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Internet voting?

Should we implement voting by internet?

  • Of course, this internet thing is really catching on.

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • I'd need to see figures on the reliability/security first.

    Votes: 11 44.0%
  • It'll only encourage lazy voters.

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • No, you should have to get to the polls on foot, or by horse and buggy.

    Votes: 8 32.0%

  • Total voters
    25

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
43,528
15,753
Portland, OR
Back on topic.

Maybe BV can back me up based on his opinion (and if it's different than mine, you are an emo fag :D )

If you create a secure infrastructure to support voting (no just put up a website called votehere.gov) then use the appropriate measures to ensure one vote per registration like a security token system, then take it one step further and include a time sync for each persons vote as a key pair, I would say that is far more secure than showing up at the YMCA, flashing a fake ID and pulling a lever. Or worse yet like the hack with the Diebold machines where valid votes are converted to anything but the original.

It's really no different than the absentee system when it gets right down to it. And just like the absentee system, not everyone would want to do it online, but it should also be an option for those who do.

After seeing how easy it was to hack the Diebold system and then seeing how insecure and secret squirrel their operation was, I have little faith in the electronic machines in use.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
After seeing how easy it was to hack the Diebold system and then seeing how insecure and secret squirrel their operation was, I have little faith in the electronic machines in use.
this is where i'm at.
there are too many ethical hackers who could quickly & effectively demonstrate a standardized system couldn't both be easy to use and secure.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
43,528
15,753
Portland, OR
Aren't virtually all business operating expenses deductable? Thus income is not the same as gross receipts and you don't pay taxes on it?

I'm not 100% sure myself I just know that a lot of operating expenses are deductable and it was my impression that it would not affect a lot of small businesses because their actual net income is much, much lower than their gross receipts.
I'm not an expert on Obama's tax policy, but it seemed to me "Individuals who make $250k". So for Intel, Andy Grove makes $1 a year salary, not unlike Steve Jobs. But then if you consider his dividends as income, he makes far more than that.

But a small business, much like a guy here at work has with his wife, the business makes over $1M a year, but after paying for the space, salaries, operating costs, and other things, she makes less than what he pulls as a software engineer ($80k a year?). So as a business owner, her taxes wouldn't go up, neither would the employees.

Now if they expand, increase sales, blah, blah, blah and she takes home $300k, THEN her taxes would go up.

At least that's my understand based on a breakdown of JTP and his $250k business.
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
17,373
0
SF
Yeah, it is not a gross income plan but you net 250k or more, you taxes go up slightly.

I wonder the tax increase is if you make $1mil or more.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
43,528
15,753
Portland, OR
Yeah, it is not a gross income plan but you net 250k or more, you taxes go up slightly.

I wonder the tax increase is if you make $1mil or more.
If I win the Powerball, it's like 52% or some crap. So I would think it wouldn't be that bad.
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
Now if they expand, increase sales, blah, blah, blah and she takes home $300k, THEN her taxes would go up.
Yeah, it is not a gross income plan but you net 250k or more, you taxes go up slightly.

I wonder the tax increase is if you make $1mil or more.

Okay....let's review. Obama's plan sees no tax INCREASE until you hit 600K






And this is exactly why I think internet voting is a bad idea :rofl: Our little visitor just proved this to me further.
 
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$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
Yeah, it is not a gross income plan but you net 250k or more, you taxes go up slightly.

I wonder the tax increase is if you make $1mil or more.
and of course add to all this, deferred compensation & other ways to book-cook

i wish i had the kind of problems that only keeping a team of lawyers & accountants on retainer could solve

"patriotism" be damned!