries about how "democrats don't want immigration reform!", I mean real, genuine, Legislation and Policy. Only one party continues to use the issue in the frame of boogey man, pearl clutching, scapegoating/fear mongering and "cultural anxiety" to drive it's "base".
That reads to me like organized crime profiting off desperate people via the use of loopholes in our immigration policy.
So tell me, how would you solve the issue?
Say we grant immunity to everyone currently in country today, which I'm fine with as there's no putting that genie back in the bottle, how do you propose structuring future immigration?
Open the borders.
This is now a thread about corporate agriculture and/or the housing crash
WWSRD?
I don't know if I'd go quite as far as "open borders", but I'm certainly an advocate of a very liberal border policy. Lets regulate the exploiters, not the exploited. Want to come to this country for better opportunity, for an education, to provide for your family? Awesome. Submit a proof of identity, undergo a background check (or as much as one can be done), here is your tax ID number, welcome to the United States. Unlike what happened with the Reagan bill, actually make employers treat the entire work pool equitably and legally, and enforce employment law with an iron fist.
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What kills me about all of the pearl clutching is...
You can plan ahead to have huge amounts of military and ABC department manpower as was done.
But what they forgot...
Manpower for the actual locations that would be processing the claimants.
It is all fucking theater. If they were concerned they would plan ahead for asylum processing, but they don't, they do the same thing they do with regards to elections - close poling stations and make it harder.
The hell with the teargas - I'm betting they are trying to figure a way to get away with shooting brown people.
You can plan ahead to have huge amounts of military and ABC department manpower as was done.
But what they forgot...
Manpower for the actual locations that would be processing the claimants.
It is all fucking theater. If they were concerned they would plan ahead for asylum processing, but they don't, they do the same thing they do with regards to elections - close poling stations and make it harder.
The hell with the teargas - I'm betting they are trying to figure a way to get away with shooting brown people.
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/11/remember-we-are-gassing-children-so-that-trump-can-violate-a-court-order/?rf=1
"The law and the courts are clear: if you apply for asylum, you are entitled to due process of your claim. Trump can make all the threats he wants. He can make all the deals with Mexico he wants. If you make it to American soil and claim “sanctuary” you are entitled to a hearing.
Trump’s only strategy then is to keep people from making it here. And that’s why the gas canisters came out. Throwing pepper spray bombs at toddlers in diapers is Trump’s way of making an end-run around the American legal process."
Cause ---> effect.
It's not a long bow but perhaps a medium bow and refugee/migrant related.
an acquaintance just put up this post on Twitter it's worth reading and playing the music vid.
an acquaintance just put up this post on Twitter it's worth reading and playing the music vid.
Are you missing something?
Yes.
*facepalm*
Career opportunities available. Priesthood experience a plus.
"Most of the assault allegations involved one minor abusing another. But 178 of the complaints were against staff at the shelters."
Maybe a ban of immigrants from Catholic countries is in order.
That's not karma, that's schadenfreude.
Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities
Washington (CNN)The Trump administration pressured the Department of Homeland Security to release immigrants detained at the southern border into so-called sanctuary cities in part to retaliate against Democrats who oppose President Donald Trump's plans for a border wall, a source familiar with the discussions told CNN on Thursday.
Trump personally pushed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to follow through on the plan, the source said. Nielsen resisted and the DHS legal team eventually produced an analysis that killed the plan, which was first reported by The Washington Post.
The proposal is another example of Trump's willingness to enact hardline immigration policies to deliver on border security, a key issue for his political base. Thursday's reports come as the President has amplified his rhetoric on illegal immigration in recent weeks, even threatening to close the southern border if Congress and Mexico don't take action.
White House senior adviser Stephen Miller urged senior DHS officials to make the plan a reality, the source said. The plan finally died after Miller and other White House officials pushed it in February, according to the source.
Miller was angered that DHS lawyers refused to produce legal guidance that would make the plan viable, saying the proposal would likely be illegal.
DHS officials believe that the legal standoff is one reason why Miller has pushed for the firing of John Mitnick, the general counsel for DHS, who is still with the department.
A separate DHS official confirmed there was such a proposal. "These are human beings, not game pieces," the official said.
Asked to comment, a DHS spokesperson said, "This was a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion." Another DHS official briefed on the matter disputed that the proposal reached Nielsen.
Nielsen left DHS this week after she was forced to resign.
"Sanctuary city" is a broad term applied to jurisdictions that have policies in place designed to limit cooperation with or involvement in federal immigration enforcement actions. Cities, counties and some states have a range of informal policies as well as laws that qualify as "sanctuary" positions.
Most of the policies center on not cooperating with federal law enforcement on immigration policies. Many of the largest cities in the country have forms of such policies.
A spokeswoman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ripped Trump over the Thursday night reports.
"The extent of this administration's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated," Ashley Etienne said in a statement. "Using human beings — including little children — as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable, and in some cases, criminal. The American people have resoundingly rejected this Administration's toxic anti-immigrant policies, and Democrats will continue to advance immigration policies that keep us safe and honor our values."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/immigrant-detainees-sanctuary-cities/index.html
Washington (CNN)The Trump administration pressured the Department of Homeland Security to release immigrants detained at the southern border into so-called sanctuary cities in part to retaliate against Democrats who oppose President Donald Trump's plans for a border wall, a source familiar with the discussions told CNN on Thursday.
Trump personally pushed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to follow through on the plan, the source said. Nielsen resisted and the DHS legal team eventually produced an analysis that killed the plan, which was first reported by The Washington Post.
The proposal is another example of Trump's willingness to enact hardline immigration policies to deliver on border security, a key issue for his political base. Thursday's reports come as the President has amplified his rhetoric on illegal immigration in recent weeks, even threatening to close the southern border if Congress and Mexico don't take action.
White House senior adviser Stephen Miller urged senior DHS officials to make the plan a reality, the source said. The plan finally died after Miller and other White House officials pushed it in February, according to the source.
Miller was angered that DHS lawyers refused to produce legal guidance that would make the plan viable, saying the proposal would likely be illegal.
DHS officials believe that the legal standoff is one reason why Miller has pushed for the firing of John Mitnick, the general counsel for DHS, who is still with the department.
A separate DHS official confirmed there was such a proposal. "These are human beings, not game pieces," the official said.
Asked to comment, a DHS spokesperson said, "This was a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion." Another DHS official briefed on the matter disputed that the proposal reached Nielsen.
Nielsen left DHS this week after she was forced to resign.
"Sanctuary city" is a broad term applied to jurisdictions that have policies in place designed to limit cooperation with or involvement in federal immigration enforcement actions. Cities, counties and some states have a range of informal policies as well as laws that qualify as "sanctuary" positions.
Most of the policies center on not cooperating with federal law enforcement on immigration policies. Many of the largest cities in the country have forms of such policies.
A spokeswoman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ripped Trump over the Thursday night reports.
"The extent of this administration's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated," Ashley Etienne said in a statement. "Using human beings — including little children — as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable, and in some cases, criminal. The American people have resoundingly rejected this Administration's toxic anti-immigrant policies, and Democrats will continue to advance immigration policies that keep us safe and honor our values."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/immigrant-detainees-sanctuary-cities/index.html
I didn’t realize that job description was for head of CBP.
I also wasn’t commenting on the facility itself, just the job description which is pretty standard for jobs where physical restraint may be needed (medical facilities, group homes etc).
Had the job posting been for anything but an immigrant detention facility nobody would bat an eye.
It hurts my humanity to read this:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/29/opinion/migrant-crisis.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/29/opinion/migrant-crisis.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Well, there you go.
Instead, we send the people trying to do humanitarian work to jail.
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