[Changleen]

but what if the situation was reversed... a jew in a chicken house who starts doing pork?

Is it the same... do it or get a new job?

I should think in that case the right thing would be for the porkhouse to offer the jew alternative work within the house, either up or down, but running a viable business that supports the livelihoods of many people is more important than the irrational beliefs of a single individual.

If the jew gets lucky there is an opening for them in distribution or a clerical function, if not they get to sweep up in the evening. There should not be a situation where the jew gets a free ride because the business has evolved.

 

[fluff]

what if he was making his boss even more money? We jews are good at that.

And by we, I mean jews other than me, apparently.

So if I convert there's no guarantee of riches? Only racial discrimination? Doesn't sound like such a good idea after all.

 

[Changleen]

what if he was making his boss even more money? We jews are good at that.

And by we, I mean jews other than me, apparently.

Yeah, well you don't even capitalise your own irration belief set. I mean, c'mon! What sort of jew are you?

 

[LordOpie]

"his jew"

"You're my boy jew" ~ Old School

 

[LordOpie]

Yeah, well you don't even capitalise your own irration belief set. I mean, c'mon! What sort of jew are you?

I'm the diet jew of evil

 

[Changleen]

Have you ever done the jew?

 

[Silver]

I think it's time to throw the Jew down the well.

Where's Borat when you need him?

 

[fluff]

I like Mountain Jew

 

[Tenchiro]

I'm the diet jew of evil

Jew so crazy!

 

[LordOpie]

I like Mountain Jew

Dude, you do realize that's just me pissin' in a bottle, yeah?

 

[fluff]

Dude, you do realize that's just me pissin' in a bottle, yeah?

do you do draught?

 

[manimal]

Instead of getting rid of someone who is pushing their religion on those around them and because of it can't perform at the job,

whoa! do you realize what you are saying? they didn't PUSH religion on anyone, this action that goes against what they believe was PUSHED on them.

i'll try to analogize this but it's not quite the same. lets say you work out our beloved walmart in the home/garden area. you are a passionate anti-gun advocate due to your sister being shot by accident in a friends home. you understand that guns are being sold in your store but you've learned to deal with it because you love your job and you're not directly linked to the sale of the guns. so one day, you're told that you are being moved to the sporting goods department and that you'll be required to sell guns. you refuse and are fired.

so who's forcing what on who. maybe they should get another job because the supreme court does not see christianity as a religion worth protecting anymore. but don't dare say that they're forcing religion on anyone.

 

[Silver]

i'll try to analogize this but it's not quite the same. lets say you work out our beloved walmart in the home/garden area. you are a passionate anti-gun advocate due to your sister being shot by accident in a friends home. you understand that guns are being sold in your store but you've learned to deal with it because you love your job and you're not directly linked to the sale of the guns. so one day, you're told that you are being moved to the sporting goods department and that you'll be required to sell guns. you refuse and are fired.

Horrible analogy. A better one would be your passionate anti-gun advocate gettting a job at a gun store. And then getting his ass fired, because he won't sell guns.

 

[blt2ride]

Does that mean if I get a job as a pastor, I can let everyone know I'm an atheist and then sue when I get fired?

This is getting sticky...

Yeah, this is a pretty convoluted situation, that is going to get very sticky. I see a lot of our tax dollars going to fight this one in the courts.

My opinion, they need to fulfill the requirements and obligations of their job. From a company's stand point, if they are refusing to do what they are asked, assuming it is legal and within the scope of their employment, which it clearly is, they can be terminated for failing to work as directed. On the other hand, once religion gets mixed into the mess, it kind of changes everything...this one is going to be interesting. To be honest, I'm kind of shocked Walgreens has decided to suspend without pay...

 

[manimal]

Horrible analogy. A better one would be your passionate anti-gun advocate gettting a job at a gun store. And then getting his ass fired, because he won't sell guns.

not really. it's difficult to make an analogy that encompasses the passion that some feel when a direct link to human life is involved. pharmacists have no problem selling 99.9% of the drugs that they have been selling for years. they probably got into the job for a love of medicine, helping people or maybe they thought it was a cool job. suddenly, the drug companies come out with a pill that kills fetal humans.....(this is not a debate of when a fetus is a baby....just pointing out that is what they believe) and then they're made to sell said drug. i guess a better analogy would be for me. love being a cop, believe in what i do. then one day, legislation comes out that makes any open display of affiliation with certain religions an arrestable offense. i would not enforce that law, even though it would probably mean my job, it would be against my beliefs to persecute someone based on their religious affiliation.

the point is, the pharmacists have not, in any way, PUSHED their religion on anyone. it's all fine and dandy to aggressively preach alternative lifestyles and acceptance of other religions,but if a christian stands up for what he/she believes they're suddenly pushing religion. pretty crummy double standard if you ask me.

 

[ohio]

the point is, the pharmacists have not, in any way, PUSHED their religion on anyone.

They have affected someone's health and safety in a time-sensitive situation while under legal obligation to perform a task. I don't care what you want to call it, I wouldn't just fire them, I would pull their licenses.

 

[ohio]

it's all fine and dandy to aggressively preach alternative lifestyles and acceptance of other religions,but if a christian stands up for what he/she believes they're suddenly pushing religion. pretty crummy double standard if you ask me.

Seriously, I laugh every time you write this. Do you really feel you're oppressed? Do you honestly see people "aggressively preach" alternative lifestyles? You live in NC... are these alternative lifestyles about drinking moonshine and boning your sister? I live in what you would probably call a hot-bed of alternative lifestyles, and I have never been encouraged, let alone preached at, by anyone OTHER than evangelical Christians, Nazarenes, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other folks loosely self-affiliated with Jesus.

This has nothing to do with the pharmacist being a Christian, and everything to do with someone no longer willing or able to perform the task for which they are paid AND legally responsible.

 

[fluff]

I have never been encouraged, let alone preached at, by anyone OTHER than evangelical Christians, Nazarenes, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other folks loosely self-affiliated with Jesus.

Sometimes when I walk past someone loudly preaching Jesus' message in my local town centre I am tempted to set up opposite preaching why I think it's a load of baloney. Anyone else feel that way?

I've not succumbed yet because I'm a very tolerant guy, but the next time I see one of 'em I'm gonna rip off his ears and shove 'em down his throat.

 

[Silver]

not really. it's difficult to make an analogy that encompasses the passion that some feel when a direct link to human life is involved. pharmacists have no problem selling 99.9% of the drugs that they have been selling for years. they probably got into the job for a love of medicine, helping people or maybe they thought it was a cool job. suddenly, the drug companies come out with a pill that kills fetal humans.....(this is not a debate of when a fetus is a baby....just pointing out that is what they believe) and then they're made to sell said drug.

You did read this part, didn't you:

A rule imposed by Gov. Rod Blagojevich in April requires Illinois pharmacies that sell contraceptives approved by the U.S.
Food and Drug Administration to fill prescriptions for emergency birth control. Pharmacies that do not fill prescriptions for any type of contraception are not required to follow the rule.

Seriously, you aren't even standing on the stub of one leg in this argument. It should also be pointed out that there have been cases recently where pharmacists wouldn't fill regular contraception either. The whole "morning after pill is an abortion!" thing is a smokescreen for a clearly religious belief.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Sometimes when I walk past someone loudly preaching Jesus' message in my local town centre I am tempted to set up opposite preaching why I think it's a load of baloney. Anyone else feel that way?

Yep..............except for the baloney part.........LOL

 

[Old Man G Funk]

whoa! do you realize what you are saying? they didn't PUSH religion on anyone, this action that goes against what they believe was PUSHED on them.

i'll try to analogize this but it's not quite the same. lets say you work out our beloved walmart in the home/garden area. you are a passionate anti-gun advocate due to your sister being shot by accident in a friends home. you understand that guns are being sold in your store but you've learned to deal with it because you love your job and you're not directly linked to the sale of the guns. so one day, you're told that you are being moved to the sporting goods department and that you'll be required to sell guns. you refuse and are fired.

so who's forcing what on who. maybe they should get another job because the supreme court does not see christianity as a religion worth protecting anymore. but don't dare say that they're forcing religion on anyone.

Your analogy doesn't hold because the pharmacists chose their line of work, they didn't get transfered there.

And, yes, they are pushing their religion on others, especially considering that they are overstepping the bounds of their job function in order to do it. The decision to medicate is made between the doctor and the patient, not the doctor, patient, and pharmacist. The pharmacists fulfills the prescription and double checks the doctor's work to make sure that the doctor has not made an error that can harm the patient (i.e. prescribing two pills that counteract each other in harmful ways.) The pharmacist has NO prescriptive power, nor does (s)he have the power to intrude on the doctor patient relationship. So, yes, they are pushing their religion on others, because they are going way out of their way and outside the bounds of the job in order to do it.

 

[MudGrrl]

You best bet if some Nimrod such as Karen Brauer decided that they aren't going to fill my birth control prescription based on 'morals', I'm going to do everything I can to make sure they aren't filling any prescriptions....



Druggists suspended in debate over pill

"Menges, an anti-abortion Catholic who lives in Edwardsville, said he drew the line at dispensing emergency contraception commonly known as the morning-after pill because he views it as a form of abortion."


And, as some have pointed out, they aren't stopping at the morning after pill, some pharmacists are refusing to give out any birth control pills..

Pharmacists refuse
"In Madison, Wis., a pharmacist faces possible disciplinary action by the state pharmacy board for refusing to transfer a woman's prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give the slip back to her. He would not refill it because of his religious views."

Now I have to avoid these pharmacies, because I don't know if I'm going to get my prescription or a bible and a lecture..

Target
Eckerd

and this also introduces the question of rape.
What happens when a woman gets raped? Would one of these 'moral' pharmacists refuse her the morning after pill? What then?


oh, yeah, as an end note, Karen Brauer
happily dispenses viagra to help "a whole lot of old married men get lucky"

 

[Old Man G Funk]

And what if he won't give her the slip back and she can't get a new prescription before the pill is no longer able to work?

 

[MudGrrl]

a lot of this would be avoided if men would just keep women in their place................

Promise Keepers

Women SUBMIT!!!!!

 

[fluff]

a lot of this would be avoided if men would just keep women in their place................

Promise Keepers

Women SUBMIT!!!!!

I looked but I didn't see any kitchens?

 

[Andyman_1970]

a lot of this would be avoided if men would just keep women in their place................

Promise Keepers

Women SUBMIT!!!!!

Having been to several PK events, that's more than a bit of an exageration...........