Is America headed in the right direction?
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Guess they're not true Christians then. Remember, Mithras taught his followers how to fish so they can take care of their damn selves.
Bill Dance...true christian
In my experience the Unitarians are atheists, who just can't quite bring themselves to make the commitment.
I'm more of a unitardian
That is simply, factually incorrect. Not even close to being accurate. Islam is founded on violence. Christianity is founded on non-retaliation. (And as I've already said, anyone who murders in the name of God or Christianity is delusional & mislead).
But I understand your point here:
Point taken. Putting myself in those shoes, I get that. I shared many of these beliefs when I was an "outsider" so I should definitely be more cognizant of that. Still doesn't justify the attacks though (not that they've come from you), but yeah, I guess I get it.
And not saying this to be argumentative, but fyi your admission in quote #2 dramatically lessens the validity of quote #1. If we're being honest here.
please explain, re: crusades, spanish inquisition, et al.
If that's how you define things then there's no argument. The problem is that you're wrong.
Atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. From the Greek atheos, without gods.
And because "one didn't start as an atheist" (but is one now) does not equal progress, growth, learning, etc. Most of us "started" in much better shape physically too. See entropy. "The gradual decline into disorder" is a law of physics. And stuff.
And what makes you think I even attend church? That I don't read the bible? I absolutely read the bible, and value what it says over the most accurate, educated preacher there is. It's not easy to understand, and is easy to misinterpret, but yes I read the bible.
Based on your last two paragraphs, I would hate Christians too. Where are you getting this oppression of women, outright hate, etc?
And Jesus was not involved in politics. I think that's where a lot of the confusion and mislabeling is coming from. Yes he behaved how socialists claim too (but do not, in the strictest definition, looking at socialist countries). But that is not a contradiction for me to: help others, donate money and resources to those in need, etc in my private life... And to also think the government should not be involved in mandating and "governing" (read: skimming & corrupting) those acts.
yea but he sure wrecked the shit out of those money changers. homeboy don't fuck around.
Sure, the crusades and Spanish inquisition were:
#1. Wrong, murderous, and ungodly.
#2. An act of the Catholic Church! My position of the pope and his "church" are already on record. And this is a great reason why.
Re: #1, You will never hear a true Muslim or C.A.I.R. say that about 9-11, Iran's official policy position to commitment to the destruction of Israel, or jihad. Even if they momentarily do, in the midst of a conflict or on the battlefield, see Taqiyah. It is their religious duty to lie about their faith!
You're right, I didn't. I thought you guys knew better.
see post #133. Section a, part #2 
"no it was us christians. it was those other christians."
Right. Because you said so it must be true. And because Islam calls themselves the "religion of peace" ... They must be.
Because that's what we critical thinking, non kool-aid drinking, high minded progressives do: take the words of those we agree with as fact, and the facts of those we disagree with as inconvenient misstatements.
Carry on gentlemen.......
Well shit if protestant is your flavor............
Your team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_nativist_riots
And claiming catholics aren't christians is the exact same thing as muslims decrying radical islam.
And yes, it happens. You don't get more muslim than mecca.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/american-muslim-leaders-condemn-attacks.html?_r=0
God Almighty, the Master of all Rulers, has prohibited injustice among humans. Aggression against those who have committed no crime, and the killing of innocent people, are matters that Islamic Shariah has dealt with: these are not permissible even during wars and invasions. Killing the weak, infants, women, and the elderly, and destroying property, are considered serious crimes in Islam. Acts of corruption and even laying waste to the land, are forbidden by God and by His Prophet. Viewing on the TV networks what happened to the twin towers [of the World Trade Center] was like watching Doomsday.
Those who commit such crimes are the worst of people. Anyone who thinks that any Islamic scholar will condone such acts is totally wrong.
Sharia and Alabama law are both fundamentalist extremes. You can't have one without the other, unless you pick and choose. But given how scattered most religious texts are, I guess that's not surprising. The only true believers are the ones who think/interpret exactly as you do? That's not realistic.
Your team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_nativist_riots
And claiming catholics aren't christians is the exact same thing as muslims decrying radical islam.
And yes, it happens. You don't get more muslim than mecca.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/american-muslim-leaders-condemn-attacks.html?_r=0
God Almighty, the Master of all Rulers, has prohibited injustice among humans. Aggression against those who have committed no crime, and the killing of innocent people, are matters that Islamic Shariah has dealt with: these are not permissible even during wars and invasions. Killing the weak, infants, women, and the elderly, and destroying property, are considered serious crimes in Islam. Acts of corruption and even laying waste to the land, are forbidden by God and by His Prophet. Viewing on the TV networks what happened to the twin towers [of the World Trade Center] was like watching Doomsday.
Those who commit such crimes are the worst of people. Anyone who thinks that any Islamic scholar will condone such acts is totally wrong.
Sharia and Alabama law are both fundamentalist extremes. You can't have one without the other, unless you pick and choose. But given how scattered most religious texts are, I guess that's not surprising. The only true believers are the ones who think/interpret exactly as you do? That's not realistic.
Cmon man, quit being so naive. Just because they call themselves Christian doesn't mean they are. And while many Catholic are God loving and have faith in Jesus, the Catholic Church in particular is filled with greed, pedophilia, and is based on a works based system requiring approval from a man setting himself up in place of Christ, between God and man as mediator.
If one owns a DH bike, but has never ridden DH....
Our humorous jabs at your positions, which you provide scant evidence for, against your stereotyping of islam as evil(while there is ample historical record to show most organized religions have committed evil acts).
Pot meet my friend kettle.
Pot meet my friend kettle.
So in Christianity's case, you use the wacked out 5% (that I've transparently and honestly spoken out against) to define the rest. The peace seeking "true believers".
And in Islam's case, you use the 5% who call themselves " moderate" to define the 95%. The violence committing, or supporting, "true believers".
Do you see the contrast??
If the scholar who made this statement said it in Saudi Arabia (where both Mecca and Medina are) he would be assassinated by the local Wahabist 10 year old wearing a vest.
No disrespect, but is it possible you're not familiar with Islam? With their "true believers"?
I really hate to break it to you but at 1.7 billion (almost a quarter of the world population), 95 % of the muslim world isn't killing or condoning killing people. Who's picking and choosing here?
H.E. Shaikh Salih bin Muhammad Al-Luheidan, Chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council
..........is NOT a 'moderate' voice.
This is why you can't make sense of this. The parallels are right in your face but you refuse to acknowledge them. You want to focus on the nutjobs with suicide vests but conveniently discard the ones shooting abortion doctors.
Both religions foster this kind of thing for fucked up people. And each thinks they're doing it for god™
H.E. Shaikh Salih bin Muhammad Al-Luheidan, Chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council
..........is NOT a 'moderate' voice.
This is why you can't make sense of this. The parallels are right in your face but you refuse to acknowledge them. You want to focus on the nutjobs with suicide vests but conveniently discard the ones shooting abortion doctors.
Both religions foster this kind of thing for fucked up people. And each thinks they're doing it for god™
The Klan/Aryan nation
Westboro Baptist
Abortion Clinic bombers/shooters
The Lords Resistance Army
The Phineas Priesthood
Anders Breivik
Just about every American "Militia" one can name
Focus on the Family
Quiverfull Movements
That's just off the top of my head.
But I'm sure they aren't real Christians®
the crazy 5% of christians don't represent all christians
blames all of islam for the actions of the crazy 5% of islam
blames all of islam for the actions of the crazy 5% of islam
you forgot the Klan
The Klan/Aryan nation
Westboro Baptist
Abortion Clinic bombers/shooters
The Lords Resistance Army
The Phineas Priesthood
Anders Breivik
Just about every American "Militia" one can name
Focus on the Family
Quiverfull Movements
That's just off the top of my head.
But I'm sure they aren't real Christians®
First line you doofus.
no, the other Klan.
dtm!, no one has attacked you personally. Name one member of teh RM who has shown up at your door and attacked you...this is the internet dude, sack up a bit.
Look at any extremist leaning religious sect and compare their laws/tenets to each other. Almost to a tee, they scream "DEATH TO THE OTHER GUY AND ALL WHO OPPOSE OR WORSHIP DIFFERENTLY THAN US!!!"
Earlier you stated that a donkey has more rights under Sharia than a woman...yet Xtian extremists dont hesitate to tell women what they can and cant do either. Difference is???
If being a "true Christian" is your only reason/motivation for doing good deeds in this life, than I suggest you re-examine your life and your motives.
And ftr, I try to be a Buddhist. Doesnt always work out, but I try.
I believe Bono once said something along the lines of calling oneself a Christian is a pretty high complement, as it insinuates that you follow ALL of Christs teachings...and who can truly say that among us?
Look at any extremist leaning religious sect and compare their laws/tenets to each other. Almost to a tee, they scream "DEATH TO THE OTHER GUY AND ALL WHO OPPOSE OR WORSHIP DIFFERENTLY THAN US!!!"
Earlier you stated that a donkey has more rights under Sharia than a woman...yet Xtian extremists dont hesitate to tell women what they can and cant do either. Difference is???
If being a "true Christian" is your only reason/motivation for doing good deeds in this life, than I suggest you re-examine your life and your motives.
And ftr, I try to be a Buddhist. Doesnt always work out, but I try.
I believe Bono once said something along the lines of calling oneself a Christian is a pretty high complement, as it insinuates that you follow ALL of Christs teachings...and who can truly say that among us?
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The Klan/Aryan nation
Westboro Baptist
Abortion Clinic bombers/shooters
The Lords Resistance Army
The Phineas Priesthood
Anders Breivik
Just about every American "Militia" one can name
Focus on the Family
Quiverfull Movements
That's just off the top of my head.
But I'm sure they aren't real Christians®
You forgot the Bilderbergs, New world order and the illuminati
and lizard people!You forgot the Bildeburgers, New world order and the illuminati
Seriously? Its like youre not even trying...Qur’an 6:151 says, “do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted).
5:53 teaches, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
Yet the Bible reads--
In Deuteronomy, God orders the Israelites to "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …which many interpret as a Biblical endorsement of genocide. What about the Amalkites (Wipe out their descendants...), the Midianites (God™ told Moses to raise an army and destroy them...) and the story of Jericho? This is not even to mention the Crucifixion..a pretty violent act in itself. All religions have violence in their stories...to characterize one as more bloodthirsty than another is simply incorrect.
Do some research on your own...dont just regurgitate RW talking points.
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Der... if you think Christians have it right and everyone else has it wrong, we'll that's mighty oppressive of you. At the very least it sets the stage.
The point wasn't to bitch and moan.... I'm a big boy and it doesn't bother me a bit. I was pointing out the contradiction in a demo that claims to be tolerant and open minded, while being narrow minded and engaging in stereotypes.
But who is defending extremists? I haven't once defended extremists or "fundamentalists". I've done the opposite repeatedly.
I once witnessed a Buddhist monk beat the snot out of a villager woman, while 3 other monks looked on. Doesn't mean I think you support violence against women. Or do you....
I think we all have it wrong.
Well now, I am not a monk. Yet. I once witnessed a pastor screaming at his escort to "Kill that motherfucker!!! Yes, that one!" Does that mean all pastors want that motherfucker killt? No, just this one crazy one.The point wasn't to bitch and moan.... I'm a big boy and it doesn't bother me a bit. I was pointing out the contradiction in a demo that claims to be tolerant and open minded, while being narrow minded and engaging in stereotypes.
But who is defending extremists? I haven't once defended extremists or "fundamentalists". I've done the opposite repeatedly.
I once witnessed a Buddhist monk beat the snot out of a villager woman, while 3 other monks looked on. Doesn't mean I think you support violence against women. Or do you....
The simplest truth is that we only hear about the 1% of any religion that is batshit crazy. Meanwhile, there are gabillions who go about the day in a plain, humble and peaceful way. But who gets the press?
Does that include Buddhism
Lol okay. Look you cannot just Google-fu some verses without any context and call that Research™.
Almost by definition...
FWIW, my belief path, as I grew up, was free inquiry, with examination of various religions, all of which were superficially attractive, until one burrowed in and discovered no substantial core, just the demand to believe absent evidence. For a while, in reaction to those in thrall to these fantasies, I announced as an atheist. As age annealed my views, I decided that atheism is arrogant. I have no evidence that god(s) exist, nor that they don't.
Some people take comfort from religious views. I have come to view this as a reaction to fear of the universe, of the unknown, and of the absence of whatever inner strength is necessary to be able to assume responsibility for one's own actions in a confusing and turbulent world.
I believe in right and wrong, but do not feel a need for god(s) or people who claim to represent them to define these values for me.
As a result, comparison of religions seems not particularly useful. Religion might be a piece of what often causes people, alone or in groups, to behave horrendously, but it's a piece, large or small, of a larger pattern.