[TheMontashu]

Now I am for the ACLU defending our rights, but they should in no way have a position on an issue beyond "if the law says you can you can." They will defend NAMBLA's right to exist but not my right to have a gun. You may say guns kill people but it is not hard saying that child molesters are worse than gun owners.

http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=9621&c=25


Amendment II - Right to bear arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Infringe
infringe vb [Latin infringere] 1: violate, transgress 2: encroach, trespass Source: NMW

In the context of the Constitution, phrases like "shall not be infringed," "shall make no law," and "shall not be violated" sound pretty unbendable, but the Supreme Court has ruled that some laws can, in fact, encroach on these phrases. For example, though there is freedom of speech, you cannot slander someone; though you can own a pistol, you cannot own a nuclear weapon.

(got the info from http://www.usconstitution.net/)

 

[chicodude]

Guns are for the weak.



There. There is my Anti-gun statement for the day.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Guns are for the weak.



There. There is my Anti-gun statement for the day.

That's kind of....... ummm.... weak.

-S.S.-

 

[gschuette]

Guns are for the weak.



There. There is my Anti-gun statement for the day.

So if someone breaks into your home wielding a gun you will still be able to fight them off because your lack of a gun gives you superhuman strength and bulletproof skin?

 

[Jr_Bullit]

As a small single woman with only a cat to protect my home at this point, I strongly disagree with the ACLU's interpretation of what would seem to be a fairly black and white statement. I want the right to protect my home, myself, and my family, and if my weapon of choice were a gun, then so be it. Better that than a baseball bat some big ugly dood can beat me up with .

There - my pro gun statement for the day.

 

[mack]

Guns are for the weak.



There. There is my Anti-gun statement for the day.

The average NRA member is more than capapble of kicking the **** out of the average NAMBLA member anyday, without guns.

 

[TheMontashu]

The average NRA member is more than capapble of kicking the **** out of the average NAMBLA member anyday, without guns.

I would be one of the targets of an average NAMBLA member so have decided to join the NRA(not cause of NAMBLA) and protect myself

 

[chicodude]

So if someone breaks into your home wielding a gun you will still be able to fight them off because your lack of a gun gives you superhuman strength and bulletproof skin?

But that not what I am saying. A gun is steel courage. The guy who breaks into a house (or pulls out a gun on someone) is too afraid to fight the victim.


Okay. Tell me this. What good have guns done for society?

What problems have the solved that couldn't be solved with a big stick or a well thrown rock?

 

[mack]

But that not what I am saying. A gun is steel courage. The guy who breaks into a house (or pulls out a gun on someone) is too afraid to fight the victim.


Okay. Tell me this. What good have guns done for society?

What problems have the solved that couldn't be solved with a big stick or a well thrown rock?

Well, lets not start this... i could argue the same with SUV's. What good have they done, or cigarets as well. Its just a part of society that you as a citizen are going to have to deal with or better yet move to Canada. :angry:


Gun or no gun, a bank person will still give you the money. I remember a blind guy in CT who robbed a bank by just asking for all the money, he did not get far though, as a citizen stoped him and he gave the money back...

 

[chicodude]

Cigarettes have done no good.


The suv argument is no really valid though.

 

[Jr_Bullit]

But that not what I am saying. A gun is steel courage. The guy who breaks into a house (or pulls out a gun on someone) is too afraid to fight the victim.


Okay. Tell me this. What good have guns done for society?

What problems have the solved that couldn't be solved with a big stick or a well thrown rock?

So...Trivia Question for you:

What 1st world, well respected country in Europe requires Every household to have a gun and every individual to be properly trained with one?

Let's start reviewing this particular countries statistics and compare them to that of the comparatively violent US.

http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com/articles/article11.html (long article)
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200310020833.asp

 

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>
Okay. Tell me this. What good have guns done for society?

Well, if the bad guys would agree to only use rocks and sticks, then you'd have a point.

If you really want to see the good guns have done, pick up a gun magazine some time and read the section that describes people who have successfully defended themselves with a firearm.

And do we need to get into the Second World War? I'd say guns "did good" for society in that "little" conflict........

-S.S.-

 

[SkaredShtles]

So...Trivia Question for you:

What 1st world, well respected country in Europe requires Every household to have a gun and every individual to be properly trained with one?

Switzerland! What do I win??

-S.S.-

 

[Silver]

Well, the Swiss are generally better educated than your average American, and they aren't bat**** crazy.

They also have very reasonable drug laws, and did I mention they aren't bat**** crazy?

 

[chicodude]

No one has yet to answer my question.


What good have guns done for society?

That article just told me:

If only a select few have guns, crime rate goes up. If EVERYONE has a gun, Crime rates go down. What's the point of even having them?

 

[mack]

The Swiss are really crazy... we had a swiss couple rent our 3rd floor apartment in New Haven, and both were PHD's in yeast science... now tell me that they arent crazy.

 

[SkaredShtles]

No one has yet to answer my question.


What good have guns done for society?

I told you. Every time someone an individual defends her/himself with a firearm, "society" has been served positively by firearms.

Say a 250lb man is hell bent on raping a 100lb woman. Do you think a stick or well-thrown stone is going to help that woman? Maybe. But a .45 auto will be a *much* better choice for her.........

-S.S.-

 

[Silver]

I told you. Every time someone an individual defends her/himself with a firearm, "society" has been served positively by firearms.

Say a 250lb man is hell bent on raping a 100lb woman. Do you think a stick or well-thrown stone is going to help that woman? Maybe. But a .45 auto will be a *much* better choice for her.........

-S.S.-

And every time there is a gun accident, or an armed robbery, society has been served detrimentally by firearms.

Which way are the scales tipping? Say a 120lb outcast is intent on wasting his class at school...a knife might work, but a couple of guns seem to do a bang up job as well...

 

[TheMontashu]

No one has yet to answer my question.


What good have guns done for society?

That article just told me:

If only a select few have guns, crime rate goes up. If EVERYONE has a gun, Crime rates go down. What's the point of even having them?

I think guns did a very good job of stoping hitler?

 

[Silver]

I think guns did a very good job of stoping hitler?

And if Hitler had no guns?

 

[mack]

And if Hitler had no guns?

Now we are just thinking "what if pigs could fly?"...


Look at the link that some one posted, did you read it?

 

[chicodude]

And if Hitler had no guns?

Whoa, Someone see's my point.


And yes, I do feel a well throw stone to the head will help alot. neaky:

 

[mack]

You will never be able to take guns away...

If the USA ever tries to ban guns, people will start fighting. You can pry them from my cold dead fingers.

 

[chicodude]

You will never be able to take guns away...

If the USA ever tries to ban guns, people will start fighting. You can pry them from my cold dead fingers.

For once, you're right. It would be damn near impossible to take guns away from the people.

I say we make bullets super expensive.

 

[mack]

That really wouldnt do anything other than making hunters pissed... after all, how many bullets do you need when sticking up a 7-11? You can use a friggen squirt gun painted black and still get the money...

 

[TheMontashu]

Whoa, Someone see's my point.


And yes, I do feel a well throw stone to the head will help alot. neaky:

the fact is hitler had guns, guns exist YOU CANT CHANGE THAT your an idealist you should be a REALIST

 

[chicodude]

the fact is hitler had guns, guns exist YOU CANT CHANGE THAT your an idealist you should be a REALIST

Psh, You're still a little pussy that has to hide behind a gun for protection.


How's that for realism?

 

[Jr_Bullit]

No one has yet to answer my question.


What good have guns done for society?

That article just told me:

If only a select few have guns, crime rate goes up. If EVERYONE has a gun, Crime rates go down. What's the point of even having them?

Okay...so hypothetically speaking...if we never invented guns,and there weren't such things as guns, then we really wouldn't need them. The bad guys and bullies would use physical size, strength, rocks and sticks to do the job. And the innocent people would defend themselves with equally creative methods.

Or - hypothetically speaking, we invent a handheld weapon that disables guns from a significant distance (like...100'?), well then, guns would suddenly become less popular and we'd have no need for them.

But, in a world where the goal is survival ...and the means of survival really are up for grabs depending on your morals, upbringing, and what you deem as good fun for making money and procreation...well then there's gonna be bad guys and good guys and the bad guys are always gonna find away to have a convenient and scary method of destruction on hand...so the good guys need to have an equally convenient and scary method of destruction...or method for defense against the other scary method of destruction.

How'd I do? Does that answer your question?

 

[Jr_Bullit]

And every time there is a gun accident, or an armed robbery, society has been served detrimentally by firearms.

Which way are the scales tipping? Say a 120lb outcast is intent on wasting his class at school...a knife might work, but a couple of guns seem to do a bang up job as well...

True, but that's because the stigma of guns are at this point that they are a dangerous thing to even have around. People seem to think that if you buy a gun, you must not need any proper training on how to "handle" a gun. A small woman, or large man who actually knows what the hell they are doing with a gun, poses no danger to herself or her family.

If society changed its perceptions about guns and was just a little more educated and respectful of the stupid things, then perhaps more 100lb women would have them. That and a big mean scary dog .

 

[Jr_Bullit]

Whoa, Someone see's my point.


And yes, I do feel a well throw stone to the head will help alot. neaky:

Dood...how many women, and modern day men have you seen throw properly? I aim well enough if I concentrate and take my time and am not nervous...but ****...me holding a fist sized rock is not going to stop another person while they sit and figure out if I know how to use it. They'll just keep on comin...

 

[Jr_Bullit]

For once, you're right. It would be damn near impossible to take guns away from the people.

I say we make bullets super expensive.

Uhh...that's the argument used for gas...some cars are getting smaller and more efficient, but the opposite is true too...lol...and people still find ways to drive lots.

 

[chicodude]

If gas was 300 dollars a gallon I would bet people would drive alot less.


I know alot of girls can'y throw, but a swift kick in the nuts will provide them with enough time to escape

 

[chicodude]

Okay...so hypothetically speaking...if we never invented guns,and there weren't such things as guns, then we really wouldn't need them. The bad guys and bullies would use physical size, strength, rocks and sticks to do the job. And the innocent people would defend themselves with equally creative methods.

Or - hypothetically speaking, we invent a handheld weapon that disables guns from a significant distance (like...100'?), well then, guns would suddenly become less popular and we'd have no need for them.

But, in a world where the goal is survival ...and the means of survival really are up for grabs depending on your morals, upbringing, and what you deem as good fun for making money and procreation...well then there's gonna be bad guys and good guys and the bad guys are always gonna find away to have a convenient and scary method of destruction on hand...so the good guys need to have an equally convenient and scary method of destruction...or method for defense against the other scary method of destruction.

How'd I do? Does that answer your question?

Good enough I guess.

 

[TheMontashu]

For once, you're right. It would be damn near impossible to take guns away from the people.

I say we make bullets super expensive.

i can cast my own bullets. lets not forget if bullets are realy expencive
CRIMINALS are ganna fallow the law when getting ammo!

 

[TheMontashu]

Psh, You're still a little pussy that has to hide behind a gun for protection.


How's that for realism?

so what im a 125 pound pussy but knowing how to use a gun will keep me alive

 

[jaydee]

So if someone breaks into your home wielding a gun you will still be able to fight them off because your lack of a gun gives you superhuman strength and bulletproof skin?

Is this something that happens to you frequently. I think I'd just move. Why would anyone want to live in a place where they thought they needed a gun so they could shoot people first, just in case they might get shot themselves? Sounds like a case of way too much primetime TV in your upbringing.

 

[chicodude]

so what im a 125 pound pussy but knowing how to use a gun will keep me alive

I know how to use a gun. It doesn't take a friggin genuis to use/clean/assemble a gun.

when haveyou ever run across a situation where you needed a gun to survive? I could see if you lived in the wild, and you had bigass scary animals coming to eat you, but you don't

 

[valve bouncer]

I say we make bullets super expensive.

No Chris Rock said that. You're just copying him.
(Backs slowly out of the 5000000th merrcans talkin' about guns thread)

 

[TheMontashu]

Is this something that happens to you frequently. I think I'd just move. Why would anyone want to live in a place where they thought they needed a gun so they could shoot people first, just in case they might get shot themselves? Sounds like a case of way too much primetime TV in your upbringing.

Jest remember the places that don't have as much crime have more guns. in D.C. they have banned guns and yet the murder rate is 6TIMES the national average

 

[chicodude]

No Chris Rock said that. You're just copying him.
(Backs slowly out of the 5000000th merrcans talkin' about guns thread)

That idea was around long before chris rock.