[Silver]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100322/hari

Comments? I really don't know enough about the organizations to know how accurate this is. I wouldn't be surprised, however.

 

[stevew]

n8's creaming himself right now.

 

[gonefirefightin]

it takes money to make money

 

[kidwoo]

Definitely heard the same thing about the nature conservancy from a friend who worked there for years.

The author points out the fallacy in playing in the current congressional system but seems to only hint at grassroots startups as the alternative. All these fvckers were grassroots startups at one point too. Not like I have a better solution or anything. Considering half the world believes in magic sky people, lusts for ipods while simultaneously taking little interest in science (other than dismissively), there's a pretty big wall to address with ANY approach that uses pure scientific models as its basis.

 

[Toshi]

I sympathize with the author but I also think he's a bit hysterical, and that's from a "greenie" at heart.

Given how little time we have, this was shocking.

I don't condone selling out but I also think crying that the sky is falling won't make the world turn its back on its posh Western lifestyle overnight, and indeed is counterproductive.

 

[skinny mike]

I have stood on the edges of the Arctic and watched glaciers that have existed for millenniums crash into the sea.

no **** buddy, they're called tidewater glaciers, they've been doing that for milleniums.

aside from that, chicken little does seem to be onto something.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Thanks for posting that.

As a nation, I think something like 45% of us don't buy climate change science AT ALL and that number (anecdotally anyway) appears to be rising on the heels of a cold winter. I wish I had something positive to offer, but basically the world is pretty much fvcked unless we have massive pandemic in short order. I am doing a watershed survey right now in a "rural" area, and just to see the numbers first hand, of how we screw up everything we touch with just some light farming a subdivisions, has more or less made me lose all hope. Go play with google earth or Arcmap sometime and look at "rural" america... houses up every little hollow, leaching waste into every creek. All with central AC (mines running heat right now) belching CO2 into the atmosphere. No amount of grassroots anything is going to turn this thing around.

 

[amishmatt]

Ahh, living the country life...

(stolen from the random pic thread, seemed appropriate)

 

[BurlyShirley]

What's really funny is that that's not really an uncommon type of site around here at all. There are plenty of gulches where people just pushed their old washing machines and TVs off the backs of trucks and watched them roll. Yards full of cars up on blocks, sunbleached, plastic children's toys (so you know they're breeding) strewn about, half a dozen dogs either on chains or uncollared and wandering. F*** Im starting to hate it here.

 

[KavuRider]

What's really funny is that that's not really an uncommon type of site around here at all. There are plenty of gulches where people just pushed their old washing machines and TVs off the backs of trucks and watched them roll. Yards full of cars up on blocks, sunbleached, plastic children's toys (so you know they're breeding) strewn about, half a dozen dogs either on chains or uncollared and wandering. F*** Im starting to hate it here.

Sounds like where I grew up (backwoods Vermont). Same thing.

 

[sanjuro]

Thanks for posting that.

As a nation, I think something like 45% of us don't buy climate change science AT ALL and that number (anecdotally anyway) appears to be rising on the heels of a cold winter. I wish I had something positive to offer, but basically the world is pretty much fvcked unless we have massive pandemic in short order. I am doing a watershed survey right now in a "rural" area, and just to see the numbers first hand, of how we screw up everything we touch with just some light farming a subdivisions, has more or less made me lose all hope. Go play with google earth or Arcmap sometime and look at "rural" america... houses up every little hollow, leaching waste into every creek. All with central AC (mines running heat right now) belching CO2 into the atmosphere. No amount of grassroots anything is going to turn this thing around.

I live a relatively low-impact life (for an urban dweller working for a computer company 35 miles away).

But I think we all can do more to reduce our pollution footprint.

Even though I think global warming is mostly hokem lead by hypocrites, I nevertheless support the idea.

 

[stevew]

Ahh, living the country life...

(stolen from the random pic thread, seemed appropriate)

reminds me of south western colorado.

 

[Silver]

Even though I think global warming is mostly hokem lead by hypocrites, I nevertheless support the idea.

Because the same people who lie to you about basically every issue that comes up are obviously honest brokers when it comes to climate change...

Exhibit A for Burly's point...

 

[amishmatt]

Whether on not you believe in climate change (is that like believing in Jesus?) doesn't have to be the issue. The toxic sh*t we're spewing out tailpipes, drainpipes and sewer pipes is f*cking things up.

And I agree with BS, no amount of technology or behavioral change is going to fix it unless that technology and behavioral change reduces population growth.

But that's the issue nobody will talk about. Just like the goddamn "save the puppies" people who complain about puppy mills, yet buy their pets from a pet store.

Where's Bob Barker with a PSA about spaying and neutering little Johnny and Mary?

 

[rockofullr]

But it will be ok if I buy carbon credits, right?

 

[dan-o]

But it will be ok if I buy carbon credits, right?

Of course, and the 18hr flight to your eco-tourism destination is the perfect time to fill out the paperwork.