Israel's brilliant solution!
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why cant those pesky palestinians just give up already or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)?
LOL... I think that is the PRIMARY issue
Post of the day.
Are you sure they'd take it?
Not quite the same, but at least there would be gambling every where.
No, but we shouldn't build effin walls around their reservation and steal their water to grow cotton in the desert either.
They already take our jobs, I say give it to Pakistan.
maybe if they'd pick some place to build a reservation that wasnt so godforsaken, we could get around some of these issues. I swear to god...the white man can do no right
I'm sorry this is really a serious subject but Burly is ON today. I can't argue while laughing.
ha!
I was being totally sarcastic.
Native Americans have a far greater right to America than "Palestinians" do to the piece of land Israel sits on.
"Palestine" was a piece of land that occupies Israel, Jordan and the West Bank, so if Burly wants 'em to go home, then they can go to Jordan -- which occupies more of "Palestine" than Israel does. AND in 1949, Jordan offered all "Palestinians" to join them and create a new life. And Jordan is like 6-7x as big as Israel.
Lastly...
2 things need to be acknowledged:
there is no palestine
there are no palestinians
they are an enclave of syrians, lebanese, jordanians, egyptians, and other arab gypsies who have descended upon israel with bloodlust to exterminate the jews.
moreover, there are 2 kinds of arabs:
- arabian arabs
- arabized arabs conquered generations ago, which is still going on in israel
any questions?
ok, if palestinians don't exist, why do israelis? the country was carved out of existing territories in 1947, i believe, and before the whole Zionist movement started around the turn of the century the concept of "Israel" and "Israelis" was just that.
Just an amazing grasp of the situation he has. I am so proud to be an American when I hear folks say stuff like this....jdcamb
hey there fella, its called a 'joke'
Think there's a reason youre the ONLY ONE that didnt get it
genius.
Okay, hear is my understanding of the issue of "Palestine" from about 1915-16 on to 1948-9 when Lord Opie points out some Palestinan's were ready to leave.
The Arabs revolted against the Turks and as a part of the Mudros Armistice the Brits and French promise Arabs "the right of self-government."
Woodrow Wilson builds on this and pushes the "League of Nations" in 1919 Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations recognized the PROVISIONAL independence of the former Ottoman provinces.
While this was going on there was the British who put out the Balfour Declaration in 1917 stating that Palestine should be home to the Jewsih people. This document also stated "nothing should be done that may prejudice the civil and relgious rights of any non-Jewish communities in Palestine.
So then in 1919 we have the King-Crane commision which stated:
1. 90% of Palestines inhabitants were non-Jewish and and did not want a Jewish state.
2. The Zionests were going to displace the the non-Jewsih residents of Palestine.
3. That a Jewsih state in Palestine would violate the inhabitants of Palestine who were non-Jewish right to self determination.
Forward to the 1930's and you have the Passfield White Paper that shows that in-fact indiginous Palestinians are being displaced from lands they occupied for 100's of years.
1939 another British White Paper calls for Arab acquiescence for further immigration by the Jewish people after another 75000 immigrated and it was after 1944.
But then WWII happened and Hitler and all of the absoulte horror of the holocaust.
1948 The Deir Yassin massacare- 254 Palestinian women and children are killed. Half a million Palestinans flee. Zionists setlle the area and name the streets after Irgun units that did the dirty work of the massacare.
**edit my sources are primarily from a book called Arabs and Israel, for beginers and lecture notes from Larry Mosqueda Phd., a UW graduate and my professor in the fall of 2003.
The Arabs revolted against the Turks and as a part of the Mudros Armistice the Brits and French promise Arabs "the right of self-government."
Woodrow Wilson builds on this and pushes the "League of Nations" in 1919 Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations recognized the PROVISIONAL independence of the former Ottoman provinces.
While this was going on there was the British who put out the Balfour Declaration in 1917 stating that Palestine should be home to the Jewsih people. This document also stated "nothing should be done that may prejudice the civil and relgious rights of any non-Jewish communities in Palestine.
So then in 1919 we have the King-Crane commision which stated:
1. 90% of Palestines inhabitants were non-Jewish and and did not want a Jewish state.
2. The Zionests were going to displace the the non-Jewsih residents of Palestine.
3. That a Jewsih state in Palestine would violate the inhabitants of Palestine who were non-Jewish right to self determination.
Forward to the 1930's and you have the Passfield White Paper that shows that in-fact indiginous Palestinians are being displaced from lands they occupied for 100's of years.
1939 another British White Paper calls for Arab acquiescence for further immigration by the Jewish people after another 75000 immigrated and it was after 1944.
But then WWII happened and Hitler and all of the absoulte horror of the holocaust.
1948 The Deir Yassin massacare- 254 Palestinian women and children are killed. Half a million Palestinans flee. Zionists setlle the area and name the streets after Irgun units that did the dirty work of the massacare.
**edit my sources are primarily from a book called Arabs and Israel, for beginers and lecture notes from Larry Mosqueda Phd., a UW graduate and my professor in the fall of 2003.
Your opening question is a non-sequitur to me, but let me say this about palestine.
"Palestine" comes from the Hebrew (Semitic) word pelesheth, meaning "rolling" or migratory. (The root is pawlash, meaning to roll, or wallow. "Palestine" also means Philistine, or Philistia. Back in the day, the Philistines were on the south coast of Phoenicia; and ancient Phoenicia is lebanon.
Sweet... nice history lesson... something Ive always been curious about but too lazy to investigate (bless the
Still, BS's comment cracked me up
it's also an eponymy lesson, but now i'm just being snotty.
i wasn't arguing it, i was demonstrating it. And, it's quite relevant to understand the "palestinian's" fallacy in their argument that the jews must go 'cuz they are entitled to the land. Seems to me no-one gave 2 felafels about the land until the israelis started making it agriculturally viable.
getting back to your request to address umm's post:
he does not define what the boundaries are for "palestine". Furthermore
is at odds with:
so i'm curious: if Hamas - the political [read: military] wing of the PLO - is successful in chasing off the jews out of israel, where do they intend to go? Ft Meyers FL? And make no mistake, doing so is in their charter
I'm in no way saying that Israel shouldn't be. I'm pointing out that when Chaim Weizman said, "A country without people for people without a country" that there was infact people (Arabs) living there.
I'm also trying to establish that the Zionist movement has commited it's share of wrongs.
Note: I use "Zionist" to make clear this isn't about Jews. M'kay? I'm talking goverment policy, not about a religion.
This issue is far more complicated and despite the innocent Israeli citizens lifes who have been taken by murderous terrorists, the total body count is about one Isreali for every ten Arabs. So somewhere along the line the Isrealis have been murderous terroists too.
I'm also trying to establish that the Zionist movement has commited it's share of wrongs.
Note: I use "Zionist" to make clear this isn't about Jews. M'kay? I'm talking goverment policy, not about a religion.
This issue is far more complicated and despite the innocent Israeli citizens lifes who have been taken by murderous terrorists, the total body count is about one Isreali for every ten Arabs. So somewhere along the line the Isrealis have been murderous terroists too.
I'm very happy that some of you are taking the time to understand this complex subject cuz it sure sounded on page 1 that a few of you were anti-Israel and said somewhat hateful things.
yes, yes, I'm a jew, I'm probably overly sensitive on the subject.
But as a friend once said, "The war between 'Palestinians' and Israel won't end until Palestinian mothers love their child more than they hate Israel."
And yes, my first post was certainly sarcastic and probably spiteful, but I found the irony of the opportunity that Palestinians find themselves juxtaposed with their fear of turning on each other now that they might be losing a common enemy.
Lastly, as has been pointed out, the war isn't "Palestinians" vs Israel, but the Arab world vs Israel. Remember Iraq and Syria (even Iran) just two years ago making public statements about compensating (rewarding?) suicide bomber's families?
I sincerely feel bad for "Palestinians" because they are nothing but a pawn being used by the Arab world and the Arab world should be ashamed of themselves!
yes, yes, I'm a jew, I'm probably overly sensitive on the subject.
But as a friend once said, "The war between 'Palestinians' and Israel won't end until Palestinian mothers love their child more than they hate Israel."
And yes, my first post was certainly sarcastic and probably spiteful, but I found the irony of the opportunity that Palestinians find themselves juxtaposed with their fear of turning on each other now that they might be losing a common enemy.
Lastly, as has been pointed out, the war isn't "Palestinians" vs Israel, but the Arab world vs Israel. Remember Iraq and Syria (even Iran) just two years ago making public statements about compensating (rewarding?) suicide bomber's families?
I sincerely feel bad for "Palestinians" because they are nothing but a pawn being used by the Arab world and the Arab world should be ashamed of themselves!
I am sure Palestinian mother love their children more than they hate Israel. The problem is that Palestinians have no hope, their children can only see a future of poverty and opression. That is what force people into doing desperate things. And it of course does not help being used as a pawn in a global power struggle.
I work with a guy who is jewish.
He was telling me that they (jews) dont believe Jesus was the savior, but that he was just a prophet. If a prohpet said "I am the son of god" shouldnt that be the truth? Why do you not beleive jesus?
Or was he just making up that prophet stuff?
just to be clear, i AM anti-israel. i think their government does horrible things. however, i am also anti-plo, as they commit atrocities as well. whether it is israeli helicopters sending missiles flying through the air or palestinians blowing up busloads of israelis i think it is wrong.
in other words, i think neither side is in the right. and if that offends you, then tough luck.
also note that "anti-israel" is not to be equated with "anti-semitic" or "anti-jew" if "semitic" is too highbrow.
finally, i'd never seen the word "eponymy " before, cool.
i didn't catch this the first time.
i recognize israeli air-strikes as viable, as they target the militants (there really is no military behind terrorists), whereas palestinians target the easy pickens civilians.
are you meaning to include civilians?
Why is being anti-semitic so bad? It seems like such a fuss is raised anytime someone makes any kind of statement perceived as such. Yet at the same time, if someone is or anti-christian, anti-republican or even anti-boyscout or any arbitrary group for that matter, then nobody really seems to care.
Is it that jews have a better PR machine and are much more sensitive to negativity than these other groups or what?
Is it that jews have a better PR machine and are much more sensitive to negativity than these other groups or what?
You can choose to not be a Christian, a Republican, or an arbitrary group member.
You can't choose to not be Jewish.
The wisdom of David Cross again:
"Was your mother's vagina Jewish?" "Yes, yes it was. Fvck! Got me on a technicality."
Why can't you, it is just a religion. I was technically born a christian, but I would not consider myself one now. I can choose to become Jewish, so a Jew should be able to leave the group.
People talk like it is a race of people, but I have known Arabic Jews as well as Caucasian Jews.
give the palestinians the technology to target the israeli military brass and i'm sure they'd pick on them instead.
tenchiro, i think the problem lies in that many jews are ethnically different too. something about ashkenazim vs. sephardim? i am no authority. being just a goyim asian, ya know.
The problem isn't reasonable people like me and you. Try telling that to an Islamic cleric or a Nazi circa 1943 and you'll see where the problem comes in.
You're asking the wrong guy cuz I don't consider myself that knowledgable, but I will answer for me... I agree with you that it's illogical to say what your friend does. I'm not saying it's wrong, cuz I have no idea what the full context was. However, I do not believe Jesus was a prophet nor savior.
I think REM had a CD called that.Originally posted by Toshi
finally, i'd never seen the word "eponymy " before, cool.
so because people hate your group, you justify it to hate another? That makes a whole bunch of sense
But since I'm the token jew, I'll respond for me... are you saying I'm any of those anti-groups? Have you ever read a post by me where I beg people to not be partisan?
And yes, being anti-semetic bad, just as bad as being anti-anything else. Heck, how many times have you seen posters like Andy say this or that, eg. homosexuality, is bad/wrong? And while he hates the acts/actions/whatever, he doesn't hate the person/people.
And I think Stinkle pointed out the difference between Israel and "Palestine"... Israel does their best to target military interests, whereas those fvcking evil scumbag terrorists -- and I'm not refering to all Palestinians, just the evil terrorists -- target buses with children.
I am not saying that, what I mean is people get very defensive about anti-semitism. But at the same time if people dislike Christians or Hindus or you never see the same sort of reaction.Originally posted by LordOpie
so because people hate your group, you justify it to hate another? That makes a whole bunch of sense
But since I'm the token jew, I'll respond for me... are you saying I'm any of those anti-groups? Have you ever read a post by me where I beg people to not be partisan?
And yes, being anti-semetic bad, just as bad as being anti-anything else. Heck, how many times have you seen posters like Andy say this or that, eg. homosexuality, is bad/wrong? And while he hates the acts/actions/whatever, he doesn't hate the person/people.
Anytime there is a group formed around any type of ideology there may be other people that take an opposing position. Whether that ideology be religious, political or whatever. I just don't understand why such a fuss is made where Judaism is concerned (compared to any other group). I know as a mountain biker, certain groups are opposed to my form of recreation. I know as a more liberal member of society, that other people may take an opposing viewpoint. I understand that opinion and beleif I have, that there is someone out there with an opposite view.
I am not saying that these views should be used to propagate violence towards anyone. I just don't understand why such a fuss is made.
Yup, it's just jews and only jews.
Have you ever heard some black people say they can't be racist? What about when a white kid starts a white only scholarship? It's the jews who complain about it... I mean African-Americans.
So African-Americans and Jews are vocal about stamping out prejudice, get over it already.
So, in part, yes, it's the marketing machine of the larger minorities doing what they can to reduce the hate. Do you begrudge them for trying to stamp out the prejudice?
You can't really compare these things though because they are totally different issues. Nobody can change what race they, but members of a religion can opt out if they like.
Not that that makes everything ok, but when you make a choice to live your life a certain way. You need to be prepared to accept that people will not agree with you.