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jonKranked

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dante said:
Not sure that I'm ok with people demanding money back from a cancer-fighting organization just because the spokesman is a douche... Time to separate the organization from the namesake.

That being said, if you *really* want to donate to a cancer organization, do it to the National Cancer Institute, as 100% of your donations go towards cancer research. All overhead is covered by the federal government, so no part of your salary goes towards marketing, administration, fundraising, etc.

http://obf.cancer.gov/contribute/giftfund.htm
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oh oh oh they're not "fighting" cancer. They just want people to be aware of it.
 
Konabumm

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TheTruth said:
I really don't want to believe that Lance was a doper because of his trial and triumph. But, there is so much evidence, it is hard to deny.
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I agree! I defended him to friends, family and lance haters alike. I've donated to livestrong - I was a HUGE lance fan...... But now with all this going around it's hard not the believe everything. I just wonder if he will ball up and come clean or continue to lie to everyone.
 
JohnE

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JohnE

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I dont want to see him in jail. All things considered...Livestrong has done good things (I know, beating a dead horses drum here.) and his offenses really were victimless. He has created jobs, helped with quality of life for people with bleak ugly futures and given them hope and inspiration. Sure, he has been exposed as a fraud and a major league douche bag...but spending tax dollars prosecuting and incarcerating him would be farcical, especially in these financial times. His life will suck from here on out. He lost his job, his future and will probably lose a huge chunk of ill gotten change. Let him live out the suck. It will be interesting to see what his next step is...sooner or later his denial has to end.
 
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AngryMetalsmith

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Yeah, jail time does seem a bit harsh. His punishment should be equal to those whom he intimidated and discredited. But above all, I hope he just goes away. Aren't we all a little weary from the Lanth saga ?
 
Westy

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He still has incredible marketability. Just might need to shift the target demographic.

 
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worship_mud

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JohnE said:
I dont want to see him in jail. All things considered...Livestrong has done good things (I know, beating a dead horses drum here.) and his offenses really were victimless. He has created jobs, helped with quality of life for people with bleak ugly futures and given them hope and inspiration. Sure, he has been exposed as a fraud and a major league douche bag...but spending tax dollars prosecuting and incarcerating him would be farcical, especially in these financial times. His life will suck from here on out. He lost his job, his future and will probably lose a huge chunk of ill gotten change. Let him live out the suck. It will be interesting to see what his next step is...sooner or later his denial has to end.
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the US Postal team received 31 mill $, all of which was taxpayers money. this amount of money could save Big Bird! think about the children!!!! :D

on a more serious note: the USADA documentation is the actual result of a federal investigation, hence already paid for. i'm all for going after him and make him pay hard. jail? dunno, but i guess LA will be lawyered up to the extent that he'll pay a marginal sum and get a slap on his wrist and then he'll continue to f*ck twin sisters... and if i (or you) had betrayed the government over this amount of money, we wouldn't see the light of day in our lifetimes again...
apropos lawyer: wouldn't be defending LA a dream job for Dirt McGirK???? bikes, drugs, chicks and texas???? :D
 
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JohnE

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$31 milllion...damn. Thats what those stamp price increases paid for. Not exactly responsible government spending. I wondered at the time why in the world US Postal needed to sponsor anything.
 
jonKranked

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Don't hold your breath about him not seeing jail time. His long time "coach", micheal Ferrari, had been implicated in what amounts to international money laundering (which, ya know, is an actual crime). There's a high probability lance will get snared into that one too.
 
CBJ

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JohnE said:
I dont want to see him in jail. All things considered...Livestrong has done good things (I know, beating a dead horses drum here.) and his offenses really were victimless. He has created jobs, helped with quality of life for people with bleak ugly futures and given them hope and inspiration. Sure, he has been exposed as a fraud and a major league douche bag...but spending tax dollars prosecuting and incarcerating him would be farcical, especially in these financial times. His life will suck from here on out. He lost his job, his future and will probably lose a huge chunk of ill gotten change. Let him live out the suck. It will be interesting to see what his next step is...sooner or later his denial has to end.
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I do not agree that if somebody has the ability to setup a foundation that should change the way the law is applied. I think he is a smart man and has clearly had a good amount of lawyers to advice so he know the rules and he has signed the contract.
 
dante

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JohnE said:
I dont want to see him in jail. All things considered...Livestrong has done good things (I know, beating a dead horses drum here.) and his offenses really were victimless. He has created jobs, helped with quality of life for people with bleak ugly futures and given them hope and inspiration. Sure, he has been exposed as a fraud and a major league douche bag...but spending tax dollars prosecuting and incarcerating him would be farcical, especially in these financial times. His life will suck from here on out. He lost his job, his future and will probably lose a huge chunk of ill gotten change. Let him live out the suck. It will be interesting to see what his next step is...sooner or later his denial has to end.
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He cheated to win, and then lied about it in court. He's destroyed the careers of those who *wouldn't* dope, and dragged those who would down to his level. Levi was just dropped by Omega Pharma over this. His public spat with Lemond caused Trek to sever it's ties with Greg and drop the entire Lemond bike line, no doubt costing Greg millions in licensing fees. He publicly went after anyone who stood up to talk about the prevalence of doping and cheating going on, and ruined careers, livelihoods, and reputations.

Screw him. If he's implicated in bribery or money laundering, I hope he rots in jail. If they have information that he committed perjury, then I hope they bring charges. The whole investigation came about because he was lying to protect his millions of dollars in bonus money, and if he was lying to a court to protect ill-gotten gains, well, he should suffer the same consequences as anyone else caught doing that.
 
Westy

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dante said:
He cheated to win, and then lied about it in court. He's destroyed the careers of those who *wouldn't* dope, and dragged those who would down to his level. Levi was just dropped by Omega Pharma over this. His public spat with Lemond caused Trek to sever it's ties with Greg and drop the entire Lemond bike line, no doubt costing Greg millions in licensing fees. He publicly went after anyone who stood up to talk about the prevalence of doping and cheating going on, and ruined careers, livelihoods, and reputations.

Screw him. If he's implicated in bribery or money laundering, I hope he rots in jail. If they have information that he committed perjury, then I hope they bring charges. The whole investigation came about because he was lying to protect his millions of dollars in bonus money, and if he was lying to a court to protect ill-gotten gains, well, he should suffer the same consequences as anyone else caught doing that.
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Let's not forget about all the witness intimidation. Lance is about as close as you can get to organized crime in cycling. He just used lawyers instead of murderers.
 
jonKranked

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This idea seems laughable, even. The best riders — Armstrong — had the best doctors. Only certain riders on the team got the certain baggies of drugs, while others were rationed lesser tonics. Dope didn’t level the playing field; it created an entirely different game that only a few guys had tickets to.

“When everyone can dope, it becomes a contest of who has the best information, who has the best access, who has the best doctor, and who has the most money.
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Good read:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/analysis/analysis-collateral-damage-and-the-human-cost-of-wrecking-the-playing-field_262330
 
OGRipper

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Lots of mixed feelings about this, but as I read the reported responses from around the world, it's generally people who don't care about cycling (or fundamental fair play, for that matter) who see this as nothing more than a bunch of harmless and victimless shenanigans. This is especially true in the mainstream media, much of which never pays attention to cycling at all.
 
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rockofullr said:
Wearing tights and riding around the countryside sipping wine with frogs is not going to get you noticed by the American media.
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Good one. Except that it got Lance noticed for many years. Sure, it was only part of his story - but it was a pretty important part.

Cycling pundits used to think Lance's crossover appeal was one of his great contributions to the sport. Now? Not so much.

I've been a fan for a long time and although it's been difficult to care much in recent years, there is a still a part of me that bristles when cycling gets negative publicity of any kind.
 
CBJ

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Yes, as one of the above articles mention his world championship was pretty big too. I saw it live in Denmark and I remember it as being a big surprise.
 
JohnE

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This is about as negative as it gets. I loved LA...not only for kicking ass in the TOur, but for the good stuff he has done. I was looking at his picture today on another web site, and that cocky gonna beat some rich kids and do good things in the world look that I used to see was replaced by that of a shameless cheat who would (apparently...) do anything to win. Now I know how the kid who said "Say it aint so Joe..." felt.

Maybe jail is a good place for him...a French jail tho. No more American tax dollars to support his ass.

Wonder if Trek will make apologies to Lemond...I know I should. I really felt (Having met him and dealt with his attitude...) Lemonds deal was all sour grapes.
 
rockofullr

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OGRipper said:
Good one. Except that it got Lance noticed for many years. Sure, it was only part of his story - but it was a pretty important part.

Cycling pundits used to think Lance's crossover appeal was one of his great contributions to the sport. Now? Not so much.

I've been a fan for a long time and although it's been difficult to care much in recent years, there is a still a part of me that bristles when cycling gets negative publicity of any kind.
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My two cents.

Many Americans (myself and other mtb riders included) can't bring themselves to care about road biking.

For me the biggest appeal of Lance was that he was crushing smug euro riders in their own race, pure national pride stuff.
 
norbar

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I find it funny that insurance company wants their money back for sponsoring lance. They got their ads and now they want to get their money back even though no one remembers they sponsored Lance. It's a dick move even though I don't like Lance
 
CBJ

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norbar said:
I find it funny that insurance company wants their money back for sponsoring lance. They got their ads and now they want to get their money back even though no one remembers they sponsored Lance. It's a dick move even though I don't like Lance
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Did you read the article?
 
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I find it funny that any sponsor would think about trying to get their money back. They paid to use his image to sell products which I'm sure made those companies plenty of money.
 
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