Your doctor was probably going 100% off of BMI. Ok, maybe 99%, with 1% being whether your LFTs and A1C were normal.
Intermittent and extended fasting
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You had a chance to read and process any of it thus far?
I ate lunch today post ride. I will eat a ribeye from Edwards Meats tonight, Monday night—hard to keep track with all this not working business.
But then after that I’ll eat either Wednesday at noon if free food at conference good (unlikely) or at dinner. Wednesday dinner shall be out somewhere on the company dime.
But then after that I’ll eat either Wednesday at noon if free food at conference good (unlikely) or at dinner. Wednesday dinner shall be out somewhere on the company dime.
do you find that fasting helps with colds? I don't let getting sick slow my fasts down...and they seem to help with my illness recovery. It's kind of a cool "feature" that is most certainly anecdotal, but I'd love your input.
I haven't been sick since starting IF so have no anecdotes to share. But I have heard this from others as well.
24h later and I feel pretty good. Took my wife a week to recover. This is like the third or fourth illness that has progressed this way. So weird....
@Full Trucker is full of snark in the daily thread regarding eating steaks after fasting. He is wrong re dietary fats (but yes, limiting baked goods is most likely a good idea).
All things in moderation! Even diabeeeeeetus!
Just as in politics this “common sense” doesn’t work, though.
We don’t need sugar to live. Optimal dose health-wise would be 0. This goes for sucrose (glucose + fructose) and fructose alone—just because it grows in the wild doesn’t mean it’s good for us. It’s sweet because it’s good for the plants for us to eat them and shit out their seeds elsewhere.
We also don’t need any omega 6 fats. This is exactly the cheap swill that food manufacturers want to push on us, though, but they are pro-inflammatory. Omega 3 or saturated, please.
There is some evidence that we don’t even need to eat carbs at all… (as the body can make the small amount of glucose that the brain wants in addition to ketones via gluconeogenesis, using fat and protein as substrates)
Evidence for a Meat-Based Diet - Kevin Stock
Is there any evidence for a meat-based diet over a plant-based diet? Here we explore the evidence for humans eating a meat-based diet.
www.kevinstock.io
Lots of references at that link. Eat those ribeyes and bacon.
Totally agree - I only eat it because it tastes good! Mmmm... diabeeeeetus.
Also agree. Mmmm... cheap swill food.
I'm just impressed that science is figuring out this COMPLICATED shit. Yay science!There is some evidence that we don’t even need to eat carbs at all… (as the body can make the small amount of glucose that the brain wants in addition to ketones via gluconeogenesis, using fat and protein as substrates)
Evidence for a Meat-Based Diet - Kevin Stock
Is there any evidence for a meat-based diet over a plant-based diet? Here we explore the evidence for humans eating a meat-based diet.
Lots of references at that link. Eat those ribeyes and bacon.
I should probably go do some pushups.
For the record - I'm going to have some coq with mashed starch for lunch.
Now it is Tuesday, when it’d normally be time to eat lunch. The family is eating lunch at the moment and I feel a bit hungry. But come 1 or 1:30 PM I won’t feel hungry, and will feel just fine.
I think I’ll also fast some more this week:
Yesterday/Monday: ate lunch and dinner
Today/Tuesday: not eating
Wednesday: eating dinner for sure, maybe lunch if good
Thursday: eating lunch and dinner (latter most likely another Edwards Meats ribeye shared with the kids)
Friday: not eating
Saturday: eating lunch and dinner (ribeye 3 of 4 from the batch)
Sunday: eating lunch and dinner (ribeye 4 of 4)
(Next) Monday onwards: Going to do another extended fast, playing the length by ear based off how I feel during it
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Correct.
Incorrect: you are eating fatty steaks after fasting.
I think you're inferring some meaning that I wasn't really thinking of here.
But they're so delicious! Will you be able to get by on just a handful of kare pan per week?
In full disclosure, I only skimmed this article but I have to ask... is eBiking on the list of "healthy lifestyle interventions" ? Or are you planning to "walk briskly at or above 150 min/week" ?
And really dude, you do you. If what you're doing is working for you, and making you happy, go for it. But don't expect me to not give you grief. I mean c'mon, next to all the damn Colorado Super Athletes I'm basically obese so don't think I don't have body image / fitness goal issues. If I can't make fun of you, how else will I feel better about myself?
Yeah - fuck those people.
<finishes a bowl of post-lunch cereal into which I added chocolate chips, because FUCK YOU>
From a health perspective as long as one logs 150 min per week of at least low intensity exercise of any sort (like that walking) the bar has been met. Won’t get one KOM, sure, but for the heart that’s the cut point.
What is that like 2-1/2 hours? I'm screwed.
Also, the fuckers I chase up the hills ride at anything BUT a "low intensity" pace.
Fuckers.
There's your problem. I make fuckers like that WAIT for my sloth-ass.
Oh, wait... YOU'RE one of those fuckers.
Fuckers!There's your problem. I make fuckers like that WAIT for my sloth-ass.
Oh, wait... YOU'RE one of those fuckers.
They define it as MET-minutes, 1 MET being energy expenditure at rest. I would bet you hit the weekly recommendation by climbing from the lower lot to the bench in and of itself.
all y'all aint got nothing on me when it comes to slow ass climbing.
So... "intensity" i.e. doing a thing more intensely for a shorter amount of time is equal to the same thing done mellower, but for longer? When I worked for a nutritional supplements company, there were studies and whatnot going around about this sort of tomfoolery.
They define it as MET-minutes, 1 MET being energy expenditure at rest. I would bet you hit the weekly recommendation by climbing from the lower lot to the bench in and of itself.
EDIT: the "Two Methods of Assessing Aerobic Intensity" section of that article is helpful for understanding how the whole MET-minutes thing might be calculated.
If I am understanding @Toshi correctly, you and I likely climb Belcher in the same number of MET-minutes. Nice work, fast guy!
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I would imagine that MET-minutes would increase with body fat percentage, as that unproductive mass would still need to be hauled up against gravity.
Therefore I would win this contest for slowness/using the most MET-minutes on a given climb, as it were. 30.5% fat as of July 11, 2019 (but hopefully well under 20% by Dec 18, 2019!).
Fuckers.
"Intensity can also be defined relative to fitness" -- though it says nothing about "fatness" I would suspect that strength-to-weight ratio would affect the calculations.
"Intensity can also be defined relative to fitness" -- though it says nothing about "fatness" I would suspect that strength-to-weight ratio would affect the calculations.
Correction factors for the calculation of metabolic equivalents (MET) in overweight to extremely obese subjects - PubMed
Data indicate that the commonly used 1-MET value of 3.5 ml O2 kg(-)(1) min(-)(1) largely overestimates values in overweight to severely obese subjects. Our correction factors can help to reduce this systematic error and thus appear to be valuable for clinical practice as well as research studies.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This indicates lower MET values in obese, but this wasn’t against gravity crucially. Gravity is a cruel mistress when fat.
I don't think you're allowed to only believe the science you want to believe, doc.
Both make sense:
- most obese have less lean mass, which would lead to lower metabolic activity in general
but
- for a given task against gravity that thus scales with mass directly then being fat would require that much more energy
In conclusion who knows? I just am thankful for electricity in the face of Belcher.
I'm just here to say that gravity is a cruel mistress even if you're svelte like me.
Actually, I don't think "svelte" is probably the right word...
Actually, I don't think "svelte" is probably the right word...
But back to the actual topic of this thread
Fasting is cool, IMO, because it allows for the benefits of ketosis but doesn’t require one to eat strictly ketogenic a la our resident Wookiee. I can have kare pan now and then… and I will, because they are delicious.
In general I’m trying to stay at 100g carbs/day or less (not counting religiously, just trying to be reasonable), and, as I like to point out, my resting metabolic rate test done on this kind of diet at 19 hours fasted showed me to be burning 94% fat, 6% carbs. That’d be ketosis, in other words.
40 hours into this fast at the moment. Feeling pretty good. I was a bit hungrier than normal at lunch and dinner times yesterday, but quelled it at the latter with some coffee. For the record I drank about 6 oz of coffee, that portion of which had about 1/2 a tbsp of MCT oil in it, because gotta rev up those ketones.
Onto the rest of my week's plan:
Wednesday: eating dinner for sure, maybe lunch if good
Thursday: eating lunch and dinner (latter most likely another Edwards Meats ribeye shared with the kids)
Friday: not eating
Saturday: eating lunch and dinner (ribeye 3 of 4 from the batch)
Sunday: eating lunch and dinner (ribeye 4 of 4)
(Next) Monday onwards: Going to do another extended fast, playing the length by ear based off how I feel during it
Onto the rest of my week's plan:
Wednesday: eating dinner for sure, maybe lunch if good
Thursday: eating lunch and dinner (latter most likely another Edwards Meats ribeye shared with the kids)
Friday: not eating
Saturday: eating lunch and dinner (ribeye 3 of 4 from the batch)
Sunday: eating lunch and dinner (ribeye 4 of 4)
(Next) Monday onwards: Going to do another extended fast, playing the length by ear based off how I feel during it
All you fasting non-carb eating people in this thread need to work harder:
I like bacon well enough, but hands down I prefer a nice ribeye, hell even a Costco/Edwards USDA Prime one.
Have you ever tried lardo? You should try lardo...I like bacon well enough, but hands down I prefer a nice ribeye, hell even a Costco/Edwards USDA Prime one.
I think I'll throw in a pack or two of this my next Snake River Farms order. Not lardo but that does look like some seriously fine bacon:Have you ever tried lardo? You should try lardo...
SRF All-Natural Kurobuta Bacon — Snake River Farms
Only serve the best bacon at Sunday brunch by cooking up a panful of this traditional smoked bacon that’s thick-cut from all-natural Kurobuta pork belly.
www.snakeriverfarms.com
No lardo, NO CARE!
WTF is COQ?
All you need to know is that SS loves teh coq
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