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Dobson accuses Obama of 'distorting' Bible

Dobson took aim at examples Obama cited in asking which Biblical passages should guide public policy — chapters like Leviticus, which Obama said suggests slavery is OK and eating shellfish is an abomination, or Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, "a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application."

"Folks haven't been reading their Bibles," Obama said.

Dobson and Minnery accused Obama of wrongly equating Old Testament texts and dietary codes that no longer apply to Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.
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wat?

Interpretation is in the eye of the beholder?
 
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jimmydean said:
How do you distort fiction?
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i am disappointed obama has stooped to this blatant pandering... sure his is distorting the bible to suit his purposes much like his old preacher buddy but so does everyone who uses religion as a tool to fit 'in' and/or to generate personal gain... obama is much like the used car salesman who has a jeebus fish on his business card...
 
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N8 said:
i am disappointed obama has stooped to this blatant pandering... sure his is distorting the bible to suit his purposes much like is old preacher but so does everyone who uses religion as a tool to fit 'in' and/or to generate personal gain... obama is much like the used car salesman who has a jeebus fish on his business card...
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I thought this was similarly filled with awesomeness:

The program was paid for by a Focus on the Family affiliate whose donations are taxed, Dobson said, so it's legal for that group to get more involved in politics.
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N8 said:
i am disappointed obama has stooped to this blatant pandering... sure his is distorting the bible to suit his purposes much like is old preacher but so does everyone who uses religion as a tool to fit 'in' and/or to generate personal gain... obama is much like the used car salesman who has a jeebus fish on his business card...
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Obama is a politician, same as the others. He twists religion to fit, same as everyone (who has a clue anyway) to fit his purpose/life.

My wife and I were laughing about the fish on business cards and signs the other day. She has decided to move her horse to another barn because the current one has gone off the jeebus deep end. They just mounted a huge steel "welcome" sign with a cowboy praying to a cross. The sign needs Calvin pissing on him to be funny.
 
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jimmydean said:
Obama is a politician, same as the others. He twists religion to fit, same as everyone (who has a clue anyway) to fit his purpose/life.

My wife and I were laughing about the fish on business cards and signs the other day. She has decided to move her horse to another barn because the current one has gone off the jeebus deep end. They just mounted a huge steel "welcome" sign with a cowboy praying to a cross. The sign needs Calvin pissing on him to be funny.
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Just make sure you don't find yourself in Enumclaw...

 
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i wonder where all the liberal hate for obama's widely professed Christianity is?

come on asshats... time to mock his religion... go ahead... he's flaunting it like a 2 bit whore...

dont hold back!


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N8 said:
i wonder where all the liberal hate for obama's widely professed Christianity is?

come on asshats... time to mock his religion... go ahead... he's flaunting it like a 2 bit whore...

dont hold back!


Silver... sausagefest man... this means you...
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N 8, now that you mention it...

Muslim Voters Detect a Snub From Obama
By ANDREA ELLIOTT

As Senator Barack Obama courted voters in Iowa last December, Representative Keith Ellison, the country’s first Muslim congressman, stepped forward eagerly to help.

Mr. Ellison believed that Mr. Obama’s message of unity resonated deeply with American Muslims. He volunteered to speak on Mr. Obama’s behalf at a mosque in Cedar Rapids, one of the nation’s oldest Muslim enclaves. But before the rally could take place, aides to Mr. Obama asked Mr. Ellison to cancel the trip because it might stir controversy. Another aide appeared at Mr. Ellison’s Washington office to explain.

“I will never forget the quote,” Mr. Ellison said, leaning forward in his chair as he recalled the aide’s words. “He said, ‘We have a very tightly wrapped message.’ ”

When Mr. Obama began his presidential campaign, Muslim Americans from California to Virginia responded with enthusiasm, seeing him as a long-awaited champion of civil liberties, religious tolerance and diplomacy in foreign affairs. But more than a year later, many say, he has not returned their embrace.

While the senator has visited churches and synagogues, he has yet to appear at a single mosque. Muslim and Arab-American organizations have tried repeatedly to arrange meetings with Mr. Obama, but officials with those groups say their invitations — unlike those of their Jewish and Christian counterparts — have been ignored. Last week, two Muslim women wearing head scarves were barred by campaign volunteers from appearing behind Mr. Obama at a rally in Detroit.

In interviews, Muslim political and civic leaders said they understood that their support for Mr. Obama could be a problem for him at a time when some Americans are deeply suspicious of Muslims. Yet those leaders nonetheless expressed disappointment and even anger at the distance that Mr. Obama has kept from them.

“This is the ‘hope campaign,’ this is the ‘change campaign,’ ” said Mr. Ellison, Democrat of Minnesota. Muslims are frustrated, he added, that “they have not been fully engaged in it.”

Aides to Mr. Obama denied that he had kept his Muslim supporters at arm’s length. They cited statements in which he had spoken inclusively about American Islam and a radio advertisement he recorded for the recent campaign of Representative Andre Carson, Democrat of Indiana, who this spring became the second Muslim elected to Congress.

In May, Mr. Obama also had a brief, private meeting with the leader of a mosque in Dearborn, Mich., home to the country’s largest concentration of Arab-Americans. And this month, a senior campaign aide met with Arab-American leaders in Dearborn, most of whom are Muslim. (Mr. Obama did not campaign in Michigan before the primary in January because of a party dispute over the calendar.)

“Our campaign has made every attempt to bring together Americans of all races, religions and backgrounds to take on our common challenges,” Ben LaBolt, a campaign spokesman, said in an e-mail message.

Mr. LaBolt added that with religious groups, the campaign had largely taken “an interfaith approach, one that may not have reached every group that wishes to participate but has reached many Muslim Americans.”

The strained relationship between Muslims and Mr. Obama reflects one of the central challenges facing the senator: how to maintain a broad electoral appeal without alienating any of the numerous constituencies he needs to win in November.

After the episode in Detroit last week, Mr. Obama telephoned the two Muslim women to apologize. “I take deepest offense to and will continue to fight against discrimination against people of any religious group or background,” he said in a statement.

Such gestures have fallen short in the eyes of many Muslim leaders, who say the Detroit incident and others illustrate a disconnect between Mr. Obama’s message of unity and his campaign strategy.

“The community feels betrayed,” said Safiya Ghori, the government relations director in the Washington office of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

Even some of Mr. Obama’s strongest Muslim supporters say they are uncomfortable with the forceful denials he has made in response to rumors that he is secretly a Muslim. (Ten percent of registered voters believe the rumor, according to a poll by the Pew Research Center.)

In an interview with “60 Minutes,” Mr. Obama said the rumors were offensive to American Muslims because they played into “fearmongering.” But on a new section of his Web site, he classifies the claim that he is Muslim as a “smear.”

“A lot of us are waiting for him to say that there’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim, by the way,” Mr. Ellison said.

Mr. Ellison, a first-term congressman, remains arguably the senator’s most important Muslim supporter. He has attended Obama rallies in Minnesota and appears on the campaign’s Web site. But Mr. Ellison said he was also forced to cancel plans to campaign for Mr. Obama in North Carolina after an emissary for the senator told him the state was “too conservative.” Mr. Ellison said he blamed Mr. Obama’s aides — not the candidate himself — for his campaign’s standoffishness.

Despite the complications of wooing Muslim voters, Mr. Obama and his Republican rival, Senator John McCain, may find it risky to ignore this constituency. There are sizable Muslim populations in closely fought states like Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Virginia.

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“We moved away from political leadership primarily by doctors, lawyers and elite professionals to real savvy grass-roots operatives,” said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, a political group in Washington. “We went back to the base.”

In 2006, the Virginia Muslim Political Action Committee arranged for 53 Muslim cabdrivers to skip their shifts at Dulles International Airport in Northern Virginia to transport voters to the polls for the midterm election. Of an estimated 60,000 registered Muslim voters in the state, 86 percent turned out and voted overwhelmingly for Jim Webb, a Democrat running for the Senate who subsequently won the election, according to data collected by the committee.

The committee’s president, Mukit Hossain, said Muslims in Virginia were drawn to Mr. Obama because of his support for civil liberties and his more diplomatic approach to the Middle East. Mr. Hossain and others said his multicultural image also appealed to immigrant voters.

“This is the son of an immigrant; this is someone with a funny name,” said James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, who is a Christian who has campaigned for Mr. Obama at mosques and Arab churches. “There is this excitement that if he can win, they can win, too.”

Yet some Muslim and Arab-American political organizers worry that the campaign’s reluctance to reach out to voters in those communities will eventually turn them off. “If they think that they are voting for a campaign that is trying to distance itself from them, my big fear is that Muslims will sit it out,” Mr. Hossain said.

Throughout the primaries, Muslim groups often failed to persuade Mr. Obama’s campaign to at least send a surrogate to speak to voters at their events, said Ms. Ghori, of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

Before the Virginia primary in February, some of the nation’s leading Muslim organizations nearly canceled an event at a mosque in Sterling because they could not arrange for representatives from any of the major presidential campaigns to attend. At the last minute, they succeeded in wooing surrogates from the Clinton and Obama campaigns by telling each that the other was planning to attend, Mr. Bray said. (No one from the McCain campaign showed up.)

Frustrations with Mr. Obama deepened the day after he claimed the nomination when he told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that Jerusalem should be the undivided capital of Israel. (Mr. Obama later clarified his statement, saying Jerusalem’s status would need to be negotiated between Israelis and Palestinians.)

Osama Siblani, the editor and publisher of the weekly Arab American News in Dearborn, said Mr. Obama had “pandered” to the Israeli lobby, while neglecting to meet formally with Arab-American and Muslim leaders. “They’re trying to take the votes without the liabilities,” said Mr. Siblani, who is also president of the Arab American Political Action Committee.

Some Muslim supporters of Mr. Obama seem to ricochet between dejection and optimism. Minha Husaini, a public health consultant in her 30s who is working for the Obama campaign in Philadelphia, lights up like a swooning teenager when she talks about his promise for change.

“He gives me hope,” Ms. Husaini said in an interview last month, shortly before she joined the campaign on a fellowship. But she sighed when the conversation turned to his denials of being Muslim, “as if it’s something bad,” she said.

For Ms. Ghori and other Muslims, Mr. Obama’s hands-off approach is not surprising in a political climate they feel is marred by frequent attacks on their faith.

Among the incidents they cite are a statement by Mr. McCain, in a 2007 interview with Beliefnet.com, that he would prefer a Christian president to a Muslim one; a comment by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton that Mr. Obama was not Muslim “as far as I know”; and a remark by Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, to The Associated Press in March that an Obama victory would be celebrated by terrorists, who would see him as a “savior.”

“All you have to say is Barack Hussein Obama,” said Arsalan Iftikhar, a human rights lawyer and contributing editor at Islamica Magazine. “You don’t even have to say ‘Muslim.’ ”

As a consequence, many Muslims have kept their support for Mr. Obama quiet. Any visible show of allegiance could be used by his opponents to incite fear, further the false rumors about his faith and “bin-Laden him,” Mr. Bray said.

“The joke within the national Muslim organizations,” Ms. Ghori said, “is that we should endorse the person we don’t want to win.”
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N8 said:
i wonder where all the liberal hate for obama's widely professed Christianity is?

come on asshats... time to mock his religion... go ahead... he's flaunting it like a 2 bit whore...

dont hold back!


Silver... sausagefest man... this means you...
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He's a modest Christian at best. It's not like he follows Evangelical f@cktards or something (Falwell, Robertson, any MegaChurch with a tv show).

Hell, my parents are hardcore Catholics compared to him. He quit going to a church that said bad things, my folks STILL attend a church where a convicted child molester worked for over 20 years!
 
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jimmydean said:
He's a modest Christian at best. It's not like he follows Evangelical f@cktards or something (Falwell, Robertson, any MegaChurch with a tv show).

Hell, my parents are hardcore Catholics compared to him. He quit going to a church that said bad things, my folks STILL attend a church where a convicted child molester worked for over 20 years!
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but he still believes none the less...

so yeah, he has a lot in common with the Falwell, Robertson, any MegaChurch and his old preacher of hate.
 
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N8 said:
but he still believes none the less...

so yeah, he has a lot in common with the Falwell, Robertson, any MegaChurch and his old preacher of hate.
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Believing in a false God is a lot different than killing (or asking someone else to kill) for.

Nothing Rev. Wright said comes close:

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: > Amen
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Why is it all about the gheyness with these guys?
 
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Washington Post said:
LYNCHBURG, Va., May 13 -- Six years after labeling the Rev. Jerry Falwell one of the political "agents of intolerance," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) delivered the commencement address Saturday at Falwell's Liberty University, and vigorously defended his support for the war in Iraq while saying that opponents have a moral duty to challenge the wisdom of a conflict that has exacted a huge toll on the nation.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/13/AR2006051300647.html

http://theblacksentinel.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/mccain-falwell.jpg

FALWELL? THIS MAN?

Jerry Falwell said:
AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals

The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being

Textbooks are Soviet propaganda

The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews

It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening

Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America

[homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven
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and the list goes on and on.

what were you saying about obama?

http://theblacksentinel.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/mccain-bigots-of-a-feather-flock-together/
 
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N8 said:
you need to spend some time reading Wright's writings/sermons

or is it ok cuz he hates you whitey?
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I watched enough youtube crap (the stuff that was taken out of context) and I don't see it being nearly as hateful as Falwell. Maybe it's because you're the whitey he hates and not me.
 
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IMO, Obama only ever attended Church because not doing so as a professional politician would be career suicide. I feel he is agnostic at heart, so his religious "affiliations" never were an issue for me.
 
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IMO, Obama only ever attended Church because not doing so as a professional politician would be career suicide. I feel he is agnostic at heart, so his religious "affiliations" never were an issue for me.
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so are you saying that obama calling Rev Wright his mentor is all bullsh!t then?
 
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I just really don't care about any of it.
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well i am not religious at all, but if you're running from President and you say certain people are your mentors i think that is something to be taken into consideration.

if he was agnostic then he shouldnt be flaunting his Christianity all over the media because he comes off disingenuous at best.

again, he is like the used car salesman with a jeebus fish on his business card...
 
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well i am not religious at all, but if you're running from President and you say certain people are your mentors i think that is something to be taken into consideration.

if he was agnostic then he shouldnt be flaunting his Christianity all over the media because he comes off disingenuous at best.

again, he is like the used car salesman with a jeebus fish on his business card...
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There are certain things that anyone running for president has to claim, and you know being of 'strong faith' is one of them. You simply can't get elected in the USA otherwise, so anyone serious about getting the job is going to have to claim to be deeply religious. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if McCain's faith is all a front either, to be perfectly honest, but he's pretty old, so people tend to cling to the hope of an afterlife when mortality is starting to stare them down.
Bush though? I think he's actually a born-again nutjob who believes just about everything he says.

Anyway, yeah, Obama is a bit of a used car salesman...but aren't they all at that level? I've heard each of these guys claim to be "experts" in economics, foreign policy, military affairs, business, etc.
Of course, that's basically impossible, but if I had to guess, I'd say McCain is more full of it, of the two. He has basically sold his soul over the last few months. If you recall I was quite a fan of his a few years ago, but these days? The guy has done a complete 180 on half his issues, and you want to call Obama out on faith? It's such a non issue in the scheme of things, but precisely the type of crap that loses people elections.
 
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BurlyShirley said:
There are certain things that anyone running for president has to claim, and you know being of 'strong faith' is one of them. You simply can't get elected in the USA otherwise, so anyone serious about getting the job is going to have to claim to be deeply religious. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if McCain's faith is all a front either, to be perfectly honest, but he's pretty old, so people tend to cling to the hope of an afterlife when mortality is starting to stare them down.
Bush though? I think he's actually a born-again nutjob who believes just about everything he says.

Anyway, yeah, Obama is a bit of a used car salesman...but aren't they all at that level? I've heard each of these guys claim to be "experts" in economics, foreign policy, military affairs, business, etc.
Of course, that's basically impossible, but if I had to guess, I'd say McCain is more full of it, of the two. He has basically sold his soul over the last few months. If you recall I was quite a fan of his a few years ago, but these days? The guy has done a complete 180 on half his issues, and you want to call Obama out on faith? It's such a non issue in the scheme of things, but precisely the type of crap that loses people elections.
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jeebus... there isnt that much difference between obama & mccain.. where's your confusion?

mccain is liberal, obama is liberal...

i guess the differ on 2 main items... one says stay in iraq and the other promises to leave (realistically mccain is being more honest.. we cant leave no matter what snake oil obama sells to get elected)... the other item is taxes; obama is gonna tax the sh!t out of us, maccain not so much.
 
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jeebus... there isnt that much difference between obama & mccain.. where's your confusion?

mccain is liberal, obama is liberal...

i guess the differ on 2 main items... one says stay in iraq and the other promises to leave (realistically mccain is being more honest.. we cant leave no matter what snake oil obama sells to get elected)... the other item is taxes; obama is gonna tax the sh!t out of us, maccain not so much.
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I think you have a pretty bad habit of just slapping the tag "liberal" on anything that doesn't fit your ideals. I might agree that the two are close on most issues if this were 2 years ago, but McCain has been, not-so-stealthily creeping to the right to "woo his base" or something over the last year and primaries... and it remains to be seen whether he's actually speaking honestly now, or whether he'll go back to his moderate self should he succeed in the general election. I sure as sh*t dont want another GWB, and it really has very little to do with social issues, but instead the seemingly ever-worsening state of economy/country . So maybe with Obama even as the unknown commodity he is, he's still "the Devil you know" because he hasn't had a chance to demonstrate otherwise.
I agree we'll be in Iraq for quite some time, I just want to quit wasting so much money on it. And I think we should be taxed more heavily, because we got alot of crap at home that needs fixed, and giving more tax breaks and selling our future to China isn't an option I like.
 
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How long until the election? Can we get a special Neightomo limit of one post per day on this stuff until November. The f*cker's like a broken record. Buggery ****. Imagine what he'd be like if Hilary won the nomination. The whole forum would be gummed up with his infantile chuntering.
 
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well i am not religious at all, but if you're running from President and you say certain people are your mentors i think that is something to be taken into consideration.

if he was agnostic then he shouldnt be flaunting his Christianity all over the media because he comes off disingenuous at best.

again, he is like the used car salesman with a jeebus fish on his business card...
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The American people are more likely to elect a known pedophile than a known atheist, being religious is a requirement to running for public office

Also, McCain has voted with Bush on EVERY SINGLE VOTE this year. He is not a maverick by any means.
 
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Samirol said:
The American people are more likely to elect a known pedophile than a known atheist, being religious is a requirement to running for public office

Also, McCain has voted with Bush on EVERY SINGLE VOTE this year. He is not a maverick by any means.
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and obama voted his party's line ever single vote of his time in the senate (not just this year - 6 months) so how is that bringing America together? at least mccain was on the short list for John Kerry's Veep 4 years ago. i wouldnt call that towing the party line if u know what i mean...
 
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How long until the election? Can we get a special Neightomo limit of one post per day on this stuff until November. The f*cker's like a broken record. Buggery ****. Imagine what he'd be like if Hilary won the nomination. The whole forum would be gummed up with his infantile chuntering.
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Damn you have a way with words. When ya talk it sounds like yer singin'.
 
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