[IH8Rice]

"Eddie worked for general motors and he swore
that he'd never lose his job again
A union man who owned his own home
in beautiful Flint Michigan

Eddie lost his job and Eddie lost his wife
So Eddie lost his self esteem
The last time I saw Eddie
he was living in the trailer park again "

anyone???? +5 to the first to know the song

 

[Samirol]

harry bridges

 

[IH8Rice]

Ford's Mullaly said he'll work for $1 if they get a bailout....maybe Wagoner should do the same

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_congress#full

 

[jimmydean]

Ford's Mullaly said he'll work for $1 if they get a bailout....maybe Wagoner should do the same

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_congress#full

Hasn't Steve Jobs been doing that for the last 8 years or something?

 

[jonKranked]

Hasn't Steve Jobs been doing that for the last 8 years or something?

Yea but he's a hippy.

 

[Silver]

Ford's Mullaly said he'll work for $1 if they get a bailout....maybe Wagoner should do the same

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_congress#full

He would still be grossly overpaid.

 

[rockwool]

at least a dozen....im sure of it

Except for a rare trailer here and there in an industrial neighbourhood that is inhabited by an amphetamine junky (often a couple male/female), the only people living in trailers are those who live far away from where they work and only travel home on weekends.

Things aren't perfect here, we have a few homeless living on the streets/hideouts/mission houses, but it's effin far from any comparable size city in the US.

What's minimum wage at in the US at the moment, seven dollars? 7 x 7 = 49kr
We don't have anything called minimum wage here and nobody makes anything close to that. When I got out of school as an 18 year old in 1990 I made 52kr, for a few months/half year, as an aprentice in the construction biz. I don't think any grownup is making less that 80-90kr/h today.

 

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>
What's minimum wage at in the US at the moment, seven dollars? 7 x 7 = 49kr
We don't have anything called minimum wage here and nobody makes anything close to that. When I got out of school as an 18 year old in 1990 I made 52kr, for a few months/half year, as an aprentice in the construction biz. I don't think any grownup is making less that 80-90kr/h today.

Around here people are making the equivalent to 80kr/hr working at McDonalds.

 

[Samirol]

Average monthly pay in Sweden is 26,717 kr, x 12 = 320,604. The exchange rate is about 8:1, which puts the average pay at 40,000 USD/year, while in the US it is 28.5k USD/year.

http://www.scb.se/templates/tableOrChart____20516.asp

 

[SkaredShtles]

Average monthly pay in Sweden is 26,717 kr, x 12 = 320,604. The exchange rate is about 8:1, which puts the average pay at 40,000 USD/year, while in the US it is 28.5k USD/year.

http://www.scb.se/templates/tableOrChart____20516.asp

Have you ever been to Sweden? It's obscenely expensive. I'd still like to visit more.

 

[IH8Rice]

Except for a rare trailer here and there in an industrial neighbourhood that is inhabited by an amphetamine junky (often a couple male/female), the only people living in trailers are those who live far away from where they work and only travel home on weekends.

Things aren't perfect here, we have a few homeless living on the streets/hideouts/mission houses, but it's effin far from any comparable size city in the US.

What's minimum wage at in the US at the moment, seven dollars? 7 x 7 = 49kr
We don't have anything called minimum wage here and nobody makes anything close to that. When I got out of school as an 18 year old in 1990 I made 52kr, for a few months/half year, as an aprentice in the construction biz. I don't think any grownup is making less that 80-90kr/h today.

thanks for this bit of information to go along with my e-sarcasm...

 

[IH8Rice]

Hasn't Steve Jobs been doing that for the last 8 years or something?

i wouldnt doubt it.... but his stock options are probably through the roof like Warren Buffet's.

Buffet makes "only" $175k a year, but he has over 2mil shares, each worth $101k

 

[IH8Rice]

heres GM's great "plan"
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/02/gm-asks-congress-to-kickstart-its-heart-with-ambitious-plan/

they are also selling all their planes or ending the leases early.

thankfully Wagoner took a Malibu hybrid to DC and Ford's Mulally took a Escape Hybrid to DC this time

 

[Samirol]

And they are planning to slash post-retirement healthcare

 

[IH8Rice]

And they are planning to slash post-retirement healthcare

"Reduced wage and benefit costs, including further reductions in executive compensation;"

im sure it had to be part of their proposal, and im sure talks with the UAW will include that

 

[rockwool]

thanks for this bit of information to go along with my e-sarcasm...

Sry, I couldn't detect it without my Spiderman pajamas on.

 

[IH8Rice]

Sry, I couldn't detect it without my Spiderman pajamas on.

did you honestly think i thought there were a dozen trailer parks in sweeden?


you and i both know there are two dozen

 

[rockwool]

did you honestly think i thought there were a dozen trailer parks in sweeden?


you and i both know there are two dozen

Hahaha, no the number was obviously taken out of the air but I did read you like you believed that it was an equally naturall thing to have over here as well.

 

[IH8Rice]

but I did read you like you believed that it was an equally naturall thing to have over here as well.

if sweeden has trailer parks for as far as the eye can see like we do, then theyre equally proper fuked as we are.

 

[rockwool]

heres GM's great "plan"
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/02/gm-asks-congress-to-kickstart-its-heart-with-ambitious-plan/

they are also selling all their planes or ending the leases early.

thankfully Wagoner took a Malibu hybrid to DC and Ford's Mulally took a Escape Hybrid to DC this time

What do they mean that they're going to 'niche brand' Pontiac, and where does Pontiac stand today among GM brands? I figure GMC is cheapo trucks and vans, otherwise it's Chevrolet that is the cheapo brand. I know Buick has always been more expensive and that Cadillac is the top brand.

 

[rockwool]

if sweeden has trailer parks for as far as the eye can see like we do, then theyre equally proper fuked as we are.

In that sence, we're blessed.

 

[IH8Rice]

What do they mean that they're going to 'niche brand' Pontiac, and where does Pontiac stand today among GM brands? I figure GMC is cheapo trucks and vans, otherwise it's Chevrolet that is the cheapo brand. I know Buick has always been more expensive and that Cadillac is the top brand.

im just taking a guess, but maybe they are talking about scaling back production significantly, and not putting R&D into cars like the G8 w/ the new Zeta platform.

GMC actually makes "higher end/classier" vehicles compared to their Chevy counterpart.
all the Denali branded vehicles, the Sierra pickups versus the Chevy Silverado and the Acadia versus the Equinox i believe, are a few examples.

 

[IH8Rice]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/02/by-the-numbers-november-2008-brother-can-you-spare-a-dime-ed/

 

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>

GMC actually makes "higher end/classier" vehicles compared to their Chevy counterpart.
all the Denali branded vehicles, the Sierra pickups versus the Chevy Silverado and the Acadia versus the Equinox i believe, are a few examples.

Yeah - it's amusing because it's all poorly put together $hite... from the Chevy right up to the Cadillac.

 

[rockwool]

im just taking a guess, but maybe they are talking about scaling back production significantly, and not putting R&D into cars like the G8 w/ the new Zeta platform.

GMC actually makes "higher end/classier" vehicles compared to their Chevy counterpart.
all the Denali branded vehicles, the Sierra pickups versus the Chevy Silverado and the Acadia versus the Equinox i believe, are a few examples.

OK. I'm not familiar with all the models, don't think they sell over here but for the Silverados and the Sierras. GMC are stricly Canadian built, right?

Subaru makes some quality veichles, low owning costs! GM owned I belive?

 

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>
Subaru makes some quality veichles, low owning costs! GM owned I belive?

Nope - they've had some weird "arrangements" but I'm pretty sure there's no ownership stake any more...

 

[jonKranked]

we all know that PONTIAC is really an acronym...

 

[IH8Rice]

OK. I'm not familiar with all the models, don't think they sell over here but for the Silverados and the Sierras. GMC are stricly Canadian built, right?

Subaru makes some quality veichles, low owning costs! GM owned I belive?

no on both ends. they might have some plants in canada(i dont think they do), they are built here primarily in the states.

and no, GM does not own Subaru. they are wholly owned by Fuji Heavy Industries

 

[IH8Rice]

we all know that PONTIAC is really an acronym...

Poor Old Niceguy Thinks Its A Cadillac

 

[SkaredShtles]

we all know that PONTIAC is really an acronym...

Whoa there padner.

 

[$tinkle]

well, technically, he's correct; much like how NASA [NA-suh] is, but GAO [gee-ay-oh] isn't

you don't hear people saying P-O-N-T-I-A-C, do you?

 

[IH8Rice]

you pro union folk will be happy to hear the UAW actually moved a inch and will suspend the Jobs Bank program, effectively stopping laid off workers getting up to 95% of their pay...but the UAW president still wants to fly to DC tomorrow instead of driving a hybrid like the Big 3 CEO's are doing.


i mean seriously, why didnt they just give them 100% instead of 95%? at that point, whats 5% going to do? nothing


http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/03/uaw-agrees-to-suspend-jobs-bank-postpone-veba-contributions/

 

[rockwool]

Poor Old Niceguy Thinks Its A Cadillac

Poor old niceguy misses his Oldsmobile. Over here, old men with hats exclusively drove SAABs, foremost the late 70s to early 90s budget SAAB 90, and preferably in light blue colour...

 

[IH8Rice]

Poor old niceguy misses his Oldsmobile. Over here, old men with hats exclusively drove SAABs, foremost the late 70s to early 90s budget SAAB 90, and preferably in light blue colour...

:huh:

 

[Samirol]

Poor old niceguy misses his Oldsmobile. Over here, old men with hats exclusively drove SAABs, foremost the late 70s to early 90s budget SAAB 90, and preferably in light blue colour...

Teflon forehead

 

[$tinkle]

 

[Samirol]

Ah yes, Ramirez, the man who made these cartoons:

he is a terrible person

 

[rockwool]

:huh:

Never mind it was a derailment anyways.

Teflon forehead

Like dis?

That picture gives all the blame to your unions, like if the bosses weren't those that made the desitions, and therefore are to blame for, about too big gasguzzling obsolete vehicles with too poor quality. Add their salaries that were everything but good examples of moderaton, and how can they ask anything but the same 'greed' from their staff (within proportions)?

 

[ohio]

How did American automakers end up with Union problems but Japanese automakers didn't?

Even if the Union is the problem, it's because the companies were so badly managed that the unions in their current form resulted.

Yeah, I'm blaming the victim. Maybe if GM had dinner ready on time, she wouldn't have two black eyes.

 

[Samirol]

How did American automakers end up with Union problems but Japanese automakers didn't?

Even if the Union is the problem, it's because the companies were so badly managed that the unions in their current form resulted.

Yeah, I'm blaming the victim. Maybe if GM had dinner ready on time, she wouldn't have two black eyes.

In this case, GM is a crack addict that spent all day in a crack house instead of picking up her kids from school