I'm certainly not friends with anyone at Intense, but I have a hard time disagreeing with stik's early post that said regardless of what went on between the two parties that resulted in Sunseri's leaving, he is out of line sending out flase press releases post-termination/resignation. I have a hard time imagining any new facts from either side somehow maknig that right.jwebbins said:
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No, but if I can get a time and date, I will try it out at the next NORBA meeting.evilbob said:
Gotta say I agree with Ohio here...no matter what the stories...sending out BS press releases under the guide of being the official voice of a company is extremely bad form, no matter how you slice it.ohio said:
I also want to point out that I agree with Brian, no one is going in depth about stik or their connections, as it really isn't our place to comment and mention names.
That would go over well at the No Off Road Bike Association meeting I think. I want to go to that one. :mumble:Jeremy R said:No, but if I can get a time and date, I will try it out at the next NORBA meeting.
Ironically enough, Nick was my connection at Intense.... However, I think the filter on our mail here prevented me from getting the press releases...
Brian
Brian
jwebbins said:
You are an attorney? with this type of behaviour? no wonder our legal system is shot to hell.
At any rate, I do not even know how my name became so popular in this thread, I never even took a 'side', really. I came to a conclusion that an ex-employee wrote some BS press release (see: Intense will have a race team and IS still going racing) just to get a stab back at an ex-employer based on facts (See: press release that was full of BS)...no matter who I am friends with, who I know, whose story is what, these are the facts. Send out BS press release to do harm to a company on purpose=Shady, end of story.
As for me calling Nick, why would I do that? Intense has a race team now and will continue to have one-what is the point of calling him and asking? I am a fan of the sport, a spectator-not a journalist anyways. As for the owners of Intense, I do not even discuss race stuff with Jeff, we talk about our kids and other crap. I just hope no one ever thought I was speaking on behalf of Intense, because I am not. I do not know what went down between all of these guys, I just know I saw a PR that was incorrect written by someone who was just 'let go' end of story.
Ahh... Discussing the more important things in life..stiksandstones said:
Brian
jwebbins said:
It was reported and posted all over the place, including bigger publications. Even Velonews had it posted, but it's gone now. Lots of people saw it as the nail in racing's coffin.
And I have to agree with most of the people here, you don't need to know much detail to opine that issuing a false press release is pretty lame. If that's taking sides, then so be it, feel free to side with the fraudulent PR guy. It has nothing to do with what actually went down between steber and the PR guy - it's about unprofessional conduct and poor judgment. Hopefully it will prevent that dude from getting another PR job. I can't imagine anyone would be willing to give him authorization to issue press releases and otherwise communicate with media on their behalf after this little stunt.
Somebody...
post the damn press release!
post the damn press release!
Holy crap.....can't we just be glad that Kovarik & Sabrina are still racing & that Intense will still be on the race scene (allbeit in under the name of MS Racing)
Confusion solved, I think I can solve the mystery.stiksandstones said:You are an attorney? with this type of behaviour? no wonder our legal system is shot to hell.
At any rate, I do not even know how my name became so popular in this thread, I never even took a 'side', really. I came to a conclusion that an ex-employee wrote some BS press release (see: Intense will have a race team and IS still going racing) just to get a stab back at an ex-employer based on facts (See: press release that was full of BS)...no matter who I am friends with, who I know, whose story is what, these are the facts. Send out BS press release to do harm to a company on purpose=Shady, end of story.
As for me calling Nick, why would I do that? Intense has a race team now and will continue to have one-what is the point of calling him and asking? I am a fan of the sport, a spectator-not a journalist anyways. As for the owners of Intense, I do not even discuss race stuff with Jeff, we talk about our kids and other crap. I just hope no one ever thought I was speaking on behalf of Intense, because I am not. I do not know what went down between all of these guys, I just know I saw a PR that was incorrect written by someone who was just 'let go' end of story.
The main confusion starts here. . . .Nick never issued a Press Release. Why do I say this? Well let's look at the FACTS . . . . .
Decline's news post on their website was not a press release from Nick nor Intense. It was something they wrote after talking to Nick, probably based on what Nick was told when he was laid off on Monday. If you read it, there is a lot of hypothesizing going on.
Then, on Thursday, Intense sent a "Press Release" email, that actually contained 2 bits of information, from Nick's computer, using his email address, because all of the "Contacts" for the PR were in his email directory. It's clear that this did not come from Nick himself as he no longer worked there on Thursday. The dual PR in no way states negative information about Intense or their future plans. It's clear that it came straight from the head honchos at Intense. But it does a lot of hypothesizing; the word "intend" was used a lot.
Now everyone slow down, think clearly, and begin retracting all the negative things you assumed. Then smile.
I have been watching the West Wing marathon, so I have press releases and reporters on the brain.Pbody said:
There is "misquotes" and "misrepresentations". Unless you doubt Decline's integrity, I am sure they would stand by their interview with Nick Sunseri.
If you are talking with a reporter or a magazine writer, you should be careful about what you say. There could be a debate about what was said and what was printed, but any false representations turn to stone when they become print.
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133377
As for the "rumor" fest which is RM, I appreciate the inside info on a sport which I have little direct connection but follow carefully. I can intrepret what I read here, and RM'er will call you on your sh*t if sounds like BS.
Cheaper than cable ; ) And better than reality tv..BC VAN said:
Exactly the type of scenario I could have imagined happening, hence my suggestion to stay quiet since none of us are directly involved and will never know exactly what was said by whom etc...
Pbody said:
OK, back to the important stuff, i've been searching for "MS Racing" in google and the only cycling oriented link contains something campagnolo socks with MS racing, the rest of the links showed motorcycles and some japanese auto parts. So are they talking about MSC?? the same brand of David Vasquez'sssssss bikes? or is it an eurpean cycling team...
thanks
thanks
Should callit "MisS Racing"........And Leigh should do the singing telegrams.I'll pay for two.
There are always three sides to each story. His, hers, and in the middle you'll find the truth. However, in a situation like this, you don't need to hear both sides to know that Mr. Sunseri was WRONG! I find it hard to believe someone would do something like this--talk about burning your bridges.DylanDeanDesign said:
Imagine if a PR person from a Furtune 500, publicly traded, company did something like this? Investors would lose a ton of money, and the person who made the false press release would probably be indicted and held finically responsible for the companys losses.
Hey EC, here's the part of the net that makes guys like you tune out and ride their bike. It's the same as your quote from Transcontinental..."..then go drive in traffic" only it's online traffic.BC VAN said:
naw..this stufff makes me laugh....i don't think it's a laughing matter that in some way there was misrepresentation, not sure from who as i don't know the story...but either way someone isn't happy.bizutch said:
i do think it's funny how serious people got....someone lost there job...the worker and company don't see it the same way....happens everyday.
i tune out on the bike, but not from stuff like this.
I'll say the same. He always gave me a great deal and good support.Fonzie18 said:
Transcend, you have a half-ass magazine worth barely ****, and Stickman is an over-glorified mechanic. Get off your high horses.
Why do we have to bring this up again? If you wanna talk sh!t on stick or Transcend (which might not be the best idea) just start a new thread, not bring up something from last October!
I'll start your thread for you. Title: I'm a moron!
I'll start your thread for you. Title: I'm a moron!
you brought up this thread to say that??? :nuts:
it blows my mind to think that someone would be searching posts that are 5 months old, and think it's a GOOD idea to resurrect some post just to badmouth someone. here's a clue, if you have new information on Kovarik, or want to talk about how interesting it is that after all those rumors the Intense team is alive and well, great, bring this post back up. if you just want to trash someone and jump into an argument that's 5 FREAKIN' MONTHS OLD, just start a new post so I can put you on my ignore list and not have to even bother reading your crap.
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it blows my mind to think that someone would be searching posts that are 5 months old, and think it's a GOOD idea to resurrect some post just to badmouth someone. here's a clue, if you have new information on Kovarik, or want to talk about how interesting it is that after all those rumors the Intense team is alive and well, great, bring this post back up. if you just want to trash someone and jump into an argument that's 5 FREAKIN' MONTHS OLD, just start a new post so I can put you on my ignore list and not have to even bother reading your crap.
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What he said...
...besides if you want to eat your own and run smack talk about other people for no apparent reason, go to Pinkbike or certain parts of MTBR. They seem to enjoy it there...
...besides if you want to eat your own and run smack talk about other people for no apparent reason, go to Pinkbike or certain parts of MTBR. They seem to enjoy it there...
Thread from October? you could have just emailed me the hate mail-or started a new post of your hate for me. Nick can thank you though for bringing up this bad thread...bad press is good press right?Eigil said:
Your post does summarize everyones 'cool' factor in life..."he was cool cause he gave me a good deal". That is awesome someone is cool because they hooked you up, but I am a dick for being honest and not giving you a deal. Sweet brah!
Stik is cool caused he hooked me up with some parts cheap..and gave me his dish soap at snowshoe to wash my bike...but he's a douce because he won't send me lots of boutique brand clothes from his wife's store for my wife at pro-deal.....douche, douch'e, douche', duchee, doosh, doushe, doo-shh. 
I think he has a racer deal. You pay 10% extra and he doesn't poop in the box.
Signed,
Useless mag owner who doesn't say 'hella' like a norcal douche nozzle
Signed,
Useless mag owner who doesn't say 'hella' like a norcal douche nozzle
crossing the line fraz....beside the fact that they are both nor*mex (socal) riders.Transcend said:
His location says hella norcal. I cannot stand the word hella.v10"o-PlEaSuRe said:
Dude, I just got a deal from Kenneth Lay on some power to my house...he rocks.
Power to the land i wanted was gonna be about $1500 + electricians fees.
Give Mr Lay a call, he is rad dude, he hooks bros up with deals...Transcend said:
Maybe so, too bad that position was taken 3 years ago. Maybe he did not get the memo.sanjuro said:He probably wants your job as Lopes' fluffer!!!!
socal bro deal.stiksandstones said:
You guys totally missed the good support part. When my bike broke, he found me a loaner. If I needed parts, he'd find them for me. He even covered my entrance fees a few times when I was short on cash. The support and friendship was there, which I can't say for many people in this half-assed garbage industry. Him working at Chumba is great for Chumba. His file sizes might be huge, oh no, cry me a river. Press releases are just stupid propoganda for the naive masses anyway.