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Heath Sherratt

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Jun 17, 2004
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wtf? thumbs down, imposing your morality on someone else by restricting the sale of it? this is like WalMart not selling certain R rated movies, or Maxim magazine.

http://www.wiretapmag.org/stories/24069/

i don't smoke, and I wish other people chose not to, but to have a company shove its morality down our throats is disgusting...

edit: as stevew said, what if they stop selling beer, red meat and anything with processed sugar? "keeping us safe from ourselves now..."
Yeah, that's like, humane. Why would we want corporations with morals? :shocked: You don't have to support them if you don't agree with them. I just am amazed that people think that allowing something that is bad is freedom. Some stores don't sell porn, does that mean they are pushing their morals on you? No. Go find it somewhere else. What's the big deal? I don't sell cigarettes at my bike shop, am I forcing my morals on you?:disgust1:
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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why, just because you like one and don't like the other? change cigs to chewing tobacco and you don't even piss off the neighbors. fact is, if you let the supplier start deciding what you can and can't have based on their perception of the damage it's going to do to you, you've just given up the right to chose for yourself.

heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans today, but for some reason that 1200 calorie tripple whopper with cheese is still available from BK, 500 calorie donuts are available from Krispy Kreme, and buckets of lard are available at my neighborhood meat store.

alcohol kills 20,000 people a year (and that's just drinking to death, not in alcohol related crashes), and approximately 15 million people are addicted to it. it's the cause of untold numbers of driving fatalities, rapes, violence, etc. do you really mean to tell me that if Wegmans trotted out all these facts and said that they weren't going to contribute to the problems caused by alcohol anymore that would be much different than what they're saying now?
You're all over the place, form a cohesive thought -- one without little boys -- and let's go from there.
 

splat

Nam I am
And for those who think they did it for financial benefit, either you didn't read the link, or you think they were carrying a product they lost money on for the last 50 years or so.
:busted::busted::busted::busted: I admit it I did not read the article. I'm not saying they were losing money on it, I'm saying they may not be making as much as they want to . I don't know about NY but I know in our lovely state there are set legal Minimums and Maximums that Cigerettes can be sold for. and I also Know when that went in to effect , several retailers stopped seeling them.
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
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You're all over the place, form a cohesive thought -- one without little boys -- and let's go from there.
sorry, let me simplify it down to one thing for you since you seem to be having trouble understanding:

Heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans.
Cost of obesity $75billion/year
(as of 2000) 64 percent of adults are overweight or obese

Based on those assumptions, would Wegman's be justified if they stopped selling you red meat, bacon, anything with processed sugar, and anything with high-fructose corn syrup because they felt that they were bad for you and needed to protect you from yourself?

That simple enough for you? :D
 

robdamanii

OMG! <3 Tom Brady!
May 2, 2005
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sorry, let me simplify it down to one thing for you since you seem to be having trouble understanding:

Heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans.
Cost of obesity $75billion/year
(as of 2000) 64 percent of adults are overweight or obese

Based on those assumptions, would Wegman's be justified if they stopped selling you red meat, bacon, anything with processed sugar, and anything with high-fructose corn syrup because they felt that they were bad for you and needed to protect you from yourself?

That simple enough for you? :D
They would be very justified in doing so. It would be a noble thing to do to begin trying to help people better their lives.

That being said, I'd not bother to shop there, neither would many people. So why would they do that and hurt their profit margins significantly? Smokers are a small group and they are carrying less and less power as anti-tobacco legislation is being passed.

Every little bit to stop a habit that physically harms others.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
21,022
3
Denver
sorry, let me simplify it down to one thing for you since you seem to be having trouble understanding:

Heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans.
Cost of obesity $75billion/year
(as of 2000) 64 percent of adults are overweight or obese

Based on those assumptions, would Wegman's be justified if they stopped selling you red meat, bacon, anything with processed sugar, and anything with high-fructose corn syrup because they felt that they were bad for you and needed to protect you from yourself?

That simple enough for you? :D
You don't get it. You're not trying. You're boring the forum.
 
sorry, let me simplify it down to one thing for you since you seem to be having trouble understanding:

Heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans.
Cost of obesity $75billion/year
(as of 2000) 64 percent of adults are overweight or obese

Based on those assumptions, would Wegman's be justified if they stopped selling you red meat, bacon, anything with processed sugar, and anything with high-fructose corn syrup because they felt that they were bad for you and needed to protect you from yourself?

That simple enough for you? :D
People who smoke hurt you and me directly:

1) We pay, one way or another, for their health care after they damage themselves.

2) They hurt us directly by exposing us to secondhand smoke.

Item 2) separates tobacco from beef.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
21,022
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Denver
Let's clarify the only relevant fact... individual business making a private decision. It's not like cigs were made illegal.
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
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ooooh, negative rep from L.O., again bringing up that one "little boys" comment (was it really worth mentioning it 3 different times??). I'm hurt. Ok, went and changed it so that it reflects a perfectly legal, though socially reprehensible act, happy?

:disgust1:
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
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I can't believe red meat is even considered in this conversation.
I'm backing out of this thread, but for me it's Wegman's telling you "no, you can't have that, it's bad for you." Don't know about you, but I buy LOTS of things that are bad for me when I go to the grocery store, and for some store to take it upon themselves to regulate the decisions that *I* get to make (at least in that store) because they've decided to act on behalf of my health/well-being. It's just that for most people here it's fine b/c it's a reprehensible product like tobacco. :plthumbsdown:
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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I'm backing out of this thread, but for me it's Wegman's telling you "no, you can't have that, it's bad for you." Don't know about you, but I buy LOTS of things that are bad for me when I go to the grocery store, and for some store to take it upon themselves to regulate the decisions that *I* get to make (at least in that store) because they've decided to act on behalf of my health/well-being. It's just that for most people here it's fine b/c it's a reprehensible product like tobacco. :plthumbsdown:
Shops and business change their product selection/distribution for much worse/dumber reasons.

Maybe we should also boycott big bike brands that restrict trade by preventing dealers from selling their wares mail order, who are they to hate freedom :busted:
 

SPINTECK

Turbo Monkey
Oct 16, 2005
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Let's clarify the only relevant fact... individual business making a private decision. It's not like cigs were made illegal.

That's the only point to be made here. Although I disagree with your increased support of that store due to the tobacco ban. The pharmacy/contraceptive issue is the same by definition of your above point. To me, freedom is freedom- you either have and APPRECIATE IT, or you let others systematically take it away.

As far as the health effects, I've heard the same arguements about bikers raising healthcare costs due to ER visits, hitting people/cars, and doing ecological damage- so again , freedom is freedom.

Just like that quote I always botch on this forum by B. Frankline,"those who seek freedom and security deserve neither."
 

SPINTECK

Turbo Monkey
Oct 16, 2005
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abc
Shops and business change their product selection/distribution for much worse/dumber reasons.

Maybe we should also boycott big bike brands that restrict trade by preventing dealers from selling their wares mail order, who are they to hate freedom :busted:
You do realize they would allow mail order dealers if the overall effect would increase their profit, but how can you price fix...... I mean provide value to the customer when the cheapest mail order guy wins;)
 

jdcamb

Tool Time!
Feb 17, 2002
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I had a fish fry from wegmans tonight. The fish was so fresh and awesome. Even the fries and coleslaw were great. Damn it was good! Seeing as how bad they are for you. I hope they don't stop selling them too.
 

bluebug32

Asshat
Jan 14, 2005
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Floating down the Hudson
I hate when I get stuck behind someone (last time it was a young girl with her kid climbing around under the cart) who's buying cigarettes in the checkout line. It takes forever as the apathetic cashier wanders off to find the key and unlock the case....:rolleyes:
 

Echo

crooked smile
Jul 10, 2002
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I'm backing out of this thread, but for me it's Wegman's telling you "no, you can't have that, it's bad for you." Don't know about you, but I buy LOTS of things that are bad for me when I go to the grocery store, and for some store to take it upon themselves to regulate the decisions that *I* get to make (at least in that store) because they've decided to act on behalf of my health/well-being. It's just that for most people here it's fine b/c it's a reprehensible product like tobacco. :plthumbsdown:
They didn't say "you can't have that". They said "we aren't going to sell that".
 

jcook90

Turbo Monkey
Mar 3, 2006
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Connecticut
Quite frankly most of Dante's comments made as much sense as everyone elses.

I was in a deli/minimart in New Jersey during a Diablo race weekend and this lady comes in with one of the most sick sounding coughs and is like "Marlboro lights" and the cashier asked if she should be buying them, and the lady blamed her cough on the air conditioning. I guess thats kinda like Wegmans, only it was more of advice.