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Is Lance finally busted?
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NO!!! That's how you tell if they are made of wood!
What could they possibly be hoping to achieve, so many years later?
Without a positive blood sample, there is no smoking gun. They're trying to pin him on testimony, and if they do manage to get the committee to strip him of titles/money, he's going to turn around and file an immediate lawsuit. The lawsuit has a pretty good chance of succeeding, too, since - again - there's no smoking gun, and the whole case has been handled badly for so long.
It's ridiculous that this is still even up in the air. The case should have been dropped years ago. What a waste of money, time, and resources.
Without a positive blood sample, there is no smoking gun. They're trying to pin him on testimony, and if they do manage to get the committee to strip him of titles/money, he's going to turn around and file an immediate lawsuit. The lawsuit has a pretty good chance of succeeding, too, since - again - there's no smoking gun, and the whole case has been handled badly for so long.
It's ridiculous that this is still even up in the air. The case should have been dropped years ago. What a waste of money, time, and resources.
Quiet you!
Hero turns villain?? There's no better plot-line. People eat this sh1t up!!
Is Phil Liggett on suicide watch?
One can only hope.
Lance is going into pro wrestling?
He could easily. I think he knows a guy to get his juice.
So happy now I finally do not have to answer question from my non bike riders who ask me if he is a doper.
Wait there is doping in pro wrestling - I am depressed. Hulk say it ain't so
Wait there is doping in pro wrestling - I am depressed. Hulk say it ain't so
Speaking of which, Tour De Colorado runs right by Carmichael Training this afternoon.
seems like there has been some type of personal vengence against LA. no one can just like a success story for what it is. someone has to go and poke holes in it because they don't agree with it. and in some cases that's fine, when it's called for it should be done. I kinda wish LA didn't give up, just to see what happened. if he is innocent and those pointing the fingers are just jealous, then what has this all proved? kid cry's wolf, but no sign of wolf, and everyone believes him isn't good. rumors and conjecture aren't evidence.
There were rules. He broke them that is all. Not any different than tons of other bike riders or athletes who have been convicted. His PR team has just been able to create a lot of goodwill and spin much better than other has.
And lets not feel so sorry for Lance he seems to be doing pretty good much better than most other dopers that have been caught.
His 330,000 gallons of water use Texas mansion
http://www.architecturaldigest.com/celebrity-homes/2008/lance-armstrong-home-article
And lets not feel so sorry for Lance he seems to be doing pretty good much better than most other dopers that have been caught.
His 330,000 gallons of water use Texas mansion
http://www.architecturaldigest.com/celebrity-homes/2008/lance-armstrong-home-article
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While Lance is totally guilty, I still think it is sour grapes by USADA.
You know why?
Who are they going to give his title to?
Ullrich? Beloki? Vinkourov? Basso? Rumšas?
All of these guys have been busted for doping. Rumšas is my favorite because his wife was the one held for possession.
Ok, going after the king may be worth the trouble (and btw, Lance didn't choose to become martyr; he knew that if he went to a hearing, all that witness testimony would come out), but I don't think this cleans up the sport, just shuffles all the playing pieces.
You know why?
Who are they going to give his title to?
Ullrich? Beloki? Vinkourov? Basso? Rumšas?
All of these guys have been busted for doping. Rumšas is my favorite because his wife was the one held for possession.
Ok, going after the king may be worth the trouble (and btw, Lance didn't choose to become martyr; he knew that if he went to a hearing, all that witness testimony would come out), but I don't think this cleans up the sport, just shuffles all the playing pieces.
I expect that nobody will be formally named the official winner. It will be a tacit admission that all the contenders were on some form of juice and that there can be no legitimate winners during that whole stretch of Tour history. The UCI and ASO won't like it but the alternative would be even more of a joke than the current debacle.
I think it's pretty clear that if he was innocent, he would keep fighting. But this is actually a pretty shrewd and workable solution to the whole thing. Lance can characterize it as a witch hunt and appeal to the public, much of which will continue to support him. Meanwhile, USADA can treat it as an admission, which should satisfy their need to take him down and to not let anyone retain glory from those years.
And road cycling fans will have a lot to talk about for years. So everyone wins!
I think all this DOES help legitimize Curling in the sporting world.
So on a side note--- Does this mean I should man up and admit to the USADA that I was on dope at last night's Northstar race, since it appears I beat 2 other riders instead of coming in last for my division like I've usually done?? And all I had was a Big Gulp coke from 7-11 and pure honey, oh, and a white chocolate chip cookie before the start?????
Its people like you who are giving mountain biking it's bad boy reputation. Good day to you sir!
Then I will wear the badge proudly. Please, pass the pizza this time....... Extra jalapenos, too...................
Whoa, now that's just crazy talk.
Personally, I think they should just make doping mandatory for pro cycling. Level the playing field.
I honestly think any PEDs should be legalized for any sport. That is what we want, biggerfasterhigherstronger...freak shows in the best gladiatorial sense. Educate the athletes on all effects of them, let them make informed decisions about what they are ingesting and have at it.
But white chocolate chip cookies...thats a bit to extreme for me.
But white chocolate chip cookies...thats a bit to extreme for me.
Back in the day I used to have a stash of oatmeal raisin cookies in my jersey pocket when I raced cross country. Nom nom nom...
And then let them fight it out to the death! Fvck yeah!
Cheater!
That's kind of what I'm hoping for. Just put a big * in that spot and close the book on one of the darkest periods of professional cycling.I expect that nobody will be formally named the official winner. It will be a tacit admission that all the contenders were on some form of juice and that there can be no legitimate winners during that whole stretch of Tour history. The UCI and ASO won't like it but the alternative would be even more of a joke than the current debacle.
I think it's pretty clear that if he was innocent, he would keep fighting. But this is actually a pretty shrewd and workable solution to the whole thing. Lance can characterize it as a witch hunt and appeal to the public, much of which will continue to support him. Meanwhile, USADA can treat it as an admission, which should satisfy their need to take him down and to not let anyone retain glory from those years.
And road cycling fans will have a lot to talk about for years. So everyone wins!
Apparently Bruyneel's fighting the allegations, so the whole case/evidence could very well come to light anyway. I actually wish that Lance had fought it as well, so we could have seen the evidence come out. I think that caving this way (while still claiming innocence) is probably the most cowardly option he had. If you're innocent, fight it. If you're guilty, admit it.
I don't know about that. Thirteen years is a long time to be dealing with the allegations. Dude wants to get on with his life. By not fighting the USADA anymore, he in effect trivializes them. Kind of a bold position really.
I'm guessing that most people who follow cycling think he's guilty along with every other tour rider. And if that's the case, well he's still the fastest.
The USADA has a treasure trove of information/evidence that supports their position, including numerous former teammates willing to testify. Armstrong's trying to ensure that information never sees the light of day, while at the same time blaming the whole thing on an overactive and vengeful agency. If he thinks he's innocent, let's see what the USADA has as evidence against him. If he's guilty, man up and admit it. But the whole idea of not fighting the charges while still claiming innocence and blaming it on a witch hunt just smacks of desperation to me, where he's trying to win in the court of public opinion since he knows he can't win in the court of law...
Remember, he's been fighting "allegations" for years. He's only been facing the USADA's charges for several months or so after prosecutors declined to bring criminal charges this past February (I think that the USADA didn't bring any official charges till the July 5th announcement).
...heres a new tack. What/where is the jurisdictionof the USADA and how is it in effect over a race that occurs in Europe, under the auspices of a professional racing team that receives no backing or other support from the US government? If he was an Olympian or a national teammember I could see it...just another loose thought.
Taking his titles is one thing, but if they try to strip him of his remaining nut...
Maybe Lance talked to some good lawyers who told him that they can't take his money. If I was in his position, and was sure that they couldn't do anything to fvck with my money, I would tell the whole cycling world to fvck off and go swim in my big money pool.
It's not like he's looking at some great future in bike racing.
It's not like he's looking at some great future in bike racing.
I think you are on it. After the government said there were no criminal charges to be pressed, he isn't looking at jail time, so what does it matter anymore? What is USADA going to do? Prohibit a retired racer from racing again...big whoop.
I think his lawyers also talked to the UCI, which was going to intervene on his behalf anyway, and they were told that UCI would take no action against him regarding the titles.
I think his lawyers also talked to the UCI, which was going to intervene on his behalf anyway, and they were told that UCI would take no action against him regarding the titles.
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/athletes/a-bit-more-on-lance-armstrongs-decision-to-give-up-his-fight-against-usada.html?action_object_map=%7B&action_ref_map=%5B%5D&action_type_map=%7B&c=n&clmob=y&fb_action_ids=10151075691636129%2C10151075681881129&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline
More info on a couple different perspectives...
More info on a couple different perspectives...
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What Doping problem?
What Doping problem?
I think Travis Tygart may have fallen victim to his own "win-at-all-costs culture"