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ridetoofast

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http://www.rense.com/general63/dur.htm

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/5056.html

Feminism and controversy surged throughout campus on March 10. Black and white flyers depicted a drawing of a woman grasping onto a hammer with "FEMINISM" on the handle. In the middle of the female symbol fists were clenched and space above the woman read: "If I had a hammer...I'd SMASH Patriarchy." A bubble by her face said, "I FOUND IT!"

UNH students found it, too.

Approximately 40 people attended the Patriarchy Slam organized by the Feminist Action League (FAL). ..The event, featuring poetry readings, skits, monologues and an open microphone, was designed to give women a space to share their experiences of oppression in a comfortable setting, Megan Smith, a member of the FAL, said.

"[The event was designed to] encourage women to confront the perpetrators who are men," Smith said. "Ninety-nine percent of sexual perpetrators are men. They are the root cause of the rape and oppression against women."

The FAL's hatred of the patriarchy, a male-ruled society, was decoratively affirmed with 10 hanging balloons, each displaying a letter of the word "patriarchy." Each was dramatically popped throughout the event, symbolizing the eradication of the patriarchy.

"This is a place where women can feel empowered," Smith said. "There aren't many places in the world where women can speak out against those who have oppressed us, beat us and raped us."

The name of the event mimics the aggression that men exert, Smith said.

"'Slam' is an aggressive word, but slamming is the classic way men respond," she said. "They feel threatened and shape it as hate. It's an aggressive word, but it shouldn't get in the way of our message."

...Monologues by members of the FAL poked fun at feminist stereotypes and set the tone of an evening of sarcasm and wit.

"Hello, my name is Mary Man-Hating-Is-Fun," one participant said. "I am 23 years old, and I am what a feminist looks like. Ever since I learned to embrace my feminist nature, I found great joy in threatening men's lives, flicking off frat brothers and plotting the patriarchy's death. I hate men because they are men, because I see them for what they are: misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world with war, abuse, oppression and rape."

Members of the FAL wore scissors around their necks, as members of the audience lightheartedly sang a song about castration.

One woman told tales of five of her friends who have been raped, one, tragically, by a stepfather. Another talked about being ridiculed for her virginity, another of being discriminated against for a lesbian relationship, and another of witnessing her mother's boyfriend sexually abuse her.

Others spoke of oppression and sexual assault here on campus. Through passionate and at times tear-choked words, the MUB became a sexist battle zone at lunch hour, and bulletin boards in dorms became canvasses for chauvinistic, offensive graffiti.

The issue of men's entitlement to women's bodies for sexual pleasure was raised by one woman. She claimed that she's been told by men that dancing provocatively at clubs is "just asking" for rape.

"Why does my dancing have to be about pleasing them? Why can't it just be about me?" she asked.

Women's magazines were also targeted as FAL members denounced the sex expert of a popular publication. The experts, they said, encourage women to give in to men's sexual fantasies, even if they don't feel comfortable or even have a medical condition that would make the acts painful.

"Thanks for reminding me that the purpose of sex is male pleasure and entitlement!" one FAL member sarcastically exclaimed.

"This is what women get for advice when they don't like it or feel uncomfortable or have an illness! This is rape!" Smith stated.

The connection between rape and pornography was also explored.

Whitney Williams read quotes from pornography sites, one of which described giving women vodka and then having sex with them.

"What does it sound like? Rape!" she exclaimed.

"We're told porn is sexually arousing to women, but porn looks a lot like rape to us," Smith said. "It's encouraging a rape culture."

A skit about a controversial Socratic Society meeting asserted that women who watch pornography are traitors to women.

"Women who use porn are being complicit in the oppression of women," one woman said. "They are legitimizing an industry that enslaves women and they are traitors to their gender."

But not every woman in the audience agreed.

One woman walked onto the stage and nervously stated that she'd been contemplating speaking for a long time. ..."I like porn. And guess what? I've been raped," she said. "I'm not a gender traitor. I take control of my sexuality, and rape isn't always as clearly cut as we think. Some women like sex. You're fighting yourself if you turn on women who like porn."

The woman walked out of the room and left a stunned and silent audience behind.

A member of the FAL then spoke in rebuttal, stating, "If you like porn, you're ignoring the fact that many women are sexually trafficked into this industry." She continued that 30 percent of all pornography is made against the women's will and that 75 percent of women were raped or sexually abused before they were porn stars.

But just as the FAL is infuriated with our society's obsession with pornography, some people, like David Huffman, a contributor for UNH's conservative publication "Common Sense," were offended by the event's messages. Huffman also was the only audience member who was asked to leave during open microphone. The reason: women would feel uncomfortable with him there, members of the FAL said.

"It was advertised as a public event, nowhere did the posters say 'Women Only,'" Huffman said. "They excluded me from a public event based upon my gender. There were a few other men there who were allowed to stay, but I was singled out in particular. Excluding one person from a public event is almost impossible to justify unless they are disruptive, which I was not. This is discrimination."

"[This] was an evening of man hating. This is no different than any other extremist organization that...promotes stereotypes," Huffman said.

He found the subject of castration particularly offensive.

"The poems that talked about castrating men were threatening, along with the scissors the girls wore around their necks," he said. "Ms. Smith read a poem where she said that she was proud to hate men. How is this any different than hating African-Americans or Jews?

"What I heard last night was not feminism; it was a hate rally," he continued. "I went there with an open mind, thinking the patriarchy was only that group of sexist, chauvinists that discriminate against women. Ms. Smith said that all men are the enemy. This is clear cut sexism and blind hatred."

But Rob Wolff, a member of the Men Against Patriarchy, an organization that is considered an ally to the FAL, thinks that the event's messages were justified.

"Women have to face threats from men everyday all their lives in subtle and obvious ways," Wolff said. "I hope men are confronted. That's what it's going to take. Events like this are the beginning of a women's revolution."

And this women's revolution, he argued, is not initiated by a sexist organization.

"That view is fundamentally misguided," Wolff said. "Sexism is a weapon against the chronically disempowered. Men are empowered by society and anyone who claims the FAL is sexist is missing the point."

Although Huffman may have been outnumbered at the Patriarchy Slam, he certainly isn't alone on campus: Williams' columns have sparked a flood of angry op-ed responses, showing that the members of the FAL aren't the only ones on campus using words to slam.


if the word men was exchanged for women, blacks, jews, muslims, etc...can you imagine the outrage???

what do y'all :monkey:'s think???
 

biggins

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May 18, 2003
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dude why in the hell did you post this? this crap pisses me off to no end. especially all the references to porn. porn is a huge indusrty and no one makes women have sex for money.the only people they are degrading is them selves.

also on another note if women are fighting for equality so much then why the hell do seperate laws apply when you hit a woman?you dont see the feminazis fighting that law do ya?arrrrrgh this crap pisses me off so bad. i mean dont get me wrong there are injustices in the workplace and the nuclear family that need to be addressed but it is almost to the point of ridiculous. my night was going so well until i opened this friggin thread.
 

sanjuro

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biggins said:
dude why in the hell did you post this? this crap pisses me off to no end. especially all the references to porn. porn is a huge indusrty and no one makes women have sex for money.the only people they are degrading is them selves.

also on another note if women are fighting for equality so much then why the hell do seperate laws apply when you hit a woman?you dont see the feminazis fighting that law do ya?arrrrrgh this crap pisses me off so bad. i mean dont get me wrong there are injustices in the workplace and the nuclear family that need to be addressed but it is almost to the point of ridiculous. my night was going so well until i opened this friggin thread.
Why? Because it is funny.

Any good idea taken to the extreme (particularily in large groups) is hilarious. I can't take any of this seriously, like the scissors on a necklace.

P.S. I haven't heard about the separate laws for assault, but more women get beaten by their husbands than the other way around.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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biggins said:
why the hell do seperate laws apply when you hit a woman?
Why the hell are you hitting women?

I don't believe there ARE seperate laws. There may be additional ones, as some types of assault only really occur in one direction. Anyway, even if there are, does it bother you because you feel threatened? Did a women beat you up? How does it effect your day to day life, or impede on your liberties? Are you of the opinion that men should be punished less, or that women should be punished more than they currently are?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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biggins said:
the only people they are degrading is them selves.
uh, I'm not against porn, but you might want to spend some time learning what degradation is.
 

pnj

Turbo Monkey till the fat lady sings
Aug 14, 2002
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biggins said:
.....no one makes women have sex for money...
I dissagree. not all the girls in porn movies/pictures are doing it on their own free will. that's not to say that they have a gun to their head, but PLENTY of them wouldn't be doing it if someone else wasn't pushing them to do so.

how many 18 year old dirty slutty strippers have you know?

:oink:
 

schweino1

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Dec 6, 2004
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so, any issue or document related to this asotiation "FAL" must be called:

FALIC...?

interesting...
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Interesting to note that only men have posted in this thread. I actually half expected a woman to have started it...
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
ohio said:
Why the hell are you hitting women?

I don't believe there ARE seperate laws. There may be additional ones, as some types of assault only really occur in one direction. Anyway, even if there are, does it bother you because you feel threatened? Did a women beat you up? How does it effect your day to day life, or impede on your liberties? Are you of the opinion that men should be punished less, or that women should be punished more than they currently are?
There absolutely are seperate laws in some states. Call them "hate crime legislation" or whatever, but what it is, is unequal protection under the law. An assault is an assault at the end of the day and regardless of the motivation for it, the end result is some a-hole kicked someone eleses butt. Does the sexual proclivitiy or gender of the participants really matter?

Examples:

You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with me. Simple assault.
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with your GF/wife. Domestic Abuse.
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with a gay man. Hate crime.

The end result in all three cases is the same, yet in all three cases the victims have different protection under the law. The crimes will be tried differently, the sentances will be different. If you kick my butt, IMO you should get the same punishment as you would if you kick a woman's or a gay mans. The crime is the same, should not the punishment?
Im not saying that the protection of minorities is not great enough, it may still be too small. What Im saying is that the protection should be the same for all.
 

sanjuro

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Damn True said:
There absolutely are seperate laws in some states. Call them "hate crime legislation" or whatever, but what it is, is unequal protection under the law. An assault is an assault at the end of the day and regardless of the motivation for it, the end result is some a-hole kicked someone eleses butt. Does the sexual proclivitiy or gender of the participants really matter?

Examples:

You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with me. Simple assault.
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with your GF/wife. Domestic Abuse.
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with a gay man. Hate crime.

The end result in all three cases is the same, yet in all three cases the victims have different protection under the law. The crimes will be tried differently, the sentances will be different. If you kick my butt, IMO you should get the same punishment as you would if you kick a woman's or a gay mans. The crime is the same, should not the punishment?
Im not saying that the protection of minorities is not great enough, it may still be too small. What Im saying is that the protection should be the same for all.
You almost got it right.

If you got into a fight with a gay because he/she was gay, that is considered a hate crime.

If you got into a fight with your gf/wife as part of a pattern of violence, that is considered abuse.

If you get into a fight with another person for whatever reason, it is just a simple assault.

And don't forget, you don't see hate crimes or female abuse occur on equal footing. It is usually a stronger group or individual vs. a much weaker one.

This story happened last year, and it made me sick when these guys got off on a mistrial because of "shock": www.katv.com/news/stories/0604/154736.html
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Jr_Bullit said:
Interesting to note that only men have posted in this thread.
That holds true for most threads in this forum, it's not that remarkable. It also ceased to be the case once you posted...
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Damn True said:
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with me. Simple assault.
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with your GF/wife. Domestic Abuse.
You get drunk in a bar and get in a fight with a gay man. Hate crime.
The end result may be the same but that does not make the crime the same. The first and last are pretty much the same but the fact that you are in a relationship in the second one makes it different because there is an existing trust-based position of power that has been abused and there may be an ongoing relationship that leads to further abuse. It also tends to be a pattern, but that is an entirely different subject.

I do get where you are going with this, however, and I'm always a little bemused when people tell their kids 'You shouldn't hit a girl/woman'. That imlpies that it's OK to hit a boy/man. Why not simply tell them that it's wrong to hit anyone? (unless you really, really want to..)
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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fluff said:
That holds true for most threads in this forum, it's not that remarkable. It also ceased to be the case once you posted...
:D quite true....

I don't have a lot to offer on the subject...in regards to the hitting/beating/abusing of people, I can understand the desire to make punishment it equal, but I believe that beating up on someone smaller/weaker/fewer in number that the punishment should be worse than if it was a mutual fight between two "equals".

I also think that most feminists are so busy "putting the man down" that they forget about all the good things that come with being a woman.

Equal rights/equal opportunities yes, but special treatment...no.
 

RhinofromWA

Brevity R Us
Aug 16, 2001
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fluff said:
I do get where you are going with this, however, and I'm always a little bemused when people tell their kids 'You shouldn't hit a girl/woman'. That imlpies that it's OK to hit a boy/man. Why not simply tell them that it's wrong to hit anyone? (unless you really, really want to..)
My momma told me.......:rolleyes: true story.

"you shouldn't hit a girl, BUT if they hit you they should expect to be hit back." What I took from that? Hitting was not OK no matter who you are, but if you did hit you best expect to be hit back.

Side story: Old buddy whos mouth often gets him into trouble had a Psycho ex-GF. As an outside party I can verify she was crazy. :) Well their "relationship" was always kinda rocky, but apperantly my buddy went to far. His GF was actually larger than him in physical stature (not fat but BIGGER) and proceeded to lay into him. He called the cops and they showed up to find him sitting on the front steps waiting for them. They looked at him (tore clothes, scratches bruises forming, etc) and then found her in the living room mussed but just angry. They looked at him then looked back at her and she said he hit her. My buddy can be a dick, but as far as him hitting someone else he is the biggest chicken **** and from the look of his bedroom he got tossed around by her....He was run off to jail.

Just stupid. He was guilty of being a dick, and she was guilty of assault. Equal protection? No way. It was his house....she got to stay there, while he was hauled off in handcuffs.
 

$tinkle

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valve bouncer said:
Changleen said:
I wish Burly were here.
This thread is crying out for that quitter.
let's see if i can channel Burly's wisdom for us...
ridetoofast said:
"[The event was designed to] encourage women to confront the perpetrators who are men," Smith said. "Ninety-nine percent of sexual perpetrators are men. They are the root cause of the rape and oppression against women."
i wonder how much anni difranco CD sales spiked that day.
ridetoofast said:
The FAL's hatred of the patriarchy, a male-ruled society, was decoratively affirmed with 10 hanging balloons, each displaying a letter of the word "patriarchy." Each was dramatically popped throughout the event, symbolizing the eradication of the patriarchy.
with what - a sharpened dildo?
ridetoofast said:
"This is a place where women can feel empowered," Smith said. "There aren't many places in the world where women can speak out against those who have oppressed us, beat us and raped us."
which pretty much begs the question of why aren't they taking this freakshow to the middle east.
ridetoofast said:
"Hello, my name is Mary Man-Hating-Is-Fun," one participant said. "I am 23 years old, and I am what a feminist looks like. Ever since I learned to embrace my feminist nature, I found great joy in threatening men's lives, flicking off frat brothers and plotting the patriarchy's death. I hate men because they are men, because I see them for what they are: misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world with war, abuse, oppression and rape."
couldn't have said it better myself.
now go make me some pie, b|tch
ridetoofast said:
One woman told tales of five of her friends who have been raped, one, tragically, by a stepfather.
(she was hoping for her stepmother)
ridetoofast said:
Another talked...of witnessing her mother's boyfriend sexually abuse her.
translation: "she likes to watch"
ridetoofast said:
Through passionate and at times tear-choked words,
i guess that's better than being choked by your stepfather's loins
ridetoofast said:
"Why does my dancing have to be about pleasing them? Why can't it just be about me?" she asked.
trust me: no one is getting aroused watching you.
ridetoofast said:
Women's magazines were also targeted as FAL members denounced the sex expert of a popular publication. The experts, they said, encourage women to give in to men's sexual fantasies, even if they don't feel comfortable or even have a medical condition that would make the acts painful.
i didn't know having an anus was a "medical condition"
ridetoofast said:
"Thanks for reminding me that the purpose of sex is male pleasure and entitlement!" one FAL member sarcastically exclaimed.
"and thighmaster thanks you right back, grrrl!"
ridetoofast said:
The connection between rape and pornography was also explored.
well...????
i'd like to know how the middle east does it so much better than us without wonton pr0n.
ridetoofast said:
Whitney Williams read quotes from pornography sites, one of which described giving women vodka and then having sex with them.

"What does it sound like? Rape!" she exclaimed.
wrong again, honey.
he bought the drink.
see the difference?
ridetoofast said:
A skit about a controversial Socratic Society meeting asserted that women who watch pornography are traitors to women.

"Women who use porn are being complicit in the oppression of women," one woman said. "They are legitimizing an industry that enslaves women and they are traitors to their gender."
howsa bout the women who star in and produce the films?
ridetoofast said:
"Women have to face threats from men everyday all their lives in subtle and obvious ways," Wolff said. "I hope men are confronted. That's what it's going to take. Events like this are the beginning of a women's revolution."
and a great place to meet chics who like it rough
ridetoofast said:
And this women's revolution, he argued, is not initiated by a sexist organization.
...she said to muffled laughter in the room
ridetoofast said:
"Sexism is a weapon against the chronically disempowered. Men are empowered by society and anyone who claims the FAL is sexist is missing the point."
what? that all men are rapists and should be hated just because they are men?
no, i didn't miss that point at all.


(any flames shoud be posted to Burly, not me)
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Damn True said:
The end result in all three cases is the same.
That's like saying a pre-meditated, cold-blooded murder is the same as murdering the guy you just caught sleeping with your wife, just because the end result is the same. Except in your examples, the end result isn't actually the same because there are different lasting psychological effects to the victim in each case.

So, uh, you couldn't be more wrong.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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What are these broads problems? They should just go back to failing at their diets and watching soap operas instead of getting on all this feminazi crap. They're probably just ugly and mad because the only guys they can get are middle-aged sheetmetal workers who smoke meth and make them cook a decent, hot meal once or twice a day. Serves em right I say.
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
4,015
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Between a rock and a hard place.
ohio said:
That's like saying a pre-meditated, cold-blooded murder is the same as murdering the guy you just caught sleeping with your wife, just because the end result is the same. Except in your examples, the end result isn't actually the same because there are different lasting psychological effects to the victim in each case.

So, uh, you couldn't be more wrong.

Are you honestly saying that there is a difference in an assault case?
If you were the victim would you see a difference?

The motivation for the crime should have nothing to do with the punishment. The offense is the same, regardless of why it was commited. Im not saying we need to relax the punishment on crime against women, but when the same crime is commited against someone of another group the punishment should be the same.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Damn True said:
The motivation for the crime should have nothing to do with the punishment.
Again, see murder in the 1st degree vs. murder in the 2nd degree. Or to really take your argument to the point of absurdity, vs. manslaughter. The result of all three crimes is the same. Should the punishment be the same?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Damn True said:
Are you honestly saying that there is a difference in an assault case?
To answer the first part, yes.

The solution would be to allow for psychological trauma to be accounted for by degrees of assault, which leaves open the possibility for straight men (for example) to be equally protected by the law. I would agree that this would make more sense than specifiying in advance that by definition "hate crimes" result in psychological trauma, but other assaults don't.

Of course that would require people like you accepting that there is more to assault than physical pain.
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
Read the whole post my man.

"Im not saying we need to relax the punishment on crime against women, but when the same crime is commited against someone of another group the punishment should be the same."
IMO many sentances are too lax against crimes.

As to your murder example. If it's your wife, she's dead regardless of the motivation. Should the punishment given to the person who killed her be different if he planned to kill her (murder 1) or if he killed her during the commision of a felony (murder 2)?
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
4,015
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Between a rock and a hard place.
ohio said:
Of course that would require people like you accepting that there is more to assault than physical pain.
While I agree that is true, how it effects protection of victims presents a bit of quandry.

If you steal $3000 from me the effect is much greater than if you steal $3000 from Donald Trump. Yet should the punishment be different?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Damn True said:
Should the punishment given to the person who killed her be different if he planned to kill her (murder 1) or if he killed her during the commision of a felony (murder 2)?
Uh, yes. It seems the courts and history agree with me on this one.

Again to take it to the extreme, what if he killed her accidentally?
 

schweino1

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Dec 6, 2004
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thats why i think should be based on the most simple and one of the first laws on earth:

AN EYE FOR AN EYE

it doesnt get mor fair than that.... that is justice in the raw...

thank you, thank you very much
 

schweino1

Monkey
Dec 6, 2004
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we humans added "context" to crime....

stealing is stealing, regardless of the ammount.... thats why they cut the hands of robbers in some countrys... a little "overkill" but im pretty shure they take some time before they robb again...
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
4,015
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Between a rock and a hard place.
ohio said:
Uh, yes. It seems the courts and history agree with me on this one.
Well I'm saying that should not be the case.
Again to take it to the extreme, what if he killed her accidentally?
Well clearly there is a difference here (an exception to every rule I s'pose) but I have never heard of an accidental assault.
 

webb

Chimp
Mar 13, 2005
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echo park
schweino1 said:
thats why i think should be based on the most simple and one of the first laws on earth:

AN EYE FOR AN EYE

it doesnt get mor fair than that....
classical greek civilization through out the babylonian penal system (eye for an eye) because it led to obscenely large levels of violence. they felt that institutionalized punishment needed to rise above the crime in order to set a precident for a more ethical society. you could make a case that this is true with the united states, the only country in the first world with the death penalty and several thousand more murders per capita than other first world nation.

I think that ohio has a really good point- there's a legal precident for motive factoring into case. the question then becomes should assault because you don't like someone be treated differently than assault because you don't like someone's gender/race, and that's a really difficult question to answer.

but to put a completely different slant on this thread, I can really see where these women are coming from (I'm a guy). have you guys seen a rape case? it's completely absurd what a typical defense puts the accuser through. standard procedure is to paint the woman as a slut to create a question about the consent of the situation. it's pretty horrible. I know girls who've gone through it, and pretty much every chick I've gotten to know well was molested or raped (I pretty much just assume at this point). the amount of rape in this country is ridiculously high and for a bunch of women to get together and vent, well, I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often.

as far as the porn stuff goes, you're retarded if you don't think that there aren't women doing it against their will (especially in japanese porn- its completely f-ed), but at the same time, that doesn't mean that the entire industry is wrong, just the guys who did the coercion.
 

webb

Chimp
Mar 13, 2005
53
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echo park
Damn True said:
Well clearly there is a difference here (an exception to every rule I s'pose) but I have never heard of an accidental assault.
accidental murder is refered to as "manslaughter." the penalties for this are significantly lighter than premeditated, intentional murder, which is "first degree murder."

accidental assault, though not an actual crime, is usual resolved in civil courts through a process called a "lawsuit." though these do not result in jail time, sometimes the fines can be very high.

high school drop out?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Damn True said:
I have never heard of an accidental assault.
In the case of murder it's called "manslaughter."

In the case of assault it's called "negligence."
 

$tinkle

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schweino1 said:
we humans added "context" to crime....

stealing is stealing, regardless of the ammount.... thats why they cut the hands of robbers in some countrys... a little "overkill" but im pretty shure they take some time before they robb again...
if what you believe is true, then why do we have the right to request a jury trial, with the sentencing phase (usually) heard by a judge? it's b/c the circumstances behind the crime, as well as weighing whether or not the accused is a recidivist.

simple example: stealing food b/c my family's hungry vs. waiting at the top of the lift at vail so i can steal your sweet rig. certainly you don't think those sentences for conviction should be equal, as both of those crimes have different degrees of severity.

this is about as liberal as i get (also anti-death penalty); moreover: rape conviction should result in at least chemical castration. it's not as severe as taking someone's hand for stealing, as they still need it to work. this would also prevent an unanticipated burden be placed on society for their action.
 

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ohio said:
In the case of murder it's called "manslaughter."

In the case of assault it's called "negligence."

I know the definition of the word manslaughter, thank you.

I hesitate to believe that anyone has ever "accidentilly" or through negligence kicked someones a$$?

"woops, I didn't intend to punch you in the mouth seventeen times."

get real

...are you saying that the current split between groups protection under the law is ok?
 

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webb said:
accidental murder is refered to as "manslaughter." the penalties for this are significantly lighter than premeditated, intentional murder, which is "first degree murder."

accidental assault, though not an actual crime, is usual resolved in civil courts through a process called a "lawsuit." though these do not result in jail time, sometimes the fines can be very high.

high school drop out?
Really now? Gee thanks Matlock.
Actually 1st degree murder is not limited to the usual "premeditated" as you are used to hearing in your legal education (most likely from watching Law & Order on TV). 1st degree also includes "felony murder" which by definition is a murder that takes place during the commision of a felony crime.
So if somone robs a bank and shoots a customer it is not premeditated since the perpitratior could not have known that Joe Schmoe would be in the bank at precisely the time he chose to rob it. But it's still 1st degree murder since the killing occured during the commision of a felony.

As for your assault definition....huh?
Nobody kicks another persons a$$ by mistake.

My point is, that in a case such as a simple assault the sentancing of the criminal is often predicated on the social group of the victim. Which in my opinion is wrong.
If I am guilty of assault against you or even of killing you the penalty should be the same regardless if you are male, female, gay, straight, black, white, asian, latino, short, tall, fat, thin, ugly or good looking. The crime that I have commited is the same, as should be the penalty.

Now, again. I'm not suggestion a reduction in the existing pentalties.

If you were to assault a white male who is straight, I'm saying the penalty against you should be just as harsh as if you had assaulted a Jewish Lesbian Black Woman.
 

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Damn True said:
If you were to assault a white male who is straight, I'm saying the penalty against you should be just as harsh as if you had assaulted a Jewish Lesbian Black Woman.
What's your problem with Jews, Lesbians and Blacks eh? What about Arabs, Asians and poor people you predjudiced bastard? :oink: