[RenegadeRick]

Hillary Clinton has repeatedly denied that she had any intentions of running for president. Imagine my shock when I came across this article today.

Clinton to Enter Presidential Race
By BETH FOUHY and MARC HUMBERT
AP
NEW YORK (Jan. 20) - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will embark on a widely anticipated campaign for the White House Saturday, a former first lady intent on becoming the nation's first female president.

So, does this make her a liar? And if so, isn't that a requirement to hold the office anyhow?

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Politician = liar.

 

[JohnE]

Of course she is. Otherwise she would have dumped Bill a long time ago, and admitted she is a ugly, nasty carpet muncher with dreams of world domination.

 

[BurlyShirley]

I bet her vagina has teeth.

 

[rapp]

I bet her vagina has teeth.

Sharp ones at that.

 

[LordOpie]

Politician = liar.

exactly.


Let's just hope that her lies don't get 1000s killed.

 

[riverside73]

C'mon guys. I am sure she is just as honest and truthful as her husband!!!

 

[stevew]

Will she trash Obama?

Will she be called a racist if she does?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Will she trash Obama?

Will she be called a racist if she does?

Iraq Hussein Osama has no chance either way.

 

[blue]

Hillary...

 

[LordOpie]

Hillary...

You'd rather have Condi in office?

 

[bac]

So, does this make her a liar? And if so, isn't that a requirement to hold the office anyhow?

Yes, she is a liar. Obviously all politician lie .... then they lie some more. This is the only way for any politician to thrive. However, she lies not due to her party affiliation, but simply because she is a politician.

Politicians (Dems and GOP) must only convince the uneducated majority of their sincerity, then their job is done. At that point, they know that they can lie to this demographic consistently without risking reprisal. I mean, how else could politicians have successfully convinced the American public of the following lies?

-Prescription drugs in Canada (made by US companies) are too dangerous to be shipped back to the USA. It's not that we (politicians) are in bed with the prescription drug industry. That's not why Americans are charged twice as much (on average) for prescription drugs than any other nation in the world. It's really all about your safety. Think of the children!

-I did not have sex with that woman! Until the blue dress appeared, many bought into this little lie. Please ignore the masses of other women that have alleged this type of conduct. Instead, go with the party line!

-Global warming is a myth. Big oil's scientists say that global warming is a myth. Scientists with no such vested interest consistently state the exact opposite. Yet, some still believe the politicians. Why?

-WMDs in Iraq Wait, it's not about WMDs at all. We are bringing democracy to the Middle East. BTW, Saddam is behind 9/11. Yeah, that's the ticket! Again, we ignore the facts, and go with the party line pitched by a politician. Why?

When will we learn that the game is not the “Democrats vs. the Republicans” – it’s “the people vs. the politicians”. If we continue to allow the politicians to divide us based on lies, we deserve to continue to lose this game. My money is on the politicians to only to win, but to beat the spread.

 

[LordOpie]

When will we learn that the game is not the “Democrats vs. the Republicans” – it’s “the people vs. the politicians”.

step one is not a complete revolt of the system, but rather choosing a lesser of two evils in the next election.

 

[manimal]

C'mon guys. I am sure she is just as honest and truthful as her husband!!!

and she's probably just as likely to have an affair w/ lewinsky

 

[rockwool]

No that doesn't make her a liar. She has the right to change her mind about a thing like that, aswell as play it tactical. Important isht is at stake.

What will make her the next prezadenn is that she is married to a guy that is related to ~50% of the previous presidents the US has had.



bac, you forgot to mention the tobacco industry. Their scientists play the same games as the global warming denying scientists.

 

[mrbigisbudgood]

Her last name is Clinton.........

 

[H8R]

I bet her vagina has teeth.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

and you americans point and laugh at monarchies and oligarchies...

what you have since the 50s is pretty close to dynasties, royal families and stuff... :lawl:

 

[DirtyDog]

That's all you could come up with? She changed her mind and now she's a liar? Weak.

 

[MMike]

Be sweet if she wins....Get Bill back in there!!


Hmmm...look below... All the "related threads" have been started by N 8.....Obsessed much?

 

[Silver]

and you americans point and laugh at monarchies and oligarchies...

what you have since the 50s is pretty close to dynasties, royal families and stuff... :lawl:

We also believe that we live in a meritocracy...and then elect a guy who would have been a homeless drunk had he been born into 95% of the households in this country.

 

[RenegadeRick]

step one is not a complete revolt of the system, but rather choosing a lesser of two evils in the next election.

Choosing the lesser of 2 evils is still choosing evil. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. If America wants change, continuing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils isn't the way to go about it.

When will we learn that the game is not the “Democrats vs. the Republicans” – it’s “the people vs. the politicians”. If we continue to allow the politicians to divide us based on lies, we deserve to continue to lose this game.

You are right, bac. If we continue to be manipulated by the bipartisan political system we will continue our travels down the road of oppression.

American politics is based on a bipartisan illusion of a competition. Nothing could be further from the truth. Both sides are bankrolled by the multinationals. Regardless of which side is elected, the outcome will be the same. More pro-big business idiocy. Less pro-people freedoms.

 

[rockwool]

Choosing the lesser of 2 evils is still choosing evil. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. If America wants change, continuing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils isn't the way to go about it.

:wörd:

 

[I Are Baboon]

Hmmm...look below... All the "related threads" have been started by N 8.....Obsessed much?

Now that's funny.

 

[LordOpie]

Choosing the lesser of 2 evils is still choosing evil. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. If America wants change, continuing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils isn't the way to go about it.

Listen very closely... failing to choose the lesser of two evils is what got Bush into office.

Sometimes, you cannot vote third party for fear of the bigger evil getting into office.

Do NOT vote independent in the next election unless the Repub candidate has the balls to not continue this insanity.

 

[dante]

That's all you could come up with? She changed her mind and now she's a liar? Weak.

ya, unlike our current administration.... lthumbsdown: oster_oops:

 

[jimmydean]

I bet her vagina has teeth.

I bet she wears underwear with a pee hole in the front.

 

[stevew]

I think Obama's political cherry will come to a violent end in the primaries.

 

[Silver]

I think Obama's political cherry will come to a violent end in the primaries.

I hope so. I detest Republicans who play the God card. Just because Obama is a black Democrat doesn't mean that he gets to do it too.

Maybe we can have Obama and Brownback suck off Jesus shaped dildos on stage instead of an election. The one that can get Christ further down his throat without gagging gets to be President...it's better than the current system.

 

[blue]

You'd rather have Condi in office?

No, but it's like debating which is better, Ford or GM.

I'm starting to dislike Obama too. Things are looking bleak.

 

[rockwool]

Listen very closely... failing to choose the lesser of two evils is what got Bush into office.

Sometimes, you cannot vote third party for fear of the bigger evil getting into office.

Do NOT vote independent in the next election unless the Repub candidate has the balls to not continue this insanity.

Man, the only way to make them change is by not sanctioning their actions with your votes. There is no other way. It's like a woman that lives with a husband that beats her; he'll change; he tells me he loves me (and I'm a sucker believing it); I need his comfort; nobody's gonna want me now and I can't live alone for a while...

Vote on a third party, no matter how many elections it has to take for them to get into parliament. It's the only way!

How many votes does a third party need to get in anyways? Over here it's 4% of the votes.

 

[rockwool]

ya, unlike our current administration.... lthumbsdown: oster_oops:

Now that is a lie!

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Man, the only way to make them change is by not sanctioning their actions with your votes. There is no other way. It's like a woman that lives with a husband that beats her; he'll change; he tells me he loves me (and I'm a sucker believing it); I need his comfort; nobody's gonna want me now and I can't live alone for a while...

Vote on a third party, no matter how many elections it has to take for them to get into parliament. It's the only way!

How many votes does a third party need to get in anyways? Over here it's 4% of the votes.

We don't have a parliamentary system over here. In virtually every race, it is winner takes all per candidate. Third party candidates could gain 49% of the vote across the country and not have a single representative, theoretically.

 

[rockwool]

We don't have a parliamentary system over here. In virtually every race, it is winner takes all per candidate. Third party candidates could gain 49% of the vote across the country and not have a single representative, theoretically.

Ohh yeah, I forgot.. That's a whole lot of votes to the bin. Even more citizens that don't get their voices represented than here. lthumbsdown:

 

[LordOpie]

Man, the only way to make them change is by not sanctioning their actions with your votes. There is no other way. It's like a woman that lives with a husband that beats her; he'll change; he tells me he loves me (and I'm a sucker believing it); I need his comfort; nobody's gonna want me now and I can't live alone for a while...

Wow. What a retarded analogy.

But if you want to go that route... It's a like a woman who is forced by family and society to choose between two husbands -- one is verbally mean, the other will likely beat her until dead.


We're not in a situation where we have the luxury of throwing away third party votes right now. I voted for third parties in the past, but I reiterate...

voting third party by Dems is what got Bush into office. Do you think those votes were a good idea?

 

[rockwool]

Wow. What a retarded analogy.

But if you want to go that route... It's a like a woman who is forced by family and society to choose between two husbands -- one is verbally mean, the other will likely beat her until dead.


We're not in a situation where we have the luxury of throwing away third party votes right now. I voted for third parties in the past, but I reiterate...

voting third party by Dems is what got Bush into office. Do you think those votes were a good idea?

I had the same stance as you have about "trowing away my vote", but I've voted on non parliamentary parties for two elections now. I'm convinced it's the only way.

If you for repeated times don't get any good service from a bike shop, you look elsewhere.

No matter what, I won't support the wicked in any way because it only confirms the way they have ruled over us, and will therefore only fuel them to continue on the same path.

I saw some where that the Christian right that pre Reagan wouldn't affiliate with anything political (because of their strong beliefs), is now turning away from being the strong conservative supporters they have been and putting their faith back into Jesus Christ exclusively. If that is true, perhaps you don't have to vote tactical?

 

[LordOpie]

I had the same stance as you have about "trowing away my vote", but I've voted on non parliamentary parties for two elections now. I'm convinced it's the only way.

Is the main party in your country invading other countries? What if it was? Would you then vote for the number two party or would you vote for an independent that had no chance of winning?

Anyone who didn't vote FOR the Dems in 2004 was voting FOR continued aggression by US in the Middle East.

 

[rockwool]

Is the main party in your country invading other countries? What if it was? Would you then vote for the number two party or would you vote for an independent that had no chance of winning?

Anyone who didn't vote FOR the Dems in 2004 was voting FOR continued aggression by US in the Middle East.

I wish that was true, it hasn't been any major differance in previous administrations, and with the, compared to you, little information I have about the Dems they haven't said that they will withdraw the troops emediately. They haven't been that clear on this. Also keep in mind that Democratic presidents have recently gone to war.

Dems and Reps have a consensus when it comes to US hegemony. The differances are too small. The lesser bit of evil is soo marginally.

 

[dante]

Dems and Reps have a consensus when it comes to US hegemony. The differances are too small. The lesser bit of evil is soo marginally.

spoken like someone who has zero clue about the reality in US politics.

lthumbsdown:

 

[Silver]

spoken like someone who has zero clue about the reality in US politics.

lthumbsdown:

No, as far as foreign policy goes, he's got that part right. They approach it differently, but the goal is the same.