"Participating ISPs include AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and Verizon"
full story...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401686,00.asp
full story...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401686,00.asp
ISP's to start monitoring users for illegal downloads
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I'll believe it when I see it. There's two major ISPs in our area, and i can't fathom either of them staying strong in the face every of a customer calling up and threatening to switch providers. Furthermore if they did follow through on it, it'd be easy enough to switch. Then if the 2nd pulled the same cap, it's back to the first under my wife's name. And at the end of the day the ISP is prohibited by law from sharing your Internet usage with anyone without a court order/warrant. About the only real screwed up thing is the ISPs snooping on everything you do...
encryption anyone?
Believe it. I've seen the warning letters that several people I know have been sent. They had details on what was downloaded, from where and when.
If you use torrents it's not a case of them knowing what you send. It's a very specific behaviour that even a blind man can see.
But I love how everyone still thinks MPAA is not for profit. Seriously they just need a normal business model. I have no problem with paying 50$/month for a service that will have all the movies I want legally. Unfortunately there is no such service in here. Though to be fair they wanted to ban video casettes, recorders, tv and every new invention.
Also this is very on topic - TED talk about MPAA stupid piracy cost claims:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=slashfilm mpaa ted&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http://www.slashfilm.com/ted-talk-rob-reid-investigates-mpaas-piracy-claims-copyright-math/&ei=Qs1lT_a6MKao4gTszaCQCA&usg=AFQjCNGEkGRdaJVq83qPzntyKkQhM-YMHQ&sig2=yXy4VVW2pgLL5iQvpqAC0w
It doesn't matter. Torrents are not illegal, and nobody can send you a letter telling you to stop torrenting.
this. torrenting is perfectly legal. a lot of linux distro iso's are shared this way.
also funny - apparently a substantial number of us gov't officials were storing files on megaupload
I know that but in here we have something like a "suspicion of crime" where the police can enter your house. I'm pretty sure constant, heavy torrent use may fall under that.
This isn't a legal issue. This is an agreement between the MPAA and the ISPs to cut off service if they find you violating this agreement repeatedly. The police are not involved.
In any event, though, in the US, suspicion of a crime has some pretty stringent guidelines around it, including reasonable evidence prior to engaging a suspect, and they are very limited in what they can actually do - searching your house isn't one of them.
I guess there are some laws that work better in the us. Though here it's legal to download movies and songs for "personal use".
I have to say I only skimmed over the article. It's even worse than I thought. What do really ISP's gain from that agreement?
Is it completely unreasonable for Brangelina to make $100-200,000/year and movies to cost a couple of dollars? $30 for 1.5 hours of blu-ray entertainment is a bit ridiculous.
I'm guessing the ISPs decided it for two reasons:
A) it was less paperwork/hassle than actually dealing with court-ordered enforcement, and
B) I suspect the major content distributors want to play nice with the MPAA as (legit) online distribution of movies continues to be a huge money-maker.
B)The thing is MPAA has no way to block ISPs from reaching future online distribution sites. They are not studios directly. They enforce their interests but it doesn't go ther other way and it's not in not in studios interest to block a large % of potential clients
A) The hassle is worth the clients. If what I hear from your side of the pond is right the major ISP are loosing PR wise big time. I wouldn't be surprised if a new big provider popped up with a more new internet friendly image. It's a niche.
It's not about reaching distribution sites, really. All of the ISPs involved are direct content distributors. New content deals are struck daily.
It's a little silly to say that the MPAA isn't a studio and thus won't move to block that which they view to be against their interests. The MPAA and studios work hand-in-hand - and they do things all the time which block large numbers of potential clients.
Maybe the hassle is worth the clients, maybe not. The particular clients involved are going to be the top bandwidth consumers anyway, and I read an article some months ago about just how intrusive this process was on the ISPs. They may find a backlash, but they obviously think it's worth the risk.
I will say, this whole thing has got me thinking about a decent VPN service. Obviously the VPN services could be monitoring what I'm doing, but it troubles me a little that the ISPs are taking on this policing service and monitoring traffic.
It's a little silly to say that the MPAA isn't a studio and thus won't move to block that which they view to be against their interests. The MPAA and studios work hand-in-hand - and they do things all the time which block large numbers of potential clients.
Maybe the hassle is worth the clients, maybe not. The particular clients involved are going to be the top bandwidth consumers anyway, and I read an article some months ago about just how intrusive this process was on the ISPs. They may find a backlash, but they obviously think it's worth the risk.
I will say, this whole thing has got me thinking about a decent VPN service. Obviously the VPN services could be monitoring what I'm doing, but it troubles me a little that the ISPs are taking on this policing service and monitoring traffic.
My brother has copped a couple of warnings but he's in the UK, pretty sure he was saying it's two strikes and it's time to find a new ISP, three strikes and you're in trouble.
I hope it happens, I hate people that expect everything to be $2 or free.
I hope it happens, I hate people that expect everything to be $2 or free.
I completely agree, but do you really like the idea that your ISP is just constantly monitoring and logging everything you do?
They are but the cake here are future VOD, DDL sites. Look how much trafic netflix generates. I've read somewhere it's up to 38% of net traffic at certain hours. That means netflix customers probably pay for higher net options = valuable customers to the ISPs. Studios now try to fight netflix and probably they will create an alternative and if they block a major ISP from their site it will be a big opportunity for Apple, Amazon or Google. I think they are all preparing their own offers. Of course the studios are in a comfortable position since they own the movies but if they **** it up they will end up with movie Itunes.
Also I know MPAA and studios work hand in hand but it's very uncoordinated.
I hate it when the industry ignores reality and waste resources on a non-problem:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/it-s-time-recording-industry-stop-blaming-piracy
We have a good example, The War on Drugs is a huge waste of money and so is this new campaign that ignores the reality of the situation.
http://www.care2.com/causes/now-we-know-decriminalization-does-cut-drug-use.html
I really don't care, Facebook got in trouble for their tracking cookie that was active after logging out and I wasn't aware of that until it was discussed on an Aussie radio station. I browse and type random crap on forums I really shouldn't have to worry if someone watches me, advertising companies can do it so why can't the ISP's?
My brother used to own a few pron sites and he spent quite a bit of time chasing people that stole his content and that sort of thing can never be stopped but I would love to see illegal downloading of songs/movies reduced a bit. I am a bit biased as my parents owned a video store that was hit pretty hard by trips to Bali/Illegal downloads etc.
I pay $80 month for my internet connection plus another $60 a month for access to content so I feel no guilt about d/loading whatever else I want. It wouldn't matter how much more I paid for content, it still wouldn't be enough. It's never enough. No matter how much I give, they want more. Well I cordially invite them to dine on the corn in my pooh.
somewhere there are germans whose mouths are watering at the thought......