Back to the ignore list you go. You are so brainwashed, for lack of a better word, there is no point in even discussing anything with you.
You sir are full of ****, Israel has the best defensive tank on the planet, they also have some of the most advanced rifles on the planet. Not to mention the fact that intel does all kinda of military development in Israel, much of our high tech weaponry is being designed by American companies by Israeli designers.
and Israel was the name given to the name of it in the Torah, THOUSANDS of years before Rome had control of it. It was called Israel before Palestine sir, again you really need to not argue Israel and the bible with me, I am a good Jew and have read the Torah several times and have been to enough religious school to have a damn good understanding of the history of the region going back that far.
Fixed.
With what? That vibrant wine industry?
No no no no no no no the Torah is not to be taken literally, the Torah is a book with stories, and there are many lessons in those stories that teach you how to live your life as a good person. When bad people get ahold of these stories they interpret them how they please, thats when you run into problems.
They export a TON of weapons and tech to us and much of Europe. They are also a huge player in the small arms industry. Many Israeli brands do very well in Europe, and a few do very well here, teva sandals are made in Israel
I somewhat agree, but there is far less pan-Arabism than before. There is usually more support along Sunni/Shia lines in today's time, which is why you see states that aren't really Arab supporting Hezboollah.
Can you provide an article for this event?
That's a bit like a Native American group claiming that they have a claim to property because they have proof that they came from an area in Russia.
IIRC, Israel has a lot of tech industry as well.
I'll dig around and find one later, Most of what is coming up is more current
Agreed and there is a reason I refrain from going there, transcend seems to like to get into that kind of crap, but still can't seem to get it right.
Palestine is the name of a region, not a nation. That's like saying the Mediterranean has been around a hell of a lot longer than Italy. No ****.
Israel has a pretty tremendous tech and VC industry. You can argue all day about where it comes from, but the fact is, it's there.
Palestine was a subdivision of the British Mandate, much like Texas, California, etc.
I think he was referring to the massive amount of support that Israel gets and has gotten, and without top of the line brown people killing technology, it is possible that they wouldn't be around.
Just like Japan. I'm not an Israel supporter but you guys should do some research. Here:
Main export partners: US 38.4%
The Six-Day War could have gone much differently if Israel didn't have the aircraft from the West
Arab nations were also well armed back then (and supported). Tell me, why are you bashing only Israel? Your posts on other topics are usually well balanced.
The other Arab nations are ****ty, but the core problem lies with Israel. The other Arab nations aren't making Israel do what it is doing, it is Israel doing it.
You're right about this, Israel has proven it self a lot of times as a socialist nation before the US started backing it up during early 70's, and they have the industry and everything needed to survive, but they would probably not afford to uphold and continue their occupation to the same extent as today.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10456.htm
I have read what you say, you wan't to give part of the blame for the occupation on the Egypts and the other Arab nations, and I don't agree. The occupying power has to stand for its actions by it self, there's no getting around that.
BIG UP Monty!
It's not funny, and it's very sad that you don't understand the reason to it as it should be simple enough to grasp for anybody. All things left behind by the Jews were symbols of the occupation. Probably the most inhuman occupation in both suffering and endurance ever experianced by anybody. An occupation that was still going on on a greater part of their nation. An occupation that's a symbol of the Nackba 60 years ago. These things are not funny and their very actions actually say a lot about how severly they view it, because it's not like they weren't in need of that infrastructure...
In that sence yeah, but those terror organizations are also against the regimes in all those various Arab antions.
Oh but aren't we starting to see the light? Things are a least a little more promising now than in the past decade (hopefully).
They produce caustic soda.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html#Econ
While that IS hopeful, I can't imagine that we'll ever stop funding this wrongful occupation. We can't even stop funding our own.
fully agree about the lack of proportionality, but don't recognize its relevance. is there some law of armed conflict section outlining proportionality i missed in my u.s.a.f. mandated u.n. training?
will agree that israel is responsible for their actions, but will also recognize a strong case can be made they are defending themselves, as they have the sovereign right to do so
you mean when residents of gaza were turned away when they illegally crossed into their territory? you do realize it wasn't just women & children who broke into egypt, right?Samirol said:
ok, enough of this madness. does anyone even know what happened on nov 4th - which i believe is changleen's bday? isn't anyone here just the slightest bit curious?Samirol said:
wiki, fwiw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees#Treatment_in_Arab_countries
so in modernity palestinians are treated fairly/humanely largely by the arab world? beyond lip service, i mean.Samirol said:
The Israelis have produced their own APC, the tank Merkava, the Kfir fighter, and loads other stuff. The most important parts of todays weapons systems are the electronics and the Israelis are right up at the top in that department. They put their advanced stuff in any and all equipment that exist, either in their forces or just for sales to other nations, and make them into alot better than their original designs.
With the numbers already presented, partially in this thread and some in other recent threads, the US "aid" is far bigger than Swedens total defence spending (that after all is a bigger country with a larger population and an economy that's substantially bigger too). They could never "figure" out how to pay for all that by them selves for another 40 years without ending up like the Soviet Union.
C'mon, are you going to defend colonialism and let it rule in the days of today, and our future to boot? Like that stupid song, that sh*t is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
You as a Merican probably know that like few other.
I am referring to Hasidic Jews, while some are anti zionist and but Israeli flags most of them are scum. They live off the government and spend all their time popping out kids. They also hold a very disproportionate amount of power and are a leading cause of the Israelis oppressing Palestine.
Israel never wanted control of the area though, thats the thing. When Egypt had control of Gaza, they treated the Palestinians like **** (not nearly as bad as the Israelis but they treated them pretty bad) and Israel wanted nothing to do with Palestine in the first place. As far as Israel was concerned Palestine could freely exist as long as they didn't try and harm Israel. Israel got stuck with Palestine and did everything in it's power to let the Arab countries that be see to their affairs.
Get your **** together Montashu, you're comming out like a civil servant of the Ministry of Truth. :1984:
It's not funny, and it's very sad that you don't understand the reason to it as it should be simple enough to grasp for anybody. All things left behind by the Jews were symbols of the occupation. Probably the most inhuman occupation in both suffering and endurance ever experianced by anybody. An occupation that was still going on on a greater part of their nation. An occupation that's a symbol of the Nackba 60 years ago. These things are not funny and their very actions actually say a lot about how severly they view it, because it's not like they weren't in need of that infrastructure...
video's been pulled from the cnn page that previously hosted it:
but who is ashraf? why he's the GM for a pali media outfit, which also hosts websites. fair enough. but for whom?
