aren't they subject to the mandatory military service?
Israel's Crimes Against Humanity
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I don't think it's mandatory, I think they choose to serve. They are also in there own special units.
That's exactly what they do, wich Jew would they risk sending in there otherwise? Never mind the question. The fact is that it's the bedouins primary role in the Israeli military.
I can't remember now, if it's mandatory or not.
OT: Just finished watching the Golden Compass and I belive you two guys are going to love it. It's made out like a fantasy film but it really isn't.
This is cut from another forum where they're trying to establish the tactical and strategical aspect of both sides.
Another post confirming Swedish inteligence description of Qassam rockets resembeling more to home made fireworks than Katushya/MLRS rocket artillery.
Almost 4100 injured and +900 killed.
Looking at the amount of indescrimenate attacks against civilians, including the spreading of white phosphorus above civilian area city blocks to achive a mild Zyklon B effect, the lt.general's statement confirms claims done by the Palestinian side during these weeks.
Another post confirming Swedish inteligence description of Qassam rockets resembeling more to home made fireworks than Katushya/MLRS rocket artillery.
Almost 4100 injured and +900 killed.
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leavened bread? you are a true beast, with no time for love dr. mengele
I find a pinch of zionist is a nice way to temper the sweetness of challah.
If I remember correctly some sourdough bakerys in SF pipe the aromatic air onto the street to entice customers.
Were the streets laden with the scent of burning Zionists?
Were the streets laden with the scent of burning Zionists?
I found an article saying the Israelis planed the invasion during this past summer, and that the reason behind this crisis is......guess what.....
(onlinetranslation)
(onlinetranslation)
http://www.yelah.net/news/20090111185721
While one side is denying the other to arm it self at all, the other benefits the special friendship of the "world police".
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50560&hd=&size=1&l=e
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The by $tinkle much vaunted democracy of Israel, is excluding two out of three Palestinian parties in the Israeli parliament after an extreme-right party accused them for being anti zionist (Palestinians make out 20% of Israels population).
So what epithet does Israel sort under now, limited democracy, or extended dictatorship?
So what epithet does Israel sort under now, limited democracy, or extended dictatorship?
ok, i've been trying to find an unbiased source to tell me if indeed the idf is using white phosphorus. are they? the story at this link is suspect: http://www.imemc.org/article/58449, mostly due to this pic & its accompanied text:
Press TV Images of WP use in Gaza
can one tell by looking at the picture that it's WP?
are there varying degrees & uses of WP (lethal/non-lethal)?
is WP a violation of int'l law?
Press TV Images of WP use in Gaza
can one tell by looking at the picture that it's WP?
are there varying degrees & uses of WP (lethal/non-lethal)?
is WP a violation of int'l law?
AP has taken images of them using WP as well.
WP is supposed to be illegal, but there is a loophole when you use it as a smokescreen. White Phosphorus is some nasty stuff, you can find pictures of it's effects in the 2006 Lebanon war when Israel used it
The U.S. also used it in Iraq
WP is supposed to be illegal, but there is a loophole when you use it as a smokescreen. White Phosphorus is some nasty stuff, you can find pictures of it's effects in the 2006 Lebanon war when Israel used it
The U.S. also used it in Iraq
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Me peronsally I can't say beyond sertainty that it can't be anything else, but I'm not an expert even though I've used it my self. There's a possibility that it could be something, a granade, that I'm not familiar with. That's what WP looks like though.ok, i've been trying to find an unbiased source to tell me if indeed the idf is using white phosphorus. are they? the story at this link is suspect: http://www.imemc.org/article/58449, mostly due to this pic & its accompanied text:
Press TV Images of WP use in Gaza
can one tell by looking at the picture that it's WP?
are there varying degrees & uses of WP (lethal/non-lethal)?
is WP a violation of int'l law?
It's legal if used as a smokescreen, but I don't remember the exact formulation if used in populated areas but yeah, in an indiscriminate way, always, with exceptions it's allowed, that's how i remember it (could be wrong). However, there has been a weapons expert on site just out side of the walls looking at what's happening and according to him there's no doubt that the ones that are exploded up in the air are WP. The white clouds comming from the ground he couldn't say from the location he was at.
If one has some tactical knowledge on how WP is used it's retarded to claim that the ones exploding up in the air have any purpose but to rain down like napalm on the civilians. This type of action, to terrorise the civilians, if it had been an isolated occurance would have been different, but we've seen loads of exaples of that during these 18 days.
However, using WP on the ground is a whole other story, altough looking at how indiscriminately they're using it up in the air one could rightfully question if all use on ground is done in a legit way. Also, using WP during nighttime, up in the air or on the ground, when all Israelis have night goggles and the Palestinians don't is also pointless out of a tactical perspective.
I think that there's only one type of WP, no 'green version' in other words, due to its needed chemicals.
E: Reported now that it's not only Hamas that's fighting the agression but every faction that exists, including the Al-Quds Brigades of Islamic Jihad as well as Hamas' main rivals from Fatah.
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WP is completely legal under the geneva conventions if it is being used as an illumination round. It is incredibly illegal to use against targets however. It seems that they might be firing it just a bit too "close" to the enemies however.
Usually, if fired at the correct height, it will have burned out by the time it would reach the ground and is perfectly acceptable. If civilians are getting WP burns the Israelies are either targeting them, or the troops firing the artillery need to be re-educated on how to use it properly.
Just as an FYI, almost all militaries world wide, including all nato countries, use WP as illumination rounds (or for screening rounds as pointed out). The US used it extensively in Iraq and caused plenty of injuries from a few "misfired" round. Quite an effective excuse for a weapon that will strike terror into a population.
From what I have seen on various networks, you don't get the fires burning on the ground, although you do see secondary explosions. At first i thought they might have been using cluster rounds to take out soft targets but then again, I'm no military artillery specialist.
That said, apparently Israel used WP against military targets in Lebanon and claimed it was completely legal and basically told everyone to shut the hell up.
Edit: just saw some different photos, I retract my earlier statement about them not looking like WP. They do sort of have those long snaking arms coming away from them that you get with WP.
Usually, if fired at the correct height, it will have burned out by the time it would reach the ground and is perfectly acceptable. If civilians are getting WP burns the Israelies are either targeting them, or the troops firing the artillery need to be re-educated on how to use it properly.
Just as an FYI, almost all militaries world wide, including all nato countries, use WP as illumination rounds (or for screening rounds as pointed out). The US used it extensively in Iraq and caused plenty of injuries from a few "misfired" round. Quite an effective excuse for a weapon that will strike terror into a population.
From what I have seen on various networks, you don't get the fires burning on the ground, although you do see secondary explosions. At first i thought they might have been using cluster rounds to take out soft targets but then again, I'm no military artillery specialist.
That said, apparently Israel used WP against military targets in Lebanon and claimed it was completely legal and basically told everyone to shut the hell up.
Edit: just saw some different photos, I retract my earlier statement about them not looking like WP. They do sort of have those long snaking arms coming away from them that you get with WP.
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B'Tselem is reporting that it is actually white phosphorus
http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20090112_Use_of_White_Phosphorus.asp
http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20090112_Use_of_White_Phosphorus.asp
if nothing else, i would expect willyP to be used as countermeasures, but this wouldn't make sense if ground fire is unguided
on the topic of a cease-fire: [hamas pm] Haniyeh: We'll weigh truce initiatives
why do reporters conflate cease-fire with truce? isn't this more of a detente if it goes down?
on the topic of a cease-fire: [hamas pm] Haniyeh: We'll weigh truce initiatives
why do reporters conflate cease-fire with truce? isn't this more of a detente if it goes down?
ok, i know if i study this long enough, i should see ohio, samirol, & sanjuro
http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/
http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/
Israel has a policy that you cannot have a political party that calls for the destruction of Israel. They also broke up an extreme right wing Jewish party that believes that Israel should only exist once the messiah comes
That's pretty weak. Canada has the Bloc Quebecois in Parliament as a member of the opposition. They have a fair amount of seats and call for the separation of Quebec.
Not allowing citizen's voices to be heard will completely disenfranchise them and only make things worse.
Calling for a Palestinian state in the west bank and Gaza is legal. If the Bloc Quebecois were calling for the destruction of Canada and the creation of a French Canadian state in all of Canada it would be entirely different. Though very much undemocratic, and I do disagree with it, it is much more understandable when you look at the facts and not try and make comparisons that don't really work.
FYI - the removal of Quebec from Canada would indeed cause catastrophic effects. The economy would go away for one, as it accounts for about 35-40% of the economy with ontario another 40%. Canada has a good 30+ official political parties, including a couple looking for canada to be completely dissassembled.
The comparison works fine. The Israelies like to overreact.
Again, calling for the destruction of 1 country and the creation of another is very different from turning one country into 2. The Israeli economy is also much less dependent on Palestine than the Canadians are on Quebec.
You should read that again.
The creation of Quebec as a separate country would hurt Canada massively, and the Bloc Quebecois is a fairly successful party
And it is one among 30+ parties, more than a couple of whom want to see canada cease to exist as it currently does. They are all allowed to have a voice, as they are the voice of the people (to whatever degree of support they have behind them).
Disenfranchising the population is not the answer. If, hypothetically, 90% of Israel's population wanted to see Israel cease to exist, it would be atrocious for the government to try and do otherwise simply to keep themselves employed and in power.
I understand and acknowledge that, but Canada would still exist, under the parties being discussed Israel would not exist at all. VERY DIFFERENT. I don't see the similarity between calling for a part of a country to become another country and, one minority group of people in a country taking over and kicking out/ killing the majority (their words not mine) in order to create an entirely new country
He addressed that, there are parties that want what you are saying
Again if you would read my posts you would see that I agree with you that if Arab-Israelis (Arab-Israeli's not Palestinians these are Arabs who live in Israel proper who actually have the same rights as Israelis) want to destroy Israel and create a political party about it (so long as they no longer openly advocate genocide, if you are going to try and defend that then you truly are retarded) then so be it. All I am saying is you are comparing 2 totally different situations that don't work. All I am trying to do is point out the other side of the argument (and stating a disagree with it) to have an understanding of where both sides are coming from.
[suicide] bombs don't discriminate
Yeh, and in all democratic fairness, parties that want the destruction of Palestine are allowed, or is it even mandatory?
But that has no relevance as the above claim is false.
According to the journalist that took up this issue they were banned because they spoke out strongly against the agression, and when he interviewed Azmi Bishara, a former parlametarian, Bishara said more precisely because that they wanted to change the part of the constitution wich said "the state of the Jews" to "the state of its citizens".
He also added later in the interview that he though that "there is no dissent in Israel".
The Israelis are continously against the armament of Palestinians, and they've had total controll of their borders, therefore they have them selves dictated how and with what (lack of) weapons the Palestinians can fight with.
Also, they have to suffer the consequences of their own expansionist policies. Wishes for no reactions from the occupied side can only remain just that, wishes.