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is the right to religious beliefs becoming too much of a problem?

LordOpie

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ST. LOUIS - Walgreen Co. said it has put four Illinois pharmacists in the St. Louis area on unpaid leave for refusing to fill prescriptions for emergency contraception in violation of a state rule.

The four cited religious or moral objections to filling prescriptions for the morning-after pill and "have said they would like to maintain their right to refuse to dispense, and in Illinois that is not an option," Walgreen spokeswoman Tiffani Bruce said.

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At least six other pharmacists have sued over the rule, claiming it forces them to violate their religious beliefs.

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Should a person be forced to do part of their job if it conflicts with their beliefs?
 

Old Man G Funk

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The problem is that they are trying to inflict their beliefs on the people around them. If they can't fulfill the duties of being a pharmacist without pushing their agenda on all those around them, they should find a different line of work.
 

LordOpie

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well, Walgreens offered to relocate them to another state. But should Walgreens feel the need to make them such an offer? Should someone have to uproot their life to get a new job?

Supposed a chicken processing plant started doing pork? Should an islamic worker be forced to handle pork?
 

Old Man G Funk

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Walgreens was under no obligation to relocate them, period. In fact, I don't like that they did that. Instead of getting rid of someone who is pushing their religion on those around them and because of it can't perform at the job, Walgreens is going to simply send them elsewhere where that person can do it to someone else? That doesn't seem like a good option.
 

Tenchiro

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Old Man G Funk said:
Walgreens was under no obligation to relocate them, period. In fact, I don't like that they did that. Instead of getting rid of someone who is pushing their religion on those around them and because of it can't perform at the job, Walgreens is going to simply send them elsewhere where that person can do it to someone else? That doesn't seem like a good option.
Religion is a protected class under the law. You can't fire someone because of it.
 

fluff

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Tenchiro said:
Religion is a protected class under the law. You can't fire someone because of it.
Can't you fire them for not doing their jobb if they claim it is against their religion then?
 

kidwoo

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LordOpie said:
well, Walgreens offered to relocate them to another state. But should Walgreens feel the need to make them such an offer? Should someone have to uproot their life to get a new job?

Supposed a chicken processing plant started doing pork? Should an islamic worker be forced to handle pork?
meh.......victim victim victim...........

I think it's cool that walgreens would even go that far and not just fire them.

They shouldn't pander in an industry just because someone morally unable to fufill thier job duties insists they should be in the field. I'm not demanding to be let into the military just so I can b1tch about being made to shoot people later on.
 

LordOpie

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Old Man G Funk said:
Walgreens was under no obligation to relocate them, period. In fact, I don't like that they did that. Instead of getting rid of someone who is pushing their religion on those around them and because of it can't perform at the job, Walgreens is going to simply send them elsewhere where that person can do it to someone else? That doesn't seem like a good option.
well, not to get off-track here, but that's what the church did with their problems.

Do we know that these pharmacists pushed their religion -or- simply refused to do part of their job?

Again, what about the islamic meat processing dude?

Where's the line?
 

LordOpie

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fluff said:
Can't you fire them for not doing their jobb if they claim it is against their religion then?
You can fire them for not doing their job, period. Yes. But should you?

Obviously, this case is more clear-cut then others since there's a state law specifically saying they must fill said prescriptions.
 

LordOpie

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kidwoo said:
meh.......victim victim victim...........

I think it's cool that walgreens would even go that far and not just fire them.

They shouldn't pander in an industry just because someone morally unable to fufill thier job duties insists they should be in the field. I'm not demanding to be let into the military just so I can b1tch about being made to shoot people later on.
In their defense, they probably got their degrees and careers rolling before the drug was even in development.
 

Old Man G Funk

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LordOpie said:
well, not to get off-track here, but that's what the church did with their problems.

Do we know that these pharmacists pushed their religion -or- simply refused to do part of their job?

Again, what about the islamic meat processing dude?

Where's the line?
Yes, they are pushing their religious thoughts on others and violating the rights of the patients in the process.
 

fluff

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If they can't be fired I'm gonna move me to Illinois and start a new religion that forbids me doing anything I consider immoral. Which would be pretty much anything at all.

Of course I'll need a highly paid job first...
 

LordOpie

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what about a doctor who believes abortion is wrong, goes to work for a hospital that didn't do abortions, then started doing them? Should the doctor be forced to do the procedure?
 

kidwoo

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LordOpie said:
In their defense, they probably got their degrees and careers rolling before the drug was even in development.
Regardless of when they got their credentials, their job is to dispense medication, NOT decide who deserves what medication in particular......that's someone else's job. If they have a serious enough problem with it, it's their duty to themselves to find another field.

I studied biochemistry and chemical engineering in undergrad and grad school respectively. After enough interships between semesters and serious investigation of some of the companies I was interviewing with, I very meticulously chose who I could morally handle working for......point being, most of them I couldn't stomach. These whiners can do the same thing if they think they're killing babies or whatever the hell their problem is. Like I said, I think walgreens is being pretty accomodating.
 

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LordOpie said:
what about a doctor who believes abortion is wrong, goes to work for a hospital that didn't do abortions, then started doing them? Should the doctor be forced to do the procedure?
If abortion is legal, then yes. He needs to do his job or get the f*ck out. His beliefs don't overide the law. That's why we have laws. Otherwise as a murderer I could just claim it's my religious belief that led me to murder and get off scott free. In reality if I claimed this I'd be locked up as a mental case.
 

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Tenchiro said:
Religion is a protected class under the law. You can't fire someone because of it.
Does that mean if I get a job as a pastor, I can let everyone know I'm an atheist and then sue when I get fired?

This is getting sticky...
 

Old Man G Funk

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Changleen said:
If abortion is legal, then yes. He needs to do his job or get the f*ck out. His beliefs don't overide the law. That's why we have laws. Otherwise as a murderer I could just claim it's my religious belief that led me to murder and get off scott free. In reality if I claimed this I'd be locked up as a mental case.
Spot on.
 

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Tenchiro said:
Religion is a protected class under the law. You can't fire someone because of it.
Note quite - You can't fire someone for holding a religious point of view, but if they act upon it and that action is at odds with the law of the land then they can eat a dick.
 

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Changleen said:
Note quite - You can't fire someone for holding a religious point of view, but if they act upon it and that action is at odds with the law of the land then they can eat a dick.
Ewww. A harsh punishment...
 

Tenchiro

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Changleen said:
Note quite - You can't fire someone for holding a religious point of view, but if they act upon it and that action is at odds with the law of the land then they can eat a dick.
I am betting that in this day and age, if you fired someone and it had anything to do with religion you would lose your shirt in court.
 

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LordOpie said:
what about a doctor who believes abortion is wrong, goes to work for a hospital that didn't do abortions, then started doing them? Should the doctor be forced to do the procedure?
They can pick a different specialty or be transferred to a department where that is no longer one of their responsibilities, but the onus would be on the doctor to adapt.
 

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Tenchiro said:
I am betting that in this day and age, if you fired someone and it had anything to do with religion you would lose your shirt in court.
Hopefully not even an American jury would see things in such ****ed PC colouring.
 

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Back on topic, isn't there an exception for gender based discrimination laws for a bona fide job requirement (which means, for example, that I can't sue because I didn't get hired as a dancer at a titty bar...)

I would imagine that would also apply in religious circumstances, no?
 

Tenchiro

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Changleen said:
Hopefully not even an American jury would see things in such ****ed PC colouring.
Under Title 7 religion, along with race, sex color national origin is a protected class though. Atheism included.

I don't think Hormel could fire a muslim for refusing to work in the pork and beans line, any more than Walgreens could fire these guys for refusing to fill a perscription.

I would think that they would have to offer them lateral moves, but leave themselves open to a lawsuit if they canned them.

Not that I am a lawyer or anything. So I could be wrong.
 

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Silver said:
Back on topic, isn't there an exception for gender based discrimination laws for a bona fide job requirement (which means, for example, that I can't sue because I didn't get hired as a dancer at a titty bar...)

I would imagine that would also apply in religious circumstances, no?
I'd say that's wrong. You choose your religion, but you don't choose to have titties or not. Well, actually these days you could choose titties but then you could work in a titty bar.
 

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Tenchiro said:
Under Title 7 religion, along with race, sex color national origin is a protected class though. Atheism included.

I don't think Hormel could fire a muslim for refusing to work in the pork and beans line, any more than Walgreens could fire these guys for refusing to fill a perscription.

I would think that they would have to offer them lateral moves, but leave themselves open to a lawsuit if they canned them.

Not that I am a lawyer or anything. So I could be wrong.
Religion should not be classed in with race sex and colour. It's a totally different thing. You can't choose race sex or colour, (generally) but you can choose your religion and change it as easily.

What if I have a job in a pork slaughterhouse then decide to become a Jew? Is the pork place responsible for finding me a new job? **** no.
 

Tenchiro

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Changleen said:
Religion should not be classed in with race sex and colour. It's a totally different thing. You can't choose race sex or colour, (generally) but you can choose your religion and change it as easily.

What if I have a job in a pork slaughterhouse then decide to become a Jew? Is the pork place responsible for finding me a new job? **** no.
I totally agree.
 

LordOpie

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Changleen said:
What if I have a job in a pork slaughterhouse then decide to become a Jew? Is the pork place responsible for finding me a new job? **** no.
but what if the situation was reversed... a jew in a chicken house who starts doing pork?

Is it the same... do it or get a new job?
 

kidwoo

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LordOpie said:
but what if the situation was reversed... a jew in a chicken house who starts doing pork?

Is it the same... do it or get a new job?
You obviously keep the job and get over that whole quoran thing. Only an idiot doesn't like bacon..........and they should be shot........with porkchops.
 

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kidwoo said:
You obviously keep the job and get over that whole quoran thing. Only an idiot doesn't like bacon..........and they should be shot........with porkchops.
LMAO!
 

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LordOpie said:
but what if the situation was reversed... a jew in a chicken house who starts doing pork?

Is it the same... do it or get a new job?
Hold on, the guy running the chicken house should fire his ass if his jew starts branching out into other meat products.
 

LordOpie

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fluff said:
Hold on, the guy running the chicken house should fire his ass if his jew starts branching out into other meat products.
what if he was making his boss even more money? We jews are good at that.

And by we, I mean jews other than me, apparently.