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fluff

Monkey Turbo
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noname said:
Absolutist arguments of everyone or no one are rediculous. We've also invaded Germany, Italy, France, Japan, etc. Wahahahah.
Damn right we used it, everyone seems to bring that up while ignoring the context of the time, shall I give you a little history lesson of the atrosities of the Japanese? The incredibly horrid things they were doing? It had to be done, and facing the same situation we'd do it again.
I doubt you could give me a history lesson. You might like to work on your English however, as there was no absolutist argument in my post.

There is still plenty of debate about whether the use of the atomic bomb was warranted at that stage in the war, when Japanese surrender was inevitable. The second use of the bomb at Nagasaki is much harder to justify than the first use at Hiroshima.

Regardless of that you seem to have a myopic view that what's OK for the US is not OK for those that the US does not like.
 

DaveW

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fluff said:
If you look at the situation dispassionately why is Iran so irrational compared to the US?

They are not when compared to the US.
They (USA) have been threatening them with wars, nuclear attack and sanctions etc etc for a long time now.
And unlike the US they have not yet been braking any international laws, treatys or conventions.

Get off the high horse, the US has been jerking them around since the 1950's that's why they dont hold the US in high regard.
When ever the US has left them alone they have mellowed and moved to become more liberal. When the US has tried ordering them around they have become more hardline. :clue:
 

valve bouncer

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DaveW said:
They are not when compared to the US.
You (USA) have been threatening them with wars, nuclear attack and sanctions etc etc for a long time now.
And unlike the US they have not yet been braking any international laws, treatys or conventions.

Get off the high horse, the US has been jerking them around since the 1950's that's why they dont hold the US in high regard.
When ever the US has left them alone they have mellowed and moved to become more liberal. When the U has tried ordering them around they have become more hardline. :clue:
Psst....Fluff's a Pom....bloody Kiwis, thick as planks.;):rofl:
 

fluff

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Psst....Fluff's a Pom....bloody Kiwis, thick as planks.;):rofl:
Yeah, I think Dave must be having a bad day, he either got the wrong end of the stick with my post or responded to the wrong one.

It's those four-syllable words that confuse 'em...
 

fluff

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Psst....Fluff's a Pom....bloody Kiwis, thick as planks.;):rofl:
Yeah, I think Dave must be having a bad day, he either got the wrong end of the stick with my post or responded to the wrong one.

It's those four-syllable words that confuse 'em...
 

Changleen

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noname said:
aside from the words coming out of the guys own mouth?
Granted I don't think they will have nukes anywhere near as soon as they say they will, it will probly be several years before they are even ready to test one, and even then it will be far too heavy for the missiles they have now and they would never be able to get a plane capable of delivering one over enemy soil.
I just would much rather stop them before they go nuclear than after.
Right now they are just waiting out Bushs term because they know he is the only one willing to stop them.
Ireally can't be bothered to argue with your deluded ass, but I will just say: You are deluded.
 

blue

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He's almost as bad as The Amish...almost.

Bush worships Pakistan, but I think y'all should be more afraid of Pakistan than Iran.

:weee:
 

Transcend

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noname said:
The incredibly horrid things they were doing? It had to be done, and facing the same situation we'd do it again.
Like invading small countries, threatening others throwing people in prison thousands of miles away without a reason, torturing many of them, killing thousands of civilians and then lying to his own people about the reasons?

Sounds familiar doesn't it?
 

ALEXIS_DH

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DaveW said:
They are not when compared to the US.
You (USA) have been threatening them with wars, nuclear attack and sanctions etc etc for a long time now.
And unlike the US they have not yet been braking any international laws, treatys or conventions.

Get off the high horse, the US has been jerking them around since the 1950's that's why they dont hold the US in high regard.
When ever the US has left them alone they have mellowed and moved to become more liberal. When the U has tried ordering them around they have become more hardline. :clue:
national pride and stuff aside.

the us and a few others have had n00k00l4r capability for a while. while it would be "fair" everybody else (specially those directly threatened by the US) had them. the price for justice (even if its rightly fair) is, i believe, too high in terms of relative risks of them going in the wrong hands by accident/negligence, or the countries who have them to go nuts or seek revenge or whatever.

the US has not been a great example of a superpower when it comes to respect of others and a lot of nasty tricks they´ve played in the pat... but allowing more countries to potentially become another "USA", or to risk a few "stolen" nukes, or to have a lot of countries with the ability to start another nuclear war.. is not really an improvement over the current situation.
 
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luelling

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noname said:
Maybe I worry about it a little more because the guys who piloted the planes into the towers had been scoping out my town before the attacks, . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..
Hell...don't even talk...they had a training camp bout 40 miles from my house....Bly Mountain outside of Klamath Falls Oregon and Lakeview Oregon. Made national news
 
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luelling

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ALEXIS_DH said:
national pride and stuff aside.

the us and a few others have had n00k00l4r capability for a while. while it would be "fair" everybody else (specially those directly threatened by the US) had them. the price for justice (even if its rightly fair) is, i believe, too high in terms of relative risks of them going in the wrong hands by accident/negligence, or the countries who have them to go nuts or seek revenge or whatever.

the US has not been a great example of a superpower when it comes to respect of others and a lot of nasty tricks they´ve played in the pat... but allowing more countries to potentially become another "USA", or to risk a few "stolen" nukes, or to have a lot of countries with the ability to start another nuclear war.. is not really an improvement over the current situation.
I agree. For the most part Nuclear weapons are a deturrant, look at the cold war with Russia. First things first....who cares if they blow up Isreal?? Personally I don't and I hate we support them up and down becuase it drags us into politics over there (unfortunetly with Iraq and Afghanistan we are sucked in now anyway).

The Isrealis have proven time and time again since WWII they are capable of taking care of themselves...look at Iraqi's nuke ambitions, Iraqi's long range cannon or anyone involved in the killing of Isreali athletes during the olympics....they have death sqauds that do a good job of killing key people and they also have knowledge of where most of their enemies gear is hidden (and they destroy that with air strikes).

Second thing...they would not be able to reach the U.S. with a missle and like its been said, it wouldn't be in their interest. Having the threat would be, but they would face total destruction if they launched even one nuke towards us. The other issue of us blowing them up before they develop one....that would be a sign of desperation that we couldn't sort the mess out before hands and would horrible in the public eye. Even if we used carpet bombing and not nukes.

I like this forum...people debate more about politics than clips vs flats and RS vs Marz. :)
 

noname

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Transcend said:
Like invading small countries, threatening others throwing people in prison thousands of miles away without a reason, torturing many of them, killing thousands of civilians and then lying to his own people about the reasons?

Sounds familiar doesn't it?
First I wouldn't consider china a small country, second, I think there is a large difference between spreading deadly viruses and pestilence through villages by dropping infected insects and chemical weapons, versus a military force that won't take out an enemy because they happen to be using a religious site for a bunker.
As far as civilian deaths, our military tries harder than any other fighting force in history to keep colateral damage to an absolute minimum. The last time I heard an official overall death toll for the war was about two months ago and it was estimated at a low of 25,000 to a high of just under 50,ooo.
As far as who is actually killing civies, I think the terrorists are winning that hands down.
 

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noname said:
First I wouldn't consider china a small country, second, I think there is a large difference between spreading deadly viruses and pestilence through villages by dropping infected insects and chemical weapons, versus a military force that won't take out an enemy because they happen to be using a religious site for a bunker.
As far as civilian deaths, our military tries harder than any other fighting force in history to keep colateral damage to an absolute minimum. The last time I heard an official overall death toll for the war was about two months ago and it was estimated at a low of 25,000 to a high of just under 50,ooo.
As far as who is actually killing civies, I think the terrorists are winning that hands down.
Are you actually wearing blinkers?

"Well, I shot him in the head officer, but I was careful to try not to get blood on the carpet, so that makes it OK."
 

noname

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Changleen said:
Are you actually wearing blinkers?

"Well, I shot him in the head officer, but I was careful to try not to get blood on the carpet, so that makes it OK."
I'll let that stand as it's own example
 

LordOpie

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Actually mate, there is another world out there that has different words for stuff. It's called other countries. Sorry.
You guys call "blinders", "blinkers"?

No wonder you're a third world country.






:D
 

valve bouncer

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LordOpie said:
You guys call "blinders", "blinkers"?

No wonder you're a third world country.






:D
I suppose when you go to Australia you wanna see the "dangaroos" as well? Stupid Americans, it's lucky you've got sensible English-speaking people like the Indians to save you.
 

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LordOpie said:
You guys call "blinders", "blinkers"?

No wonder you're a third world country.






:D
I went into a supermarket in Sedona, AZ looking for tinned tomatoes. It was a mainly fresh produce store and I was in a rush so I asked a assistant "Where are your canned tomatoes?" He looked at me like I asked for cocaine or something and said sorry, we don't have canned tomatoes, but the fresh ones were in the produce section. (Duh) I was slightly disbelieving that any supermarket didn't carry this most basic of products and five seconds later I found them. I saw him on the way out, waved the can and said "Found em!" He just looked confused. Is the idea that people might call a tin a can or can a tin really that hard to grasp? Same deal with calling a boot a trunk, a sink a faucet and trousers pants. Wake up!
 

Changleen

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LordOpie said:
You guys call "blinders", "blinkers"?

No wonder you're a third world country.
When you use the phrase "He had a blinkered world view" where do you think it comes from?
 

blue

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I really don't understand why you people are arguing about this. Different names for the same thing.

And horses are lame.
 

Reactor

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Changleen said:
I went into a supermarket in Sedona, AZ looking for tinned tomatoes. It was a mainly fresh produce store and I was in a rush so I asked a assistant "Where are your canned tomatoes?" He looked at me like I asked for cocaine or something and said sorry, we don't have canned tomatoes, but the fresh ones were in the produce section. (Duh) I was slightly disbelieving that any supermarket didn't carry this most basic of products and five seconds later I found them. I saw him on the way out, waved the can and said "Found em!" He just looked confused. Is the idea that people might call a tin a can or can a tin really that hard to grasp? Same deal with calling a boot a trunk, a sink a faucet and trousers pants. Wake up!

It has nothing to do with a language barrier.....he was probably stoned off his *** fron the vortex party and spirit reading ath shirley McClains house the previous night.
 

valve bouncer

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Changleen said:
I went into a supermarket in Sedona, AZ looking for tinned tomatoes. It was a mainly fresh produce store and I was in a rush so I asked a assistant "Where are your canned tomatoes?" He looked at me like I asked for cocaine or something and said sorry, we don't have canned tomatoes, but the fresh ones were in the produce section. (Duh) I was slightly disbelieving that any supermarket didn't carry this most basic of products and five seconds later I found them. I saw him on the way out, waved the can and said "Found em!" He just looked confused. Is the idea that people might call a tin a can or can a tin really that hard to grasp? Same deal with calling a boot a trunk, a sink a faucet and trousers pants. Wake up!
Even saying letterbox makes people twitter uncontrollably around here.;)
 

LordOpie

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Reactor said:
It has nothing to do with a language barrier.....he was probably stoned off his *** fron the vortex party and spirit reading ath shirley McClains house the previous night.
Or he was an idiot. I was at Target the other day -- forgot what I was looking for, but was certain they had it. I asked three people, first two said they didn't have it, third asked his manager who said, "Yeah, aisle 42c". The guy relayed the info, straight face, said, "yup, aisle 41b."

'tards.
 
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luelling

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I wish I was a mod to get you ja** a** back on subject. Do you have to bicker like little girls? Stick to the subject.....if you want to bicker about blinders/blinkers and every other language difference between England/Australia/America do it on pm
 

LordOpie

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luelling said:
I wish I was a mod to get you ja** a** back on subject. Do you have to bicker like little girls? Stick to the subject.....if you want to bicker about blinders/blinkers and every other language difference between England/Australia/America do it on pm
thing is, that's what we do when a topic has run it's course.

If you think there's something new to discuss, post and people will reply.

It's just the dynamic of conversations... it's not cuz you're boring ;)
 
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luelling

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LordOpie said:
thing is, that's what we do when a topic has run it's course.

If you think there's something new to discuss, post and people will reply.

It's just the dynamic of conversations... it's not cuz you're boring ;)
I'll accpet it...topic dead..fun while it lasted :(
 

fluff

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Changleen said:
No offence, but that's really dumb. Do they blind the horse? No. Why call them blinders? It's vision is blinkered, not blinded.
No offence, but that's just as dumb. Do they blink the horse? No. Why call them blinkers? Its vision is partially blocked, they should be called partial blockers.
 

fluff

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fluff said:
No offence, but that's just as dumb. Do they blink the horse? No. Why call them blinkers? Its vision is partially blocked, they should be called partial blockers.
Yeah, smartass, but that's just even dumber... stupid to call them anything, just call them things. And call other stuff other things.

Fvckwits
 

Changleen

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fluff said:
No offence, but that's just as dumb. Do they blink the horse? No. Why call them blinkers? Its vision is partially blocked, they should be called partial blockers.
Learn your olde Englishe.