[RenegadeRick]

Watch the chimp speak (or should I say trip over his own words) here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/

BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?

BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing.

:mumble: :mumble: :mumble:

 

[jonKranked]

and this is why chimpanzees from the zoo shouldn't be allowed to run for office

 

[Toshi]

"freedom agenda" is PURE newspeak.

 

[Changleen]

So Iraq is continuing to take it in the neck for 'Nothing':

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5052138.stm

 

[Silver]

So Iraq is continuing to take it in the neck for 'Nothing':

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5052138.stm

You call a bunch of dead Arabs "Nothing"

How dare you? The nerve...

 

[N8 v2.0]

I think the liberals should get a canidate to run against Bush in 2008...

 

[BurlyShirley]

Another groundbreaking post.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Another groundbreaking post.

I believe it is the first time that Bush has said so unequivocally.

 

[RenegadeRick]

I believe it is the first time that Bush has said so unequivocally.

Here is what he said when he wanted to go to war in Iraq.
From whitehouse.gov:

Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH

 

[Old Man G Funk]

It occurs to me though that if you go further in the press conference Bush says,

Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.

So, he's still equivocating.

 

[Echo]

I'm pretty sure my neighbor doesn't like me. Can I shoot him?

 

[RenegadeRick]

It occurs to me though that if you go further in the press conference Bush says,
So, he's still equivocating.

he is trying...

...and nobody ever suggested that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 except him.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

he is trying...

...and nobody ever suggested that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 except him.

Cheney, Wolfowitz, and others also said the same thing. It's not just Bush, but the whole administration.

 

[BurlyShirley]

...well there's been tons of equivocation by Fox and all that too. I mean, most people still beleive that there's some connection as a recent poll showed.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Here's a take in Slate on that press conference.

http://www.slate.com/id/2148197?nav=wp

 

[ohio]

At least he's not a flip-flopper like Kerry

 

[luelling]

At least he's not a flip-flopper like Kerry

Nice use of Bush rhetoric. Next your going to tell me mission accomplished

 

[kidwoo]

Nice use of Bush rhetoric. Next your going to tell me mission accomplished

Probably.

Ohio is is a senior member of the Christian Coalition Family Values think tank and a local republican fundraiser. You should hang out here for a while and see the stupid sh1t that comes out of him. He's all soundbites.

 

[Upgr8r]

I'm pretty sure my neighbor doesn't like me. Can I shoot him?

better shoot him before he shoots you. Nuthin' like a good ol' preemptive strike

 

[rockwool]

Watch the chimp speak (or should I say trip over his own words) here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/



:mumble: :mumble: :mumble:

Hmm, thinkprogress... don't like that word. Sounds like a word that is used by them who don't want us to follow our leaders.


"BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq."
-Nice to see they are on a first name basis.


Very informative article Changleen!


The slate.com article vas good too, nice disection(spelling?) of GWB's arguments!

This is a bit OT but I find it to remarcable to just leave uncomented:

Cut from the slate.com article:
"The total number of voters, in such a context, means nothing. Look at American history. In the 1860 election, held right before our own Civil War, 81.2 percent of eligible citizens voted—the second-largest turnout ever."

I have the impression that only about 50% of US citizens vote now days. A remacably low percentage. The politicians paniced after the last election Sweden had 4 years ago when the voting participation crept under 80%, talking about that the democracy was in danger..

 

[BurlyShirley]

I think the % of Americans who vote is below 50%.

 

[luelling]

I think the % of Americans who vote is below 50%.

Our last local election drew dismal numbers, something like 30% of registered voters actually voted (and I was part of the 70% ) I was busy riding my bike….or maybe I was drinking beer….something important like that

 

[sanjuro]

At least he's not a flip-flopper like Kerry

Thank god. Bush is Mr. 100%, 100% wrong.

Give me a break about flip flopping. Kerry was part a bipartisan legistlative body which passes thousands of bills. Bush ran a state singularily.

Put it this way, would Kerry have messed it up as badly as Geo Bush?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Put it this way, would Kerry have messed it up as badly as Geo Bush?

That's the thing, you dont know what the **** he wouldve done. He prolly would've invaded Iraq and then convicted his own troops as war criminals. He was a fvcktard.

 

[sanjuro]

That's the thing, you dont know what the **** he wouldve done. He prolly would've invaded Iraq and then convicted his own troops as war criminals. He was a fvcktard.

i can say unequivocally that he would not have messed it up as badly as bush. hell, gore wouldn't invaded.

actually, i was sorta glad that bush won, because now he has to clean up his own mess....

 

[BurlyShirley]

i can say unequivocally that he would not have messed it up as badly as bush. hell, gore wouldn't invaded.

actually, i was sorta glad that bush won, because now he has to clean up his own mess....

What do you mean, he'll be done in two years and this crap wont be close to over.

Thing is, with Bush, you knew exactly what you were getting when you voted. With kerry, it was a crapshoot. Was he going to be a patriot or tossing medals onto teh whitehouse lawn?

Plus his face was REAL stupid.

 

[sanjuro]

My argument against Bush is had no record to judge, and what little he had, like his time the Champagne Brigade was obscured while Kerry's very legitmate war record was smeared just enough to negate its value.

I will always think the Bush campaign was spectacular and the democrats a total failure.

On a different note, I think only soldiers from Red States should serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[BurlyShirley]

My argument against Bush is had no record to judge, and what little he had, like his time the Champagne Brigade was obscured while Kerry's very legitmate war record was smeared just enough to negate its value.

I will always think the Bush campaign was spectacular and the democrats a total failure.

On a different note, I think only soldiers from Red States should serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kerry ran against bush the SECOND time around. Bush had quite a record, I assure you.

 

[rockwool]

Thing is, with Bush, you knew exactly what you were getting when you voted. With kerry, it was a crapshoot.

WORD!

 

[sanjuro]

Kerry ran against bush the SECOND time around. Bush had quite a record, I assure you.

That's right, and he STILL got re elected...

 

[luelling]

That's right, and he STILL got re elected...

I love this debate......you can never convince someone who loves Bush that he sucks. I have friends who voted for him and are die hard about it....so we just refrain from talking about it. I just wish he would dump the stupid ass smirk

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I love this debate......you can never convince someone who loves Bush that he sucks. I have friends who voted for him and are die hard about it....so we just refrain from talking about it. I just wish he would dump the stupid ass smirk

But it so hard to when that picture of the monkey blowing itself pops into his head every 13.2 seconds....

 

[Old Man G Funk]

That's the thing, you dont know what the **** he wouldve done. He prolly would've invaded Iraq and then convicted his own troops as war criminals. He was a fvcktard.

That would have been hard to do, considering we had already invaded Iraq.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

What do you mean, he'll be done in two years and this crap wont be close to over.

Thing is, with Bush, you knew exactly what you were getting when you voted. With kerry, it was a crapshoot. Was he going to be a patriot or tossing medals onto teh whitehouse lawn?

Plus his face was REAL stupid.

Tossing medals onto the white house lawn doesn't necessarily make one less of a patriot. That you would even say that makes me doubt your words on the other thread about whether you love America for real reasons or for jingoistic ones.

 

[DaveW]

Some one emailed this to me today..... I think it fit's quite well with the content of this thread.

If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000
troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22
months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm
death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in WashingtonD.C.is 80.6 per 100,000
for the same period.

That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and
killed in the U.S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest
gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.

Conclusion: The U.S.should pull out of Washington

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

lol at the math.

 

[Changleen]

Indeed. Such are republican lies.

 

[RenegadeRick]

That's right, and he STILL got re elected...

There is some debate on that point. Did you read the Kennedy Article?

 

[sanjuro]

There is some debate on that point. Did you read the Kennedy Article?

I just breezed it, but it looks interesting.

But frankly, I believe with any competition, there is the game within the game. From the Florida recount to the allegations made here, the Democrats have to know that the champ always has the advantage in a decision, and should have fought harder to prevent any fraurd.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

I just breezed it, but it looks interesting.

But frankly, I believe with any competition, there is the game within the game. From the Florida recount to the allegations made here, the Democrats have to know that the champ always has the advantage in a decision, and should have fought harder to prevent any fraurd.

That smacks of blaming the victim.