[Damn True]

I predict that it will continue to be tough, but the end result will be worth it.

Im sure there were those who questioned the viability of bringing liberty to Japan and Germany. It wasn't easy, it was expensive. The result is worth it. I'm sure citizens of those countries old enough to remember the alternative would agree.

 

[Skookum]

Yes, that's exactly what I said. For an adult, you sure stick your fingers in your ears a lot. That must be hard to do with your head up your ass, and yet you manage. I'm truly impressed.

ahahaha that's awesome..... he's got "your kind" pegged N8. ink:

People should remember that the U.S. isn't a democracy. Seems odd that we're preaching what we don't necessarily practice. But putting in a puppet regime under the control of Iraq under at least the semblance of democrcacy is certainly better than just a straight dictatorship or false monarchy. What's done is done, we'll just have to wait and see how things shake out. Way too early to tell what's gonna happen there, although i have little confidence due to prior decision making from the president.

 

[TheInedibleHulk]

I predict that it will continue to be tough, but the end result will be worth it.

Im sure there were those who questioned the viability of bringing liberty to Japan and Germany. It wasn't easy, it was expensive. The result is worth it. I'm sure citizens of those countries old enough to remember the alternative would agree.

Liberty for Japan and Germany?? What are you talking about? I dont think too many americans were too concerned about the liberty of the japanese and the germans in WWII. Dropping A-bombs on civilian targets is a strange way to show concern. Today we may look back and say that those countries are better off because their WWII-era govts were destroyed, but at the time I think stopping them from world domination was a little more of an issue. It's an entirely inaccurate comparison.

As Ive said before, I think both sides in this issue are dancing around the real issue, which is the source fo the authority on which the US acts. I have no doubt the Iraq's government was backward and repressive and Saddam Hussein is a bastard. The real question is did we or did we not have the RIGHT to invade the soveriegn nation of Iraq, arrest everyone in it's government, and destory much of its infrastructure in the process. If you think the answer is yes, what gives the US the authority to do so? Can we invade the country of every human rights violater in the world, or just the ones we really don't like and have no trade interests with? What draws the line for what we can and cannot do? The arroagnce that is displayed in the invasion of Iraq is the reason why Europe is so anti-american, and it is a legitimate reason. We are the stupid jock on the world playground, and the other kids are tired of us acting like we own the place. Im glad the elections went relatively smoothly, and I think it is a step in the right direction, but you Bush supporters should be thanking Jebus that you dodged a bloodbath rather than gloating. The country is still a mess and I have no doubt it will take many more years to retore it to order and prosperity. The way I see it, the country will never be at peace until every insurgent is dead, and every time you kill an insurgent you make his son or cousin or brother into one, so good luck with that.

 

[syadasti]

Another thing...

What is with these uninformed people on the right - eating up what the Administration tells them? They forget that Iraq was under the US umbrella for 30 years with SH in power?!?!

The administration tries to play it like this has never happened before, it has...

"Iraq's first free and fair election since the 1950s; its detractors argue such a thing is impossible while the US military maintains its presence. What is unarguable is that Sunday's election will be Iraq's most complicated, far removed from the yes/no ballots under Saddam Hussein that gave close to 100% popular support to the former dictator."

Iraq has tried democracy before and it failed in their culture. We supported them when they weren't a democracy and SH was killing his people.

 

[fluff]

They died – and now we sneer
Daily Telegraph | January 30, 2005 | Leo McKinsry | LINK

The wind moaned gently in the nearby forest of the Vosges mountain. A thick blanket of snow lay on the ground and on the thousands of white crosses that marked the graves of US servicemen who had fallen in France during the Second World War.

With my wife and her aunt Nancy from Pittsburgh, we had come to the American military cemetery at Epinal in eastern France, where 5,200 US soldiers are buried. We were paying tribute to one of those brave men, Private Bill Anderson from Pennsylvania, Nancy's brother, who went through D-Day and then died at the age of just 19 in November 1944 while on a dangerous reconnaissance mission.

As we stood by the headstone, Nancy read out a heart-rending letter to Bill that she had written before leaving America. Full of poignant memories of their young life together, the letter captured the spirit of heroic optimism that had led Bill to give his life for the cause of freedom in Europe. Though I was born almost 20 years after Bill died, I was overwhelmed with gratitude for the sacrifice he had made, a feeling reinforced as I lifted my eyes from his grave towards the arch that overlooks the cemetery. On it were carved words of remembrance for those "citizens of every calling bred in the principles of American democracy".

To European intellectuals, the term "American democracy" is probably an oxymoron. Though such sophisticated cynicism is contradicted by events in Iraq, where – just like in France 60 years ago – US soldiers have been sacrificing their lives to liberate a people from tyranny, anti-Americanism is now written into the European psyche, the last acceptable prejudice in a culture that makes a fetish of racial equality. Indeed, as I walked through the cemetery, my sense of gratitude at Bill's service was accompanied by deep, almost visceral, anger at my fellow Europeans for their constant sneering at America and their gloating over the body count in Iraq, despite all that the USA has done to free Europe in the past from totalitarian dictatorships, whether they be Nazi or communist.

Last week, the world marked the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. Although it was achieved by the Russian army, it would never have happened without US intervention in western Europe, which forced Germany to fight on two fronts. America's action was purely altruistic. Whereas Russia was engaged in a life-and-death struggle for survival, the USA was not directly threatened by the Nazi domination of Europe.

What sickens me is that we in Europe are fed a constant diet of anti-American propaganda because of the USA's supposed aggression, greed, imperialism or insularity. Yet, at the very same time, we are urged, through the remorseless process of European integration, to embrace Germany, the country responsible for most of the ills of Europe for the past 140 years. Perhaps even worse is the way the experience of Nazism has been used to promote the ideology of multi-culturalism.

Any objection to mass immigration or the destruction of traditional Judaeo-Christian moral values is deemed as racist, akin to support for fascism. As a result, in the name of multi-cultural tolerance, we have allowed the creation of the brutal, anti-democratic monster of Islamism in our midst.

It is a bizarre paradox that the hysteria over Nazism has encouraged Europe to be swamped by Islam, in which anti-Semitism appears to be an integral part of the creed – tellingly, the Muslim Council of Britain refused to take part in the Holocaust commemorations. Instead of falling under the sway of Islam and European federalism, it would be better if Europe followed the values of America, a country that has always understood the meaning of the word "freedom".

Odd that, an anti-European diatribe whinging about European anti-American sentiment without a single example of the latter. Not to mention the string of historical inaccuracies.

Printed in a European newspaper no less, oh the irony.

 

[ohio]

A free Iraq will be yet another nail in the liberal democratic party's coffin.

We can only hope...

I would love to see a successfully free Iraq, and I'd like few things more than to have the democrat roster wiped clean so that a better liberal party could emerge.

I find that statement funny coming from you, however; you're focus seems to be on "winning"... in which case the current democratic party is the best thing that ever happened to you.

 

[binary visions]

I find it funny that people still try and argue with N8.

His cut-and-paste rhetoric amounts to little more than drivel that could be dug up by most twelve year olds if they had the time and interest to browse news websites all day long.

 

[N8 v2.0]

This is the second election the liberals in the US have lost in nearly as many months...

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