as much as I hate those nuevo libertarian douchbags that write that show, I do appreciate that the song they used was pre van hagar
Israel/Palestine
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as much as I hate those nuevo libertarian douchbags that write that show, I do appreciate that the song they used was pre van hagar
The only way for Israel to save itself is to become a secular nation, for the protection, peace and human rights of all it's citizens.
It's not going to happen though and it's doomed to failure. The entire premise was illegitimate. My Dad is trying to claim "but that was their ancestral land". Sure, but they weren't living there when the state was created. Enough has happened since then that it's not a legitimate reason to just wipe everything away and start your own country. Egypt was also their "ancestral lands", so I guess they get to own that too? It was a religion, not a nation. Now it's both and basically, they fucked around...now they are finding out (as they have been ever since it was created).
It's not going to happen though and it's doomed to failure. The entire premise was illegitimate. My Dad is trying to claim "but that was their ancestral land". Sure, but they weren't living there when the state was created. Enough has happened since then that it's not a legitimate reason to just wipe everything away and start your own country. Egypt was also their "ancestral lands", so I guess they get to own that too? It was a religion, not a nation. Now it's both and basically, they fucked around...now they are finding out (as they have been ever since it was created).
You don't do a whole lot of speaking up against Hamas. When they say wave a flag you wave a flag. Dissenters as well as most opposition politicians were "eliminated" after they were elected and consolidated power. They keep the thumb on. You never know who is a spy so little gets said against them.
Some interesting reading
www.timesofisrael.com
Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of ‘something big’
Cairo official says Israel focused on West Bank instead of Gaza; Egypt's spy chief said to warn PM of 'terrible operation,' Netanyahu denies it
www.timesofisrael.com
Indeed.
Our USA (in our socioeconomic groups represented on the Monkey) are a dream, a fantasy, another world to billions upon billions.
Not downplaying by any means the deaths especially the children - all on both side are horrific.
Saying that so far there has not been any confirmation of the beheaded babies.
Either way, looks like neither side like babies.
Saying that so far there has not been any confirmation of the beheaded babies.
Either way, looks like neither side like babies.
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
www.timesofisrael.com
"For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state."
August
Israel should begin annexation of the West Bank “as soon as possible,” Eliyahu, a member of the ultra-nationalist Otzma Yehudit party, told Army Radio, declaring that “sovereignty should also be applied in the areas of Judea and Samaria” – the Biblical names for the area now known as the West Bank – and that the border between Israel and the territories, known as the Green Line, is “fictitious.”
Israel should begin annexation of the West Bank “as soon as possible,” Eliyahu, a member of the ultra-nationalist Otzma Yehudit party, told Army Radio, declaring that “sovereignty should also be applied in the areas of Judea and Samaria” – the Biblical names for the area now known as the West Bank – and that the border between Israel and the territories, known as the Green Line, is “fictitious.”
You added this later.
Is literally starving and cutting off water to people any better (and by people that includes babies, you already know the median age of palestinians)? And I'm talking about shit 5 years ago, not after this attack. If you want to paint hamas as the only monsters here you're being deliberately obtuse for the sake of an internet argument. It's like passing out smallpox blankets and then acting shocked at a scalping.
Just admit that you have no idea about Israeli secular politics regarding Palestine, and leave it at that.
Which toddler is more dead, the one decapitated or the one starved ?
Your first post that you just deleted was better.
I'm not going to play greater israeli academic with you because it's irrelevant. "secular israeli politics" is not what's controlling the impending genocide and it sure as fuck isn't relevant enough to stop it.
You should offer the same consolations to non-hamas supporting palestinians.
Shutting off Water, Food, Medicine and Electricity is considered a war crime as it is collective punishment. Israel has stated that all Gaza residents are Hamas. In Gaza 42.5% are 14 or under.
Do you have a website and a mailing list?
Because they seem a little scared to share their dream.
This ain’t ‘Israeli Acedemic’…this is dinner table conversation among my wife’s family when we are back east, and has been for twenty years (one of her sisters lives in Israel).
Hard Line Zionists can fuck off, Hamas can Fuck off…and…respectfully… (fill in the blank)
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And just to spice things up with another war crime...
Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
Israel’s use of white phosphorus in military operations in Gaza and Lebanon puts civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries, Human Rights Watch said today in releasing a question and answer document on white phosphorus.
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And just to spice things up with another war crime...
Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
Israel’s use of white phosphorus in military operations in Gaza and Lebanon puts civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries, Human Rights Watch said today in releasing a question and answer document on white phosphorus.www.hrw.org
"why don't these indians just share their novels with us so we can learn their culture? Don't they have any plays they can put on for us?"
Short BBC interview on the press coverage.
EXACTLY my point.
no this was
again, false equvalency.
one poulation has been stressed with the basics of survival, the other one not so much
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sounds like more your cup of tea than mine to be honest....
I am just gonna repost this fucking gem, bc it really sums up this situation and many others so well.
Seriously, Woo has been so fucking wound up and pissy about damned near everything lately that’s he barely tolerable, but take a second and read that again. Understand and acknowledge it, bc he’s so fucking right!
Remembering the firebombing of Hamburg by the allies...
and what we did in Vietnam and surrounding countries...
and Iraq...
what we have done and are doing to Cuba...
and...
and what we did in Vietnam and surrounding countries...
and Iraq...
what we have done and are doing to Cuba...
and...
You can make that same argument about all the Israeli's who are just fine with the land grabbing and shitty treatment of the Palestinians.
Neither side has any room to say they are better than the other. In this case, both side are terrible.
All bullshit from thinking magical sky beard man gave the land to "their" people.
Nobody wants to lose those votes though.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't israel have to spend 80% of the aid the U.S. gives them on U.S. made military weapons?
Fully agreed.
Those defense contractor CEO salaries aren't conjured out of thin air without the congressional "donations" coming back in multiples.
It is impossible to understand the situation without the perspective of generational existential threat, which is Israel was formed and survived under. And is often the case, they have extended that experience to the Palestinians. Israel is basically a country with high functioning PTSD, and Hamas with low functioning PTSD. With the rest of the world turning up the gain on that positive feedback loop using the situation for their own political purposes.
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I'll delete my hundreds and hundreds of posts gushingly praising the US and its military
Israel is acting like us because they have money like us. From us.
Hunh, I thought Biden and the radical left propped up Hamas, it's all so confusing. 
*knock knock knock*
"hey guys it's the spanish inquisition, we scheduled for 9? Hope we're not catching you at a bad time. Wouldn't want to show up unexpected"
@johnbryanpeters concurrent proxy war number two coming right up!
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