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Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
Enough already with kid gloves

Purple is replacing red as the color of choice for teachers. Why, you may ask? It seems that educators worry that emphatic red corrections on a homework assignment or test can be stressful, demeaning — even "frightening" for a young person. The principal of Thaddeus Stevens Elementary in Pittsburgh advises teachers to use only "pleasant-feeling tones."
Major pen manufacturers appear to agree. Robert Silberman, vice president of marketing at Pilot Pen, says teachers "are trying to be positive and reinforcing rather than harsh." Michael Finn, a spokesperson for Paper Mate, approves: "This is a kinder, more gentle education system." Which color is best for children? Stephen Ahle, principal at Pacific Rim Elementary in Carlsbad, Calif., offers lavender "because it is a calming color."

A calmer, gentler grading color? Are schoolchildren really so upset by corrections in primary red? Why have teachers become so careful?

It seems that many adults today regard the children in their care as fragile hothouse flowers who require protection from even the remote possibility of frustration, disappointment or failure. The new solicitude goes far beyond blacklisting red pens. Many schools now discourage or prohibit competitive games such as tag or dodge ball. The rationale: too many hurt feelings. In May 2002, for example, the principal of Franklin Elementary School in Santa Monica, Calif., sent a newsletter to parents informing them that children could no longer play tag during the lunch recess. As she explained, "In this game, there is a 'victim' or 'It,' which creates a self-esteem issue."

Is anything OK?

Which games are deemed safe and self-affirming? The National PTA recommends a cooperative alternative to the fiercely competitive "tug of war" called "tug of peace." Some professionals in physical education advocate activities in which children compete only with themselves, such as juggling, unicycling, pogo sticking, and even "learning to ... manipulate wheelchairs with ease."

But juggling, too, poses risks.

A former member of The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports suggests using silken scarves rather than, say, uncooperative tennis balls that lead to frustration and anxiety. "Scarves," he points out, "are soft, non-threatening, and float down slowly."

Is the kind of overprotectiveness these educators counsel really such a bad thing? Sooner or later, children will face stressful situations, disappointments and threats to their self-esteem. Why not shield them from the inevitable as long as possible? The answer is that children need challenge, excitement and competition to flourish. To treat them as combustible bundles of frayed nerves does them no favors.

Anthony Pellegrini, a professor of early childhood education at the University of Minnesota, has done careful studies on playground dynamics. I asked him what he thought of the national movement against games such as tag and dodge ball: "It is ridiculous. Even squirrels play chase."

Children who are protected from frank criticism written in "harsh" colors are gravely shortchanged. In the global economy that awaits them, young Americans will be competing with other young people from all parts of the world whose teachers do not hesitate to use red pens. What is driving the new solicitude?

Too many educators, parents and camp counselors today are obsessed with boosting the self-esteem of the children in their care. These adults not only refrain from criticizing their young charges when they perform badly, they also take pains to praise them even when they've done nothing to deserve it.

But two decades of research have failed to show a significant connection between high self-esteem and achievement, kindness, or good personal relationships. Unmerited self-esteem, on the other hand, is known to be associated with antisocial behavior — even criminality. Nevertheless, most of our national institutions and organizations that deal with children remain fixated on self-esteem.

The Girl Scouts of America recently launched a major campaign "to address the problem of low self-esteem among 8- to 14-year-old girls." (Never mind that there is no good evidence these girls suffer a self-esteem deficit.) With the help of a $2.65 million grant from Unilever (a major corporation that owns products such as Lipton and Slim Fast), its new program, "Uniquely ME!," asks girls to contemplate their own "amazing" specialness. Girls are invited to make collages celebrating themselves. They can play a getting-to-know-me game called a "Me-O-Meter."

Uniquely ridiculous

One normally thinks of the Girl Scouts as an organization that fosters self-reliance and good citizenship. Me-O-Meters? How does that promote self-reliance? And is self-absorption necessarily good for young people?

Yes, say the mental health experts at Girl Scout Research Center. The Uniquely ME! pamphlet tells its young readers, "This booklet is designed to help boost your self-esteem by celebrating YOU and your uniqueness. ... Having high self-esteem ... can help you lead a more successful life."

The authors of Uniquely ME! and the executives at Unilever who funded it should take a careful look at an article in the January issue of Scientific American that debunks the self-esteem movement. ("Exploding the Self-Esteem Myth.") The authors, four prominent academic psychologists, conclude, "We have found little to indicate that indiscriminately promoting self-esteem in today's children or adults, just for being themselves, offers society any compensatory benefits beyond the seductive pleasure it brings to those engaged in the exercise."

The good intentions or dedication of the self-esteem educators and Scout leaders are not in question. But their common sense is. With few exceptions, the nation's children are mentally and emotionally sound. They relish the challenge of high expectations. They can cope with red pens, tug of war and dodge ball. They can handle being "It."
 

MtnbikeMike

Turbo Monkey
Mar 6, 2004
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The 909
My calculus teacher uses red to grade our exams. I marked mine up with his pen so much I cried, and now have to go to counseling.
 

Dartman

Old Bastard Mike
Feb 26, 2003
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Richmond, VA
My friend is working with our county school system to spend grant money to purchase a fleet of mountain bikes for high schools and 20" bmx type bikes for grade schools. He is also working on an intramural mtb racing program.

...there is hope for the next generation!
 

Sherpa

Basking in fail.
Jan 28, 2004
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MtnbikeMike said:
My calculus teacher uses red to grade our exams. I marked mine up with his pen so much I cried, and now have to go to counseling.
My trig teacher used tons of red when he gave my a 62 on my final.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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the article that DT cut and pasted without attribution said:
But two decades of research have failed to show a significant connection between high self-esteem and achievement, kindness, or good personal relationships. Unmerited self-esteem, on the other hand, is known to be associated with antisocial behavior — even criminality.
uh, sources? especially for that second sentence.
 

mack

Turbo Monkey
Feb 26, 2003
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Colorado
Soon they will become gay instead of streessed. Purople, yeah, really intimidating. Who is going to take a purple 67 seriosly?
 

yojimborace

Monkey
Oct 26, 2004
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SC
Bahahaha, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. I would really enjoy meeting a kid who is "frightened" by the color red.
 

Velocity Girl

whack-a-mole
Sep 12, 2001
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It's no wonder I don't want kids.....there are definitely other reasons, but dealing with all this crap is one of them. Do people really think that when kids get out into the real world and get jobs they are going to have bosses who coddle them and pat them on the head and say "that's ok that you blew the big deal Johnny and cost the company millions of dollars, as long as you still feel good about yourself that's all that matters" :rolleyes:
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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i still want to see a source for this article and its supposed research/literature review. i have a strong feeling that it's totally fabricated.
 

kinghami3

Future Turbo Monkey
Jun 1, 2004
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Ballard 4 life.
I've always wondered why Columbine happened, but i guess we have the answer now... red markers. Any excuse not to blame the parents, honestly I don't know where common sense has gone.
 

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
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wine country
This is what screws up kids-not video games, movies, porn. If they don't face any stress, anything negative - Imagine how they will grow up to be. WHat is this world coming to? In the game tony hawks pro skater, when you crash, there is some blood on the ground for 2 seconds. That is why it is rated teen. What do they think comes out when they fall. Next, these kind of dumb asses will have to cover kids eyes so they don't see their own blood. Red is like my favorite color. I have known that I failed stuff in red, BFD. I thought girl scouts were about learning various skills.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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peter6061

Turbo Monkey
Nov 19, 2001
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Isn't that what the red pen is for? It's supposed to draw your attention to it and make you think, "Damn, I fvcked up, I better study next time." C'mon, when you get 100% on an exam they write it in the same red and it's a completely positive thing. Does purple start when you score below a certain percentage?

This kind of thing including the limitations on certain sports is exactly what caused a bunch of us here in the office to set up a summer employee league that play ONLY games that are becoming restricted that we played as kids. Should start up in a couple weeks. I can't wait to get some pain on with the dodgeball, pick someone last for kickball, or tag someone with the tennis ball playing wall ball.

This next generation of kids are going to be soft, and they're going to pay for it when they get into the real world.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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stevew said:
Christinia Hoff Sommers is the author.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050601/cm_usatoday/enoughalreadywithkidgloves;_ylt=AmcWQQ5uILqunkqcQUkrLab6B2YD;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

From USA Today yesterday.

I found stories regarding this from 2004 in the Boston Globe
thanks for digging that up. and i stand by my claim that the following passage is PURE BS:
CHS said:
But two decades of research have failed to show a significant connection between high self-esteem and achievement, kindness, or good personal relationships. Unmerited self-esteem, on the other hand, is known to be associated with antisocial behavior — even criminality.
her two published books are subject to widespread criticism that they "not present a shred of credible supporting evidence but rather advances her position by assertion and abstract argumentation." (from Washington Post review of her book The War Against Boys)

it's through such generalizations and handwavy "it sounds like it could be right and she speaks with such confidence" arguments that the conservative movement makes their mark. also see the whole "intelligent design" business for more of the same tactics.

am i trying to smear the author? no, but i think her work is bunk: she has shown a consistent pattern of making assertions in print that are not supported by evidence, and of ignoring evidence counter to her position. (if you look at the linked page http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/hoffsommers.htm you'll see that reviews from a variety of sources over a span of nearly a decade all come to the same conclusion.)
 

TreeSaw

Mama Monkey
Oct 30, 2003
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Toshi said:
i still want to see a source for this article and its supposed research/literature review. i have a strong feeling that it's totally fabricated.
Actually it's not fabricated. I'm a teacher and during our 1st meetings of the year, we were asked to curb our use of red pens. Apparently students are gaining an affliction to the color red and increased anxiety. :rolleyes: We were also told that we shouldn't be marking the number wrong on the top of the page (i.e. -2). Instead, we should be marking the number right (i.e. +8). The district handed out a bunch of articles from NYS Ed. to this affect. Sometimes it makes me wonder, why did I become a teacher? :think:
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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TreeSaw said:
Actually it's not fabricated. I'm a teacher and during our 1st meetings of the year, we were asked to curb our use of red pens. Apparently students are gaining an affliction to the color red and increased anxiety. :rolleyes: We were also told that we shouldn't be marking the number wrong on the top of the page (i.e. -2). Instead, we should be marking the number right (i.e. +8). The district handed out a bunch of articles from NYS Ed. to this affect. Sometimes it makes me wonder, why did I become a teacher? :think:
ok, so red -> purple is a reality. but this? "Unmerited self-esteem, on the other hand, is known to be associated with antisocial behavior — even criminality."
 

TreeSaw

Mama Monkey
Oct 30, 2003
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Dancin' over rocks n' roots!
Toshi said:
ok, so red -> purple is a reality. but this? "Unmerited self-esteem, on the other hand, is known to be associated with antisocial behavior — even criminality."
Your guess is as good as mine. I would like to see the sources of that as well. I work in an inner city school and we're always told to look for any possibly way to build up the kids self esteem to keep them going down the wrong path and getting into trouble. :rolleyes:

Really, I think the whole thing is a load of BS, but what do I know.
 

yonton228

Turbo Monkey
Mar 7, 2005
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So basically they want teachers to reward students for being incorrect. If you get something wrong it should be obvious outright. When I was in school and turned in a paper I wanted to see red marks on it. It showed me where I needed to focus my efforts and it help me learn from it.
 

beestiboy

Monkey
May 21, 2005
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WOW wtf is going on. My wife is 4 months prego and now I am scared Sh#tless for the baby's future. I went to catholic school until High School Yeah the nuns and everything. Red marks were a sign that you were screwing up. You only had two good red marks 100% or A+ thats it. Parents are dropping the ball so bad that now educators (and I use that term loosely) feel they need to do the parents job. How about teaching these dumba$$es how to read and write maybe a little math so eventually 10-15% can become scientists and engineers. I dont mean to offend teachers but I am sorry Arnold has it right no!! tenure for anyone even when you have a proven track record. In the teachers defense It is ridiculous to assume that they can perform their jobs in a reasonable manner when kids are allowed to behave like they do everyday in the classroom.

Bring back Mrs Zambrano's wooden paddle (you know the one with the holes in it) Crack their a$$es every once in a while and maybe in 3 to 5 years we could have a bit more decorum and civility in the classroom.

sorry im done ranting now

back to your regularly scheduled program
 

Clark Kent

Monkey
Oct 1, 2001
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Mpls
What kind of news paper or "monitor" does one find articles such as these? Our kids getting too soft is the last thing I am going to worry about... As far as soft goes, I never had even an inkling of the thought that I might get popped by some insane kid at school, or any of the other things that kids these days are dealing with that we never had to.... There are some crazy instances of this kind of "soft" in the world, but for the most part, I cant really see it as being an issue in development... But its not surprising thatit is going on in some areas... I mean, look at the whole "intelligent designer" crap some kids are gett'n shoveled onto them.....
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
They should use a non threatening color when grading students papers. Just beat them with a cane for every mistake they make.
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
4,015
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Between a rock and a hard place.
My frickin hippie aunt used to work for the CA Board of Education. She was one of the crackpots that tried to take GRADES ( A, B, C, D, F ) out of student evaluations in grades k-6. Thank god that didn't go through.

Other crackpot plans that her board suggested:
No keeping score in little league or youth soccer.