Ironhorse Seven.7
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Sorry for the non-responses everyone. I've been in Taiwan/China giving production a kick in the butt and starting on 06 projects.
-ska todd
I hate to directly compare brands as every one has a different approach to sales, marketing, design & spec but check out the Session 7 and the Demo 8 and you will see the bike is in the right price range.Tharkun said:
The bikes at Dirt Demo were pre production models. They are close to the production bikes but didn't have a couple of the finishing touches, namely a nifty forged BB/lower pivot.-BB- said:
Frames are scheduled for late winter/early spring. Color = metallic black.eastcoastzigzag said:when will the 7. frame b available? what colors? should i look at the 05 VW line up?
Pete and Cam from NSMB both have 7POINT protos. They are 2 of the lucky fewAcadian said:
FSA will be stocking the 83x128's. I just saw them over in Taiwan this week. They should have more info soon. An 85 BB will work fine too. That's what the team was running on their bikes this season.Acadian said:
The frames are the same on all 3 models. The only difference is the shock and component spec.Spunger said:
Damnit I wish the Porsche 911 was cheaper I want it so bad.Tharkun said:
-ska todd
Actually, for price, don't sell them short. I have seen their prices be pretty competetive with the states. I doubt you could buy frame only though, but I know for sure the prices were decent.Tharkun said:
My only beef is the lack of knowledge they have for bikes, I go into the vancouver one in new west often just to tease the sales guys. Pretend to buy, look, ask questions, get dumb answers, ask more questions, then start dropping bombs like vpp, fsr/horst and dw-link. Someday I will likely buy one to make it worth their time, but to see their faces when they think they will get a 5% commision on a 3000$ bike, hahaha, THATS priceless
Yeah that's fair enough ska todd. But sport check? A place that tries to do everything can't specialize in one area. And if I were to drop 3000 on a bike, I don't think it would be at a sport check. I heard that maybe IH was going to change the sport check only thing in Canada, any truth to that?
I'm quite jealous!!ska todd said:Pete and Cam from NSMB both have 7POINT protos. They are 2 of the lucky few
-ska todd
you can always buy online. Thats what I intend to do. I wouldn't buy from them either, but considering I can build my own bike I would buy it, strip it, rebuild it. Give it my own touch.Tharkun said:
I know a few of the mechs for sportcheck...one was decent, the rest...ok at best.
I don't care, as long as it's stated one way or the other. Personally I'd like to see both listings, with and without, plus mention of what spring was weighed with the shock. Guess I'm picky.Jm_ said:
Like listing bike geo, almost every manufacturer is very vague. You need to list the 3 items that contribute to your geo: ft and rr tires (model and size) and especially the fork. With the huge differences in a-c height of various forks, no wonder some people are shocked when the build up their bikes and the geo is not what they'd expected.
"They?"Jm_ said:
"notorious?"
So your saying that not only is this a trait unique to Iron Horse, but the fact that they do it has been demonstrated far and wide? Sure... I think I saw a 60 minutes special on it.
Gimme a freakin' break. EVERY manufacturer quotes weight without shock. Some also quote frame with shock, but that's cretainly not the default. Not like they're trying to slip one by you (well maybe by YOU). It's like asking BestBuy to label DVD players "does not include DVDs." Most folks just assume...
That level of detail would be nice, but I disagree that it's necessary. All you need is the frame weight without shock. That puts all frames on the same level.Bulldog said:
For geo, it's safe to assume that the numbers are for equal diameter tires, so you just need the A-C.
good point
is it really true that frame weights are usually quoted without shock? if so my canfield f1 is just about in the seven.7 range, since it weighed 11.8 lbs with 9.5x3 swinger 6 way, chainguide plate, and rear axle
<-- directed to those who weigh frames without shocks, not towards canfield bros
<-- directed to those who weigh frames without shocks, not towards canfield bros
Toshi You are right - your F1 is under 10 lbs. without shock. Crazy right.Toshi said:is it really true that frame weights are usually quoted without shock? if so my canfield f1 is just about in the seven.7 range, since it weighed 11.8 lbs with 9.5x3 5th element, chainguide plate, and rear axle
I don't know that "most" manufactures show frame w/o shock as the weight. I have always showed it with a shock and stated that way. Seems most companys will have a certian shock that comes stock, so showing a frame weight, when the frame comes with a shock, seems like a no brainer.
are you sure Dave, Jm says otherwisedw said:
Since different shocks weigh different amounts, I would rather see frame weights without accounting for the shock, I think that would be the most accurate.
But either way it should specify whether or not it includes the shock, and if it does, it should specify the shock weight (or just the shock model if they're lazy and wanna make the consumers look it up.)
But all of that is just too damn objective and runs contrary to the typical marketing program of obscuring reality. :mumble:
But either way it should specify whether or not it includes the shock, and if it does, it should specify the shock weight (or just the shock model if they're lazy and wanna make the consumers look it up.)
But all of that is just too damn objective and runs contrary to the typical marketing program of obscuring reality. :mumble:
I would tend to assume on logic that frame weight would be for the frame alone??? It really would be nice went given a weight, what that included. I've seem some frame weights with shock and rear hub.
Honestly, im not even aware of any frame manufacturer that gives frame weights witout shock. ( i guess other than Canfield as of 5 minutes ago) I guess there may be others that do this, but I can tell you for sure that if you are reading an Iron Horse frame weight, published by Iron Horse, then it includes the shock on the frame.
dw said:
durrr, use your brain dw
flymybike said:
flymybike is Lance
OK, cool, so to answer your question, unless your chainguide plate and axle weigh about 2.8 lbs, then the 7POINT is significantly lighter than your F1.Toshi said:yes, 11.8 is not published but actually what it came out to be on a digital bike stand/scale, and flymybike is a canfield bro
{Sitting under an apple tree, scratching beard and looking at the stars:}
Is it a frame without the shock?
Is it a frame without the shock?
You've got to be kidding me. Aren't the 04s heavier than the 03s due to the linkage and chainstay, if what you just said were true, my bike would weight about 46lbs instead of about 49.DßR said:
If the IH sunday really weighs less than 9lbs with a 2.2lb shock, that means it's significantly lighter than bikes like the bullit, yeti AS-X, etc. That means some pretty thin tubing, hopefully backed up by some good engineering.
there is the missing link!Jm_ said:
I agree about frame without shock weight.ohio said:
As for geo, the fork is most important, as I said already. But also some people DH on 2.2 tires, some 2.8 or even 3.0. That won't be an earth-shattering difference in BB height, but enough IMO that it's still good to know. Some people obsess more than they have to. *raises own hand*
Of course, everyone else who has weighed their SGS frame, and all the people who have told you it weighs less than 11 pounds, they're all wrong and your scale is right. Right?Jm_ said:
Right!
No, there's just no way it can weigh 47lbs with a boxxer race and a 10lb frame.binary visions said:Of course, everyone else who has weighed their SGS frame, and all the people who have told you it weighs less than 11 pounds, they're all wrong and your scale is right. Right?
Right!
It's agains the laws of physics.