[fluff]

Interesting article from the Beeb regarding the latest claims that Iran is supplying explosives to the 'terrorists' in Iraq:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6353489.stm

 

[valve bouncer]

Frankly I'd be amazed if Iran wasn't supplying any weapons. They'd be idiots not too. Anything that helps keep Bush and co occupied in Iraq is good for them.

 

[fluff]

Someone has to be supplying the Sunnis as well, don't seem to hear so much about that.

Given the principles adhered to in the arms industry we may well be supplying them ourselves. Especially if it is the Iraqi security forces moonlighting.

 

[valve bouncer]

Someone has to be supplying the Sunnis as well, don't seem to hear so much about that.

Given the principles adhered to in the arms industry we may well be supplying them ourselves. Especially if it is the Iraqi security forces moonlighting.

Nothing would surprise me anymore. This has been a monumental f*ck-up from the get go. The only people who still believe in our little trio of morons are the deranged, the retarded and n8.

 

[BurlyShirley]

The only people who still believe in our little trio of morons are the deranged, the retarded and n8.

Isnt that a little redundant?

 

[Westy]

Isnt that a little redundant?

Not really. n8 is more delusional than deranged.

 

[DRB]

Someone has to be supplying the Sunnis as well, don't seem to hear so much about that.

Given the principles adhered to in the arms industry we may well be supplying them ourselves. Especially if it is the Iraqi security forces moonlighting.

I know I know. What is Saudi Arabia? Also acceptable answers would be Kuwait, Egypt and Jordan. If you said Syria, you'd be partially correct because they are pretty much providing to whomever asks nicely.

 

[$tinkle]

Someone has to be supplying the Sunnis as well, don't seem to hear so much about that.

Given the principles adhered to in the arms industry we may well be supplying them ourselves. Especially if it is the Iraqi security forces moonlighting.

good article, fluff.

to add to it, another weapon has been brought to the fore, and maybe responsible for the latest consistent deadly attacks on our helos

this was from yoni's blog, a former israeli special forces dude who is still plugged in to the scene. (rpg in foreground for scale)

but as far as supplying the sunnis, i thought pretty much most of the locals are partial to kalishnikovs. not to say we couldn't broker that deal, but there's lot more market competition than for m16s, et. al. perhaps you meant explosives? if so, there's no telling how to trace that. they're not known to be bar-coded w/ a lot number.

 

[$tinkle]

hmmm, now this: austrian sniper rifle (supplied by iran) being used by insurgents

pretty alarming trends

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Oh jeezuz. A Steyr?!? I fired one...once. Didn't hit anything that I was "aiming" at... But wow, that thing can do some damage if you know how to use it. The guy that actually could shoot it put a pretty good hole through 2 kevlar vests...ouch.

 

[Kihaji]

Oh jeezuz. A Steyr?!? I fired one...once. Didn't hit anything that I was "aiming" at... But wow, that thing can do some damage if you know how to use it. The guy that actually could shoot it put a pretty good hole through 2 kevlar vests...ouch.

Considering the .50cal Barret in the US arsenal is used as a tank immobilizer(A round through the engine), no amount of body armor a person can wear would stop it.

(Hence why according to geneva convention laws, .50 cal weapons are not to be used directly at human targets).

 

[Kihaji]

but as far as supplying the sunnis, i thought pretty much most of the locals are partial to kalishnikovs. not to say we couldn't broker that deal, but there's lot more market competition than for m16s, et. al. perhaps you meant explosives? if so, there's no telling how to trace that. they're not known to be bar-coded w/ a lot number.

Actually, explosives are, but chemically.

 

[luelling]

(Hence why according to geneva convention laws, .50 cal weapons are not to be used directly at human targets).

We're pretty good at following the geneva convention I talked to a coworker who used to be part of the 82nd Airborne and was talking about the Humvees being mounted with 50 cals and Saws....he said they were "supposed" to use the saw on human targets.

 

[DRB]

For the 10 millionth time, a .50 caliber is in no way prohibited by the Geneva convention for use against human targets.

 

[Kihaji]

For the 10 millionth time, a .50 caliber is in no way prohibited by the Geneva convention for use against human targets.

Sorry, just read up on some of it, and contrary to what our Rules of Engagement briefings in some of the countries I've been , you are right. (I actually have some paperwork that states what I said).

So, let me rephrase, a 50 cal rifle has no practical purpose against human targets.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Sorry, just read up on some of it, and contrary to what our Rules of Engagement briefings in some of the countries I've been , you are right. (I actually have some paperwork that states what I said).

So, let me rephrase, a 50 cal rifle has no practical purpose against human targets.

"A really big mess." isn't a practical purpose?? Huh...who'd a thunk it...

 

[dante]

quick question over this... if sale of arms to an insurgent group is grounds for war, should the USSR have invaded us in the 1980s? we sold a LOT more than a couple of sniper rifles to the Afghanis.

 

[Silver]

quick question over this... if sale of arms to an insurgent group is grounds for war, should the USSR have invaded us in the 1980s? we sold a LOT more than a couple of sniper rifles to the Afghanis.

What are you, a faggot commie or something?

 

[$tinkle]

What are you, a faggot commie or something?

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
-- lenin

 

[dante]

What are you, a faggot commie or something?

<runs off to purchase war bonds.>

 

[rockwool]

Interesting article from the Beeb regarding the latest claims that Iran is supplying explosives to the 'terrorists' in Iraq:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6353489.stm

One thing that was mentioned by Swedish national radio, but not by that article, was that there was no clarity in who those people were that brought forth those charges (or something like that, don't remember exactly). They said there were great suspission to those claimes because of all them previous lies but also due to that lack of clarity.
Does someone know anything about this?

 

[DRB]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17129144/

JAKARTA, Indonesia - A top U.S. general said Tuesday there was no evidence the Iranian government was supplying Iraqi insurgents with highly lethal roadside bombs, apparently contradicting claims by other U.S. military and administration officials.

Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said U.S. forces hunting down militant networks that produced roadside bombs had arrested Iranians and that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran.

&#8220;That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this,&#8221; Pace told reporters in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta. &#8220;What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers.&#8221;

 

[Changleen]

I expect many things made in the US are also being used to kill coalition soldiers, too.

Edit: I read an article which said that whilst months ago the EFPs might well have been coming from Iran, they were coming in component form, which is kinda weird. Secondly, more recent finds of the EFPs have included more and more components which appear to be manufactured out of different materials to the 'Iranian' models. The suggestion is that the components are now being manufactured in Iraq itself after the locals learned how to make em.

 

[DRB]

I think that the Steyr rifles are more telling as they can be traced directly back to those purchased by the Iranian government.

As for the shaped charges, they aren't that uncommon in the region for a completely benign purpose. They are used quite extensively in the oil and gas drilling. While not as capable as some of the shaped charges used by the US military, they would certainly be deadly to a Humvee and those inside from a roadside distance.

I don't know if Iran produces them but I'd say they probably do and in some pretty significant numbers. So Iranian Mustafa could very well be taking them out of an inventory and giving them to Iranian Ahmed who gives them to Iraqi Bill. For that matter, they could very well be stealing them out of their own inventories.

Like I said the rifles are certainly more damning.

And how come no ones has called stinkle on the picture of the GI Joe Gun?

 

[$tinkle]

And how come no ones has called stinkle on the picture of the GI Joe Gun?

get bent, buddy. i gots me some footage of a similar model in action

 

[$tinkle]

in the interest of quid-pro-quo, Al Sadr has left Iraq and now in Iran: US officials

 

[rockwool]

I think that the Steyr rifles are more telling as they can be traced directly back to those purchased by the Iranian government.

As for the shaped charges, they aren't that uncommon in the region for a completely benign purpose. They are used quite extensively in the oil and gas drilling. While not as capable as some of the shaped charges used by the US military, they would certainly be deadly to a Humvee and those inside from a roadside distance.

I don't know if Iran produces them but I'd say they probably do and in some pretty significant numbers. So Iranian Mustafa could very well be taking them out of an inventory and giving them to Iranian Ahmed who gives them to Iraqi Bill. For that matter, they could very well be stealing them out of their own inventories.

Like I said the rifles are certainly more damning.

And how come no ones has called stinkle on the picture of the GI Joe Gun?

The Steyr rifles are sertainly more telling that it's so. The explosives are way to common and the technique is simple.