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is this a good tubless wheelset?

JMAC

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Feb 18, 2002
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How bout this lose a little weight and train a little more and become a smother rider cause those won't make you much faster if any.
But if you really want tubeless just convert yours with stans notubes notubes.com
 

NRSracer

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Sep 7, 2001
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Originally posted by JMAC
How bout this lose a little weight and train a little more and become a smother rider cause those won't make you much faster if any.
But if you really want tubeless just convert yours with stans notubes notubes.com
1) i only weigh 115, basically no body fat
2)I know how to choose a good line and take it, i dont just bomb down the side of a mountain not looking where my bike goes the last few flats were caused by 1) a sharp stone 2) pedal clipping out and having the tire slam on the log 3) an irrigation hump i didnt see sent me a foot and a half in the air and i didn't have a chance to control my landing, and landed on another sharp rock
3) why do the homemade thing when the rear hub loosens itself and there is a dent in the rim from flat number 2
4)im not trying to go faster, i understand that 100 grams wont make me faster, im looking to get rid om my pinch flat problem.
5)How can you even start to guess my riding style, i get 2 bad frames and a couple flat tires and you call me a bad rider.
6)How do you know how much i train?and how can you tell me to train more when youre not quite sure what your program is?
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=32133
 

oldfart

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Jul 5, 2001
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That second set of wheels is a fine set of wheels but heavy. XT disc hubs are one of the haevier sets out there. The X-3.1 rim is also a little heavy at 450gm plus inserts. A 317 disc is 395 gms.

Tubeless tires are all pretty much heavier or par witha comparable race tire with tube and rim strip so there is little to gain in the weight department and because the rims are generally heavier or rely on a heavy rim strip, you loose in the weight departement. The Stans system according to one friend who ran the system all year, is not all its cracked up to be. The weight of the goo and rim strip is about what a light tube weighs and he still gets puncture flats with the goo in there.

What tubeless gives you is a better smoother ride due to the lower pressures you can run and the lack of tube/casing friction. That will make you faster. Traction is better and that will make you faster. You will not pinch flat and therefore won't have to stop and fix a pinch flat nor will you have to alter your riding so as to not pinch, and that makes you faster.

Contrary to popular belief, a tubeless tire is easily patched with a regular patch kit. At least the Michelins I've punctured.

Some tubeless tires are difficult to inflate with a foot pump. But usually a spray bottle of soapy water around the rim before hand helps seal things.

Tubeless might give you an advantage if it has something you want. It might not do anything for you.
 

indieboy

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Jan 4, 2002
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Originally posted by JMAC
How bout this lose a little weight and train a little more and become a smother rider cause those won't make you much faster if any.
But if you really want tubeless just convert yours with stans notubes notubes.com
dont waste your time w/ that silly latex crap.....
 

indieboy

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the 3.1's are but not the 317's. the best deal you will probably find for the ust wheels are the mavic crossroc's. i'm actually using a set right now and for the money they are a sweet set of wheels. they come in both disc and none so don't worry about them being compatible or not. the weight of them isn't to bad but like oldfart said it's going to be just about on par w/ a regular tire/tube set up. you don't really save any weight from using this set up, however you are allowed to use lower pressures and gain a lot more traction. do not run below 30 psi for your own safety, most ppl when they think LOW pressure they think like stupid low like 20 psi, which will only make the tire roll off the rim resulting in damaging the rim possibly.
 

oldfart

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Jul 5, 2001
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Depends how much you weigh Indieboy. I can get away with 25 and 30 front rear with tubeless Pythons or Michelin Comps. If I run the Michelin 24.1 DH tires which are Nagesti compatible and seem to work on UST rims fine, I can get away with 20 front and rear. Actually ran 15 or so the other day and that was a bit soft. But thats a damn heavy tire with a stiff casing which aids in using low pressure. I'm 140 with a camelback and clothes maybe 150. Our friend is a little man at 115. I bet he could just inflate the tires by blowing them up with lung power to 5 or 10 psi. :D
 

JMAC

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Feb 18, 2002
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Don't worry i'm not trying to be mean but i'm amazed how light you are and still get flats cause i'm big 6'2'' and weight165 and i rarely get flats.
I have heard very good things about the notubes.

Since you do need a new wheelset it would probly be a good choice to go tubeless but i've seen a neber of people when i'm racing not finish because they got flats with tubeless.

Also i have got my training plan all laid out.:D
 

NRSracer

Jamis Slayer
Sep 7, 2001
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Originally posted by indieboy
the 3.1's are but not the 317's. the best deal you will probably find for the ust wheels are the mavic crossroc's. i'm actually using a set right now and for the money they are a sweet set of wheels. they come in both disc and none so don't worry about them being compatible or not. the weight of them isn't to bad but like oldfart said it's going to be just about on par w/ a regular tire/tube set up. you don't really save any weight from using this set up, however you are allowed to use lower pressures and gain a lot more traction. do not run below 30 psi for your own safety, most ppl when they think LOW pressure they think like stupid low like 20 psi, which will only make the tire roll off the rim resulting in damaging the rim possibly.
thanks this was the kind of info i probably desperately needed, im not going for weight loss, just getting rid of pinch flats (3 in the last four races) and tire slippage(doesnt really slow me down too much, just pisses me off sometimes) this week was the last straw, i had a pretty good lead on the guy behind me, and then the kid in second place got a flat 50 ft before me, so i was in second for about 30 seconds, which so far is a first ten minutes after the start. but at least i gained some points on the second place guy in the overall standings.
 

JMAC

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look at ebay i found a wheelset brand new tubeless mavic rims on a DT swiss rear disk hub and front lefty hub with new XT disk rotors and new hutchin sqorpion tires all brand new for 399US which is an amazing deal for all that it's just i have no money it sucks:(
 

JMAC

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Feb 18, 2002
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Originally posted by pat873401
gonna get crossroc's sometime, hopefully before next season (have to pay off my bike first)
LOL that sounds just like me :D