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preppie

preppie

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Aug 30, 2002
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Well I might be a newbie, but I'm not ignorant concerning world politics. The Europeans did their share of "occupation" in the past...sure we know that and we aren't too patriotic to admit that.
But we learned from our mistakes and that's the main reason why we always try to keep it 'diplomatic' and that's why we didn't and still don't support the "war on terrorism".
The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq based on wrong information,
so for most Europeans the war is a "crime".
We are not Pro-saddam, not at all, we just don't believe that this war made the region 'better'. Most Iraqi's say that it is just as bad as... or worse than it was 14 months ago.
I do have respect for those who fight for their country, but this
isn't fighting for your country, this is just plain wrong, because there was NO direct threat for the USA....and why exactly did the US invaded Iraq ??

Your "an eye for an eye" mentality will only make things worse.
Why don't you fight the 'real terrorists' by intelligence agencies/forces? It's more effective and more human for those who have nothing to do with terror, that’s 97% of the Afghan/ Iraqi people.
 
LordOpie

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by MMike
Oh please....my comments were pretty inocuous...and funny to some. Anyone who would actually find that offensive must have a really difficult time emerging from under their bed every day to face the world.

The sand in everyone collective vaginss around here is just staggering.......
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oh, I thought it was funny, well, mildly amusing, but really, you're the one whose panties are all twisted now. Just let it go. Count to 10... good.

Originally posted by nicklin
hmm.....isn't Spain now suddenly switching sides acting like they are so nnocent in world affairs?
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see, that's the problem with politics... the enemy doesn't care if a country switches administrations. I suspect Spain's new admin wants to change things and while the new leaders may not have participated in any of spain's mistakes, they better realize that the enemies don't care.

Originally posted by preppie
1 The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq based on wrong information,

2 Most Iraqi's say that it is just as bad as... or worse than it was 14 months ago.

3 Your "an eye for an eye" mentality will only make things worse.

4 Why don't you fight the 'real terrorists' by intelligence agencies/forces? It's more effective and more human for those who have nothing to do with terror, that’s 97% of the Afghan/ Iraqi people.
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1. That's debateable.

2. of course it's bad now, the country is going thru a major transition... that ain't easy.

3. Haha... wrong! It's more like you poke us in the eye, we kill 1000 of your people. And it doesn't make things worse cuz the enemy is dead.

4. Good question. I'd prefer surgical strikes against our enemies. I'd prefer assassinations of the bad guys and leave the civilians out of it as much as possible. Hmm, sounds familiar and recent, but I just can't recall which country is trying to do that. It's on the tip of my tongue...
 
$tinkle

$tinkle

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Originally posted by preppie
But we learned from our mistakes and that's the main reason why we always try to keep it 'diplomatic' and that's why we didn't and still don't support the "war on terrorism".
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so give your perspective on what you think the euro response would have been if you had a september 11th type tragedy. And please don't evade by saying something like "our foreign policy would have prevented the situation". Please start from the 'what if"
Originally posted by preppie
The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq based on wrong information
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my position is that al-qaeda is bad, al-qaeda/taliban were running afghanistan, and are certainly advertised in iraq now, ipso facto...
Originally posted by preppie
We are not Pro-saddam, not at all,
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as long as france is part of the EU, i can hang that around your neck.
Originally posted by preppie
we just don't believe that this war made the region 'better'. Most Iraqi's say that it is just as bad as... or worse than it was 14 months ago.
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my hope is that one day you will, and these things take precious time. Perhaps a generation or two. Sure, it's volatile now - can't argue that.
Originally posted by preppie
I do have respect for those who fight for their country, but this
isn't fighting for your country, this is just plain wrong, because there was NO direct threat for the USA....and why exactly did the US invaded Iraq ??
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i think we both know each other's arguments & counter-arguments. Let's just pretend we've had the exchange & call it good.
Originally posted by preppie
Your "an eye for an eye" mentality will only make things worse.
Why don't you fight the 'real terrorists' by intelligence agencies/forces? It's more effective and more human for those who have nothing to do with terror, that’s 97% of the Afghan/ Iraqi people.
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can you please cite one historical example of this "more effective" campaign? This sounds (to me) dangerously close to 'peace in our time'
 
preppie

preppie

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Aug 30, 2002
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Originally posted by $tinkle
so give your perspective on what you think the euro response would have been if you had a september 11th type tragedy. And please don't evade by saying something like "our foreign policy would have prevented the situation". Please start from the 'what if"my position is that al-qaeda is bad, al-qaeda/taliban were running afghanistan, and are certainly advertised in iraq now, ipso facto...
as long as france is part of the EU, i can hang that around your neck.my hope is that one day you will, and these things take precious time. Perhaps a generation or two. Sure, it's volatile now - can't argue that. i think we both know each other's arguments & counter-arguments. Let's just pretend we've had the exchange & call it good.can you please cite one historical example of this "more effective" campaign? This sounds (to me) dangerously close to 'peace in our time'
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Ok, I'll give it a try, the Euro response to what happened if we had an 11 September type situation?
I don't know what other European countries 'would' do in an 11/9 situation, but I know that we won't go to war with an entire country when the UN says loud and clear: NO war.
If you really want an answer, well look at what Spain did after the train bombs. The intelligence agency of Spain searched and found the ones who did this and when they found them, the terrorists blew themselves up...and after the elections the Spanish troops went back home.
And the "our foreign policy would have prevented the situation" still stands. Look at what the US did the last 30 years in that region...well is it that strange that "they" hate the US (and friends) and want to get even?
You just can't fight a 'relative' small group of terrorists with an entire army...for most people this is just a vulgar display of power and in the end a lot of innocent people suffered for nothing.
It's becoming more and more a downward spiral and is that what you want? Don't think so.

I still don't understand why so many people keep justifying this war?
 
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sshappy

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Apr 20, 2004
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Middle of Nowhere
Originally posted by $tinkle
so give your perspective on what you think the euro response would have been if you had a september 11th type tragedy. And please don't evade by saying something like "our foreign policy would have prevented the situation".
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The only example I can think of that is remotely comparable is the IRA bombing of the Grand Hotel win Brighton in 1984 when the majority of the British Government were staying there. it did not cause the British to invade Eire...

Check out the history of Terrorism in Europe. (Good tip is to look up Sarajevo 1914, probably the last time a European state decided invading an entire country was the answer (or should I have used excuse there..) Invasion works so well after all.

Originally posted by $tinkle

Please start from the 'what if"my position is that al-qaeda is bad, al-qaeda/taliban were running afghanistan, and are certainly advertised in iraq now, ipso facto...
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They are in Iraq _now_ perhaps, but that's more as a result of the invasion that a cause of it.

Originally posted by $tinkle

as long as france is part of the EU, i can hang that around your neck....
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This being the 'pro-Saddam' accusation... Who helped put him in power? Got any pictures of Chirac shaking Saddam's hand after he gassed the Kurds? Did France veto the UN condemnation of that action (or was that the US?). The US has no moral high ground in the corruption stakes.
 
nicklin

nicklin

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Aug 23, 2002
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Originally posted by $tinkle
so give your perspective on what you think the euro response would have been if you had a september 11th type tragedy. And please don't evade by saying something like "our foreign policy would have prevented the situation". Please start from the 'what if"my position is that al-qaeda is bad, al-qaeda/taliban were running afghanistan, and are certainly advertised in iraq now, ipso facto...
as long as france is part of the EU, i can hang that around your neck.my hope is that one day you will, and these things take precious time. Perhaps a generation or two. Sure, it's volatile now - can't argue that. i think we both know each other's arguments & counter-arguments. Let's just pretend we've had the exchange & call it good.can you please cite one historical example of this "more effective" campaign? This sounds (to me) dangerously close to 'peace in our time'
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Amen.
 
nicklin

nicklin

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Aug 23, 2002
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wherever I may roam/riding on a lightening bolt/ha
Originally posted by preppie
Maybe it's time to start thinking for yourself and not just copy-paste what someone else says.

So.
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I've said enough here.
don't get all pissy when people have similar opinions that happens to be not like yours. if I were to say "amen" to your comment, I seriously doubt that you would accuse me of copy-pasting.
How about you starting not get all agitated every time someone dissagree with you?
 
$tinkle

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by nicklin
I've said enough here.
don't get all pissy when people have similar opinions that happens to be not like yours. if I were to say "amen" to your comment, I seriously doubt that you would accuse me of copy-pasting.
How about you starting not get all agitated every time someone dissagree with you?
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word.
 
preppie

preppie

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Aug 30, 2002
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Originally posted by Spud
You made me laugh - damn that was best thing in 4 pages of this thread :thumb:
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Oh well, the arrogance that the USA is displaying is funny ?
The fact that the gouvenrment is lying more and more and most of you still keep supporting this war that's just plain stupid.
I did answer the questions that you guys asked me (page 3)
why don't you reply to that ? too difficult ? Are you gonna wait untill someone else reply's, so you guys can reply to that ?

If you can't open your eyes, at least try to think for yourself :thumb:
 
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sshappy

Chimp
Apr 20, 2004
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Middle of Nowhere
Originally posted by preppie
Oh well, the arrogance that the USA is displaying is funny ?
The fact that the gouvenrment is lying more and more and most of you still keep supporting this war that's just plain stupid.
I did answer the questions that you guys asked me (page 3)
why don't you reply to that ? too difficult ? Are you gonna wait untill someone else reply's, so you guys can reply to that ?

If you can't open your eyes, at least try to think for yourself :thumb:
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amen
 
Slugman

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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Originally posted by preppie
If you can't open your eyes, at least try to think for yourself :thumb:
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Didn't you get he memo, the republicans are in charge.. that is not allowed. Their leader:
 
Silver

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by Slugman
Didn't you get he memo, the republicans are in charge.. that is not allowed. Their leader:
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Is that just his suit bunching up around his arm, or has he started wearing a black armband?
 
Spud

Spud

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Aug 9, 2001
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Preppie - Many of us have been beating the same drum and re-hashing our positions in this forum for over a year. $tinkle cracked me up with that response – I’m not going to change the world or even educate my fellow monkeys by posting in this forum, but the entertainment value is good. If you like please go back and read some of my posts in this thread to see my position, you might see that $tinkle and I aren’t exactly tonguing each other and singing koombaya. :love:

Actually, I am thinking for myself and that little quip was funny...
 
$tinkle

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Spud
Preppie - Many of us have been beating the same drum and re-hashing our positions in this forum for over a year. $tinkle cracked me up with that response – I’m not going to change the world or even educate my fellow monkeys by posting in this forum, but the entertainment value is good. If you like please go back and read some of my posts in this thread to see my position, you might see that $tinkle and I aren’t exactly tonguing each other and singing koombaya. :love:

Actually, I am thinking for myself and that little quip was funny...
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plus, i got a new avi out of the deal.
 
valve bouncer

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Japan
Originally posted by partsbara
REMEMBER 45 !
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We won.......and don't you Germans forget it:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;) ;) :) :D :D .......Not dead anyway, but jet lagged to hell....managed to all but avoid the war for two weeks.
 
Trond

Trond

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Oct 22, 2002
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Godwin's Law: prov.
[Usenet] “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

:p
 
Old_Dude

Old_Dude

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Nov 13, 2001
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If you want to -fight- for your country, it's your choice/right.
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Mark my words: As more terrorist attacks are unleashed against the United States, the military draft will be reinacted. I think this will happen within the next year and a half to two years.

When the draft happens I WILL NOT let either of my three sons go to fight in Iraq. Right now, they are aged 21, 18 and 15. I could see going to get Bin Laden, or something similar - I'll be the first to go and do that, but not Iraq, or something similary stupid.

I honestly don't understand the military personell who risk their lives in Iraq - but that's their choice - if they don't have enough common sense to quit, or to get out, then they're just as stupid as their leaders who tell them to go over there in the first place.

I thank God I have enough sense & courage to stand up against that total bulls*it in Iraq & I will not fight a useless conflict.
 
LordOpie

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Old_Dude
I honestly don't understand the military personell who risk their lives in Iraq - but that's their choice - if they don't have enough common sense to quit, or to get out, then they're just as stupid as their leaders who tell them to go over there in the first place.

I thank God I have enough sense & courage to stand up against that total bulls*it in Iraq & I will not fight a useless conflict.
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wow, quite the ego ya got there. Somehow you believe that you're right and it's IMPOSSIBLE that that another point of view may be just as valid. Some of the soldiers have no choice... they joined and don't want to desert. Some are doing it because THEY BELIEVE it's the right thing. Are you going to actually sit there and insist that they are absolutely wrong? And that they're stupid for doing what they believe is right?

:rolleyes:
 
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