[Tenchiro]

http://conservativesagainstbush.com/

I found this site and read through it, the articles seem well written and make alot of sense. But I wish I could find a non-partisan webiste that compares both candidates without any poitical bias...

 

[BurlyShirley]

Just what is conservative about these people

It is time to recognize that the prohibition of drugs is a huge threat to U.S. national security, and that regardless of the social consequences, we must legalize drugs in order to pull the proverbial financial rug out from under all the transnational criminal, narcoterrorist, and terrorist organizations that benefit from drug prohibition.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Just what is conservative about these people

You're still thinking in two dimensions.

 

[jdcamb]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Just what is conservative about these people


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It is time to recognize that the prohibition of drugs is a huge threat to U.S. national security, and that regardless of the social consequences, we must legalize drugs in order to pull the proverbial financial rug out from under all the transnational criminal, narcoterrorist, and terrorist organizations that benefit from drug prohibition.
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Sound like realists to me... Gangs that sell drugs control most of the innercity nieghborhoods. Their terror tactics they use to control those nieghborhoods aren't probably anything you would concern yourself with.... Bu take the money they make selling drugs away from them and you take away the power they have. Its that simple. The billions upon billions that are spent on enforcement and the like could go to economic developement plans for those nieghborhoods.....jdcamb

 

[zod]

I'm conservative and I believe in the legalization of all drugs..........you don't always fall 100% on one side of the political fence.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by zod
I'm conservative and I believe in the legalization of all drugs..........you don't always fall 100% on one side of the political fence.

...except the drugs part.


Cripes, I think the only thing these "conservatives" agree with Bush on is the use of the death penalty. Of course, I am assuming that since I saw no reference to it on that website.

 

[N8 v2.0]

I think its a page set up by a person with the intent to feed misinformation to the websurfing masses.

Maybe it's a Michael Moore sponsored site.

 

[Tenchiro]

It is only a total of two or three guys that write articles for that site, I dn't find it hard to beleive that there are some conservatives that dislike bush. I don't agree with the whole legalization issue of druge en masse, but their reasoning behind it is interesting.

What I find the most refreshing is people thinking for themselves, and not just spouting the party line like some kind of parrot.

 

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by Tenchiro


What I find the most refreshing is people thinking for themselves, and not just spouting the party line like some kind of parrot.

Stop saying nasty things about n8, you know he's fragile.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by jdcamb
Sound like realists to me... Gangs that sell drugs control most of the innercity nieghborhoods. Their terror tactics they use to control those nieghborhoods aren't probably anything you would concern yourself with.... Bu take the money they make selling drugs away from them and you take away the power they have. Its that simple. The billions upon billions that are spent on enforcement and the like could go to economic developement plans for those nieghborhoods.....jdcamb

...and so you miss the entire point. Im no Bush "fan" myself in all honesty, but there are certain areas where being 'conservative' in my mind means more than doing what's economically right, and sticking to what I think is morally right. I dont think in dollar signs. Its not right in my mind, and in that of most conservatives to legalize drugs. The drug debate dont need to happen here, but just realize that there's nothing conservative at all about legalization.

 

[towelie]

I thought Conservatives believed the federal government should be involved in peoples lives as little as possible- that is why, Burly

You know, over the last 20 years, conservatives have been anything but.

Every Republican President since the early 80's has increased the national debt by $1T PER TERM. 2 terms for Reagan, 1 for Bush Sr., and now Bush Jr. will far outspend his predecessors. What is so conservative about that? It seems that democrats are the honest ones, with fiscal responsibility. They actually ADMIT they like to spend money, and they'll tax people to have the money to spend. Republicans say one thing and do another. They say they won't spend money, and cut taxes to prove it, but then they end up spending a fortune anyway and stealing money from future generations to make up the shortfall.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by towelie
It seems that democrats are the honest ones

Hey, you know...thanks for that. Im now going to vote democrat. All it took was a little convincing.
Whod've thought i had it wrong all this time

 

[slein]

BS, are you being facetious? or just dumbfounded? we know you're smart and make good opinions.

my point today (lemme see if i can actually make one) is that there is a price for freedom.

everyone has an idea, yet it seems no one ever has the right one. THAT'S CUZ PEEPLE THINK LIKE POLITICIANS AND IDEALISTS.





what they should be doing is thinking like an engineer...... it really is all about balance and optimisation.

balance the budget every day. if you don't have the dough, u don't leverage based on economics.

economics. that's one process no one seems to get right... yet i digress.

optimisation is tweaking the system, so that it works somewhat like expected. US$5T is a lot of dough. again... not my country. i think we're at... US$400B... again thanks to politicians.

YOU know that the rest of the world ain't on GWB's side. i'm reminded of the son of the king passage in the bible... i just hope it ain't true. if i was an american... i wouldn't even trust the democrats. yet for a republican opinion (ref website) that's fresh and well thought out, i would be willing to say that if the republican movement got rid of bush and did some critical thinking, they could stay in power.

watch what happens up here. we cut the cancer out for a fresh method on the way to do things. if it works... it could also work for YOU.

the BUSHes are trying to give us freedom from terrorism. but wait, wasn't it them that put some, if not many, tyrants in power? senior makes a mess, and junior tries and fails to clean it up? with the money they've spent you could've had freedom ten times over.

and, you'd still be fighting the drug war like its going out of style. decriminalise and regulate it... tax it even, and make money off of it. BRILLIANT. that's what an engineer would do...

in order to be free... get rid of the tyrannical operation of your government and foreign policy.

quite frankly, the rest of us have had enough.





post script: you weren't wrong.... just a little misguided

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by slein
BS, are you being facetious?

FerChrissakes No, I wasnt serious!

Anti-american sentiment is nothing new. Is it growing? Yes, Id say in some places it is. Hell, its growing even here in the US. Does the having the basic foundation of my way of life mean more to me than money? Yes, also. I'll vote for a democrat when one has opinions on issues that are similar to mine. Right now, GWB is the closest match that myself and half of the other voting americans, and easily more than half of the non-voting americans have. Its not about being "republican" .
Finally, you say the rest of the world is tired of our crap. Well that's good i guess. I mean, if we spent our first 200 years doing what the rest of the world wanted...we wouldnt be where we are today...which aint a half bad situation....which is what im interested in preserving.
For Towelie to say "democrats are more honest" or whatever hadto be something of a joke..thats why i joked back. Hell, everyone knows politicians on some level are crooked. I mean, you have to sell your soul to get the money to get there. Democrats and republicans and whatever else....who cares? Im going for the guy that I like.

 

[zod]

Originally posted by towelie
It seems that democrats are the honest ones...

"I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman."

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
FerChrissakes No, I wasnt serious!

He's canadian

 

[slein]

don't get me wrong. i like the US and love AMERICANS... almost as much as i love other peeplez of the world....

i just tend not to listen to them anymore. johnny depp was soooo right when he spoke of the US last year.

i also agree that most politicians - if not a significant amount - are crooked. there are those that are probably more honest, and NADER comes to mind.

anywho... my point was, and still is, you need to cut out the cancer... just like survivor.

the world is a good place, yet no one deserves any credit. there are still many other issues that could use a chunk of change. however, with a huge debt that YOU have, who is gonna come up with the dough? the US is runnin outta nickels to rub together... the poor and the sick can only be taxed so much... and all those off-shore bank accounts funding club med excursions.... evil decandence willl come back bite hard.

i ain't anti-american.... i'm anti-bad-decision-making when it comes to playing in my backyard... which happens to be yo cuntree. it is a two-way street, i know.

i digress with the notion that there is a bush agenda: clean up the bushie mess and get more energy. after that, maybe it might be kiss-n-make-up with the rest of the world... sometimes ya gotta be optimistic....

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by slein
i just tend not to listen to them anymore. johnny depp was soooo right when he spoke of the US last year.

didja ever notice whenever he opens his piehole he has to give a canine analogy? what up? oh, he's idiot #102 of many

Originally posted by slein
the poor and the sick can only be taxed so much...

we have by far the richest poor of any country in recorded history. Think about it: they're poor, yet they still have assets to be taxed. Not my def of poor.

Originally posted by slein
i digress with the notion that there is a bush agenda: clean up the bushie mess and get more energy. after that, maybe it might be kiss-n-make-up with the rest of the world... sometimes ya gotta be optimistic....

maybe when the rest of the world gets punkd like we did, then we'll re-evaluate. 'til then, they can all get bent.

 

[slein]

johnny depp may be an idiot. he's also rich, so people tend to listen to someone who's rich. of course he recounted what he said, cuz its still taboo to not poke fun as such to the US.

poor and assets: don't look at them for what they have (albeit not much)... look at what they don't have. we're not any better up here, that's for sure.

why'd you get punkd? i suppose u'r gonna say you didn't deserve it.....

again, i have no point.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle
what up? oh, he's idiot #102 of many

Ahh, not a partisan website by any means, eh?

Originally posted by $tinkle

we have by far the richest poor of any country in recorded history. Think about it: they're poor, yet they still have assets to be taxed. Not my def of poor.

So how rich are your poor, and how does that compare to the rest of the world? I assume you have researched your claim?

And just because you tax someone, that doesn't mean they can afford to be taxed...

Originally posted by $tinkle

maybe when the rest of the world gets punkd like we did, then we'll re-evaluate. 'til then, they can all get bent.

Quite a few bits of the rest of the world have been 'punkd' remember Bhopal?

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by slein

why'd you get punkd? i suppose u'r gonna say you didn't deserve it.....

No one deserves that.

There may be reasons but there are no justifications.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by fluff
So how rich are your poor, and how does that compare to the rest of the world? I assume you have researched your claim?

i know more about our poor, and that we're a buncha fat-ass cry-babies. Consider these treats from the last census (2002) released last year:

• Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
  Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher

now, perhaps i should have considered switzerland, with a far more strict immigration policy. Coincidence?

the US has by far the most spacious housing units, with 50 percent to 100 percent more square footage per capita than city dwellers in other industrialized nations. We also have the lowest stuntedness of growth for children under 5.


sources: NHANES III Survey, Census Bureau, UN Centre for Human Settlements and the World Bank, Heritage Foundation, The Housing Indicator Program, Vol II: Indicator Tables

Originally posted by fluff
Quite a few bits of the rest of the world have been 'punkd' remember Bhopal?

i honestly have never heard of that. Does it taste like goat cheese?

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i honestly have never heard of that. Does it taste like goat cheese?

Are you serious about never having heard of Bhopal?

The definition of poor needs some work I'd say.

If you#d like some more interesting stats on the US vs the rest of the world I'd be happy to oblige btw:devil:

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i know more about our poor, and that we're a buncha fat-ass cry-babies.

[*]The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

So they have more space than people living in some of the most densely populated and expensive cities in Europe? What does that prove?

There is nothing there to back up your claim to have the richest poor of any country.

As you say though, that's a wide definition of poor...

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by fluff
So they have more space than people living in some of the most densely populated and expensive cities in Europe? What does that prove?

well, let's see.
our poor have more space than the euro meta-poor.

Originally posted by fluff
There is nothing there to back up your claim to have the richest poor of any country.

As you say though, that's a wide definition of poor...

i can't believe we're debating on who's poorest. I s'pose this is an indicator of good newz?

i'm going to look up Bhopal for my homework assignment.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i'm going to look up Bhopal for my homework assignment.

I hadn't heard of it either......

From some sites 1st two off of MSN.com search of Bhopal (India)

The December 1984, Bhopal, India tragedy continues to be a source of anguish for Union Carbide employees. It was a tragic incident that killed many innocent people.

The legacy of those killed and injured is a chemical industry that adheres voluntarily to strict safety and environmental standards – working diligently to see that an incident of this nature never occurs again.

This year's appeal, marking the 19th anniversary of the gas disaster in Bhopal, is based on the stories of survivors, who somehow escaped the carnage of 3rd December 1984, only to find their lives devastated by continuing illness, made worse by the lack of proper medical care and a callous corporation which did, and continues to do, everything it can to obstruct justice and obscure truth.

From day one, Union Carbide has refused to hand over the medical information it holds about the gases that killed thousands and left more than a hundred thousand chronically ill. As survivors struggled to cope, the death factory dealt them a second blow.

Union Carbide left Bhopal without cleaning up its factory. Toxic chemicals abandoned on the site have leaked into the ground water and poisoned local drinking wells. Despite knowing the danger to local people, Union Carbide conspired for more than ten years to keep this knowledge secret. Carbide's new owner Dow Chemical has continued to demonstrate the utmost indifference to the plight of the victims. It refuses to clean the factory. It will not hand over the medical information.

When you know the facts you will understand why we carefully used the word "terror" to describe what Union Carbide and Dow have done in Bhopal.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle
well, let's see.
our poor have more space than the euro meta-poor.
i can't believe we're debating on who's poorest. I s'pose this is an indicator of good newz?

i'm going to look up Bhopal for my homework assignment.

Having lived in London (according to some sources the 2nd most expensive city in Europe) I know the cost of real estate. Poor people do not own property in London.

Rural poor in the UK will have more living space than your average Londoner for heaven's sake. Take a sparsely populated country like the US and it's obvious that the stats you quote will be true, they're skewed deliberately. They are comparing apples to plums to get a sensational sounding statistic.

I am a little shocked that you are unaware of Bhopal.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by fluff
I am a little shocked that you are unaware of Bhopal.

as soon as i saw Union Carbide, it all came back to me. Well, all that i understood as a heavily stoned teen anywho, which is to say, a soundbite.

after actually learning about it, yes, indeed, they got punk'd

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by $tinkle

after actually learning about it, yes, indeed, they got punk'd

I mean c'mon, after all Union Carbide did to bring an economy to the area...and this is the way the locals thank them:angry:

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I mean c'mon, after all Union Carbide did to bring an economy to the area...and this is the way the locals thank them:angry:

Maybe you should pay 'em a visit and enlighten them.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by fluff
Maybe you should pay 'em a visit and enlighten them.

Screw that!

I just watched 'Last of the Dogmen' and it appears indians can be mean until you at least get to know them.