and Foes.....and Lenz.....
Intense morals; allegedly
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what else do we make here?
guns. We make good guns
Food? IDK, everything in my grocery store comes from Chile or Vietnam.
Drugs? Good weed, but even our Oxy is made of shore
tech? Whateverthefuckthatis............
paper value in stocks? I think we do that really really well.
clothes? you must be joking
solar panels? Good luck with that against china....
We can't really make shit products because we don't make any........
I wonder why people think that way. How much lighter can a frame realistically be in carbon?
Did they ever consider this? The only time I know they were making stuff for others was this Haro deal, early 2000's.
Sad but true! What is worse is that all the knowledge gets lost as well. All these little details that you are only aware of if you have made things yourself and that never make it into manuals or training videos.
Come on, their welds were pretty and technical sound for the most part.
Entertainment. We make entertainment...
Apparently it has been reported that supposedly the apparent firing of Intense employees was ostensibly and putatively accounted by several possibly theoretically self-styled news outlets.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
The US isn't exactly Britain in terms of ditching their entire manufacturing industry. This is made in America, allegedly:
And the next time i need a nuclear aircraft carrier, i'm definitely buying American.
And the next time i need a nuclear aircraft carrier, i'm definitely buying American.
i don't believe those are still in production.
you're not supposed to be asking the trenchcoat guy with the watches. he doesn't know shit...
(edit: allegedly)
(edit: allegedly)
In that case i'll have to take my money to Spain to buy an Unno frame instead. But in all seriousness, quite a few people on here work for companies that still manufacture actual products in the U.S.
Only half correct, we are on to nuclear super freedom carriers™!
https://thediplomat.com/2017/07/us-commissions-new-100000-ton-supercarrier-uss-gerald-r-ford/
i'm talking specifically about the nimitz class supercarriers. my dad worked on the reactors for them.
edit: i was unaware of the new ford class carriers. been out of the loop on these subjects since my old man retired. fun fact he once got to drive/steer a nuclear submarine that he worked on the reactor for.
Hence the half part, we stopped making those 42 years ago. But we are still in production of carriers.
Once they get replaced, you might be able to buy them for 5k a pop.
Yes, I know. I was being a dick because we make shitty cars and I can't afford to make my bikes here.
We make good planes and rockets.
And we make a lot of STUFF. I live in Indiana, one of the most mfg states in the U.S. We make good race cars. But they're not cheap.
And therein lies another part of the problem. We CAN make good stuff. Hell, we can make GREAT stuff.
But the minimum wage in china is $60/month. That's why big bike companies (and everybody else) are building factories in Vietnam and Cambodia, where is's only $30/month.
stopped making 42 years ago? don't you mean started? the last nimitz class carrier was launched in 2006.
We make tanks in Ohio that are no longer used or sold. why? Jobs. Politics. Get elected. The rational I heard was "it is cheaper to keep it running and producing useless tanks than closing and starting it up again at a later date."
because the local PD needs a tank.
Ford class is basically Nimitz with boost, plus tires and metric shocks.
People think that way because they're told to. It's crazy, of course carbon can be light, but my 160 mm travel bikes, with not the lightest parts (DVO sus, alum wheels) end up being 30-31 lbs with pedals. If I put light parts on, I can get it under 30 easy, maybe 28 lbs. Go look at the Vital reviews of all the latest carbon superbikes in the category. Very few are below 30 lbs and most are around 32. And $7000 ad up.
I think they all had to start porking up the carbon frames to make up for manufacturing inconsistency.
I think I just missed with Jeff. I've known him for a long time, I think he would have loved to help and keep his mfg options open. But I was too late. And maybe the sate of Cali was making it very difficult to make stuff. A ledge a bully.
My son can run a manual lathe and mill. He's rebuilt carbs and ignition points distributors. and engines.
When the sunspot storm kills all computers and electronics, he'll be king.
IDK, I'm not in the Navy. All i know is that they can't keep from crashing their shit.
Some other stuff Canada makes really well:
-weed
-terrorists (or they move here and we make them better)
-high taxes
-health care system that sorta, somewhat, not really works
-allowing foreign money to drive up housing costs to the point where areas of the country are unaffordable unless you're super rich
I agree though, I always thought carbon frames would be crazy light but you can get an aluminum bike pretty close to carbon bike weight.
-weed
-terrorists (or they move here and we make them better)
-high taxes
-health care system that sorta, somewhat, not really works
-allowing foreign money to drive up housing costs to the point where areas of the country are unaffordable unless you're super rich
I agree though, I always thought carbon frames would be crazy light but you can get an aluminum bike pretty close to carbon bike weight.
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so it's like america but instead of meth and painkillers its weed
Trump is fixing that.
nah, its like America, complete with the meth and painkillers, just with less literal killers and a few polar bears tossed in for fun. I mean, up until perhaps later this year, weed is more legal down there than it is up here.
Did anyone here see what the minimum wage is here in Ontario now? lol's
Larger population, larger odds of that.
Pretty sure that have been two mass murders recently in china using knives.
Imagine how much worse it would have been if they had a bunch of guns.
Fewer people in China are murdered each year by any means than are murdered in the US with guns. Last I checked they had a whole lot of people too.
They have a metric SHIT TON of people.
Please put that into more understandable units, such as libraries of Congress.
My 2015 951evo metal frame is welded straight and works like a champ!
My 2011 M9 was also good.
There. Back on Intense track.
My 2011 M9 was also good.
There. Back on Intense track.
I believe Switzerland ranks #1 for guns per capita. That's what kept Hitler from invading. But they have one of the lowest gun crime rates.
I'm not a gun nut, just the facts.
So....larger population of assholes, more chance of that......
better
On the other hand, I'm sure Jeff was told by his advisors or ceo or whatever that he needed to switch to all carbon. He's not a snake or a con artist. More like an artist trying to make a living. Like Brent Foes. But Brent, I'm pretty sure, still welds all his frames himself. And prides himself on "made in 'murica"
Jeff did too. But Brent stayed small and Jeff grew. I'm guessing he has shareholders and boards of directors and all kinds of people to make happy. Maybe that's why he fired the ceo and took it back. Who knows. I have no info, just sayin.
And all these investors want "growth". They can't stand carving out your market share and rolling along. So it becomes less of an "art" and more of a biz. I'll bet any money Niner was in the same boat.
You get money from people so you can grow, then you are obligated to keep them happy. And maybe you overreach, misjudge the market or just plain get bloated. I really don't know whether to feel good or bad for niner...being bought by Huffy....time will tell
Brent Foes does what the hell he wants. And makes high end camera trolleys for the movie industry on the side. Not to mention used to make bad-ass Baja Trophy trucks. A true old school artist fabricator till the end.
But I can't get him to race either. or Jeff.